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Post by agog on Oct 26, 2017 23:50:53 GMT -5
Trump did not steal the election. Clinton got more votes, as did Al Gore, but that doesn't matter. Popular vote doesn't elect the President. The Electoral College elects the President. As I understand it each state gets X electoral votes based on their population. So the candidate with more popular votes in each state gets that state's electoral votes. So if you take all of the low electoral votes states you win the popular vote and lose the election. That's what happened to Clinton and thank Zeus it did. Each state gets a number of electors (electoral college members) equal to the number of people they send to Congress. Congress is the House of Representatives and The Senate, the USA's national legislature. Each state, regardless of wealth and population numbers, elects two Senators. There are fifty states, so there are one hundred senators. The Vice President of the U.S. is the President of the Senate. The V.P., in his constitutional role as President of the Senate, only votes in case of a tie. This has happened several times in the last twenty-five years. It's relatively rare but it does happen. The House of Representatives (the House) is apportioned by population numbers derived through a census compiled every ten years. The last time I saw the figures (and it's been a while) there was one Representative for every six hundred thousand Americans. ( That is an old and rough number.) The disparity between the popular vote and the Electoral College numbers arises when a state with a very small population such as North Dakota (our front line defense against Canadian invasion) which doesn't have the required six hundred thousand population to be apportioned even one Representative to the House gets a Representative anyway. Add the one representative and the two senators and the under six hundred thousand people of N. Dakota have three electors. In high population states; California, New York, Texas, Florida, Illinois, there are many congressional districts that have one representative for each six hundred thousand people so there are as many Electors as Congressional districts plus two for that state's Senators. The math works out such that each congressional district has one electoral vote (for the rep elected from that district) plus the fraction of two electoral votes for their two senators arrived at by dividing two by the number of districts. N. Dakota, less than six hundred thousand people control three full electoral votes. High population states, a full six hundred thousand people control one plus one fortieth (to put a random number on the districts in State X) of the two electoral votes for their two senators. If the national offices of the president and vice president (our only national offices) were filled by popular vote only, the winning candidates would only need to campaign in the top five to ten population centers. That would allow for a candidate and a party to ignore the concerns of vast swaths of the American people. Much has been made of the fact that in our last national election, the losing candidate had three million more popular votes than the winning candidate. To give some perspective, the losing candidate had a four million vote lead in California alone. That means if California is removed from the tally then the winning candidate had a million vote majority in the other forty-nine states. Just sayin'. |
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Post by gordy on Oct 27, 2017 0:39:33 GMT -5
The disparity between the popular vote and the Electoral College numbers arises when a state with a very small population such as North Dakota (our front line defense against Canadian invasion) which doesn't have the required six hundred thousand population to be apportioned even one Representative to the House gets a Representative anyway. Add the one representative and the two senators and the under six hundred thousand people of N. Dakota have three electors. There are a few significant problems to be overcome before having concern about a Canadian invasion via North Dakota:
1. The Canadian Armed Forces can only go active in a state of war if the Canadian War Measures Act is invoked and I'm not sure if it has been updated in both official languages which is a mandatory requirement.
2. Canada could only activate a volunteer from the RCMP Training School in Regina Saskatchewan providing that they are proficient at riding horses.
3. Currently all RCMP horses are engaged all summer long in the RCMP Musical Ride ( );
this means that the horses are only available for a winter operation
4. All of the RCMP horses are black and therefore unsuitable for hiding undetected in the snow;
5. Bottom line is that a volunteer with horse sense able to purchase his own white horse and train for winter ops is needed. RCMP budget does not provide for any other colour of horse than black.
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 27, 2017 9:14:14 GMT -5
Trump remains totally unqualified to be president and he stole the election from Hillary Clinton and the American people. Do Not Forget It! Ha Ha Ha !!!Total fake news , don't forget it , she gave it away |
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 27, 2017 9:17:16 GMT -5
tRump's America: "Immigration agents take 10-year-old girl with cerebral palsy into custody after emergency surgery" www.dailykos.com/stories/1710035Why is this buffoon still polluting the White House? This man was elected by the people and most false news of him is believed by haters , why are there still buffoons on Jackie forums ? |
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Post by gordy on Oct 27, 2017 17:47:36 GMT -5
tRump's America: "Immigration agents take 10-year-old girl with cerebral palsy into custody after emergency surgery" www.dailykos.com/stories/1710035Why is this buffoon still polluting the White House? This man was elected by the people and most false news of him is believed by haters , why are there still buffoons on Jackie forums ? You should edit your comment to read "This buffoon was elected by a minority of fools unable to distinguish truth from untruths of great magnitude." As to why are there still buffoons on Jackie forums it behoves you to look into a mirror and answer your own question. |
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Post by jrchico on Oct 28, 2017 1:22:01 GMT -5
Sorry to see that this thread has deteriorated from a political discussion thread to a hate and name calling thread where venting seems to be the only argument. Each of us has our own opinions on politics and they are just that, opinions. We can wait 7 years and by then we will have provable facts but right now everything is speculation. I could speculate that everyone who disagrees with me on politics, gun control and religion are all idiots but that would just be my view on life. I am sure that others feel the same way about their views also. I suggest that we table the name calling and speculation until we have some facts to work with.
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Post by gordy on Oct 28, 2017 8:04:54 GMT -5
If we waited until we have some facts before we speak then it would no longer be opinion.
OPINION DEFINITION: a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
However I can agree about a discussion deteriorating when name calling is introduced into a post to emphasize a difference of opinion. I don't necessarily agree that "hate" is associated with name calling it is just distasteful.
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Post by stephenswinkler on Oct 28, 2017 15:38:32 GMT -5
The Electoral College is a complete farce! For example, in 1892, former President Grover Cleveland received one electoral vote from the state of North Dakota. Cleveland received no popular votes from the state, because the Democratic Party was not on the ballot. Figure that one out.
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Post by agog on Oct 28, 2017 17:07:11 GMT -5
The Electoral College is a complete farce! For example, in 1892, former President Grover Cleveland received one electoral vote from the state of North Dakota. Cleveland received no popular votes from the state, because the Democratic Party was not on the ballot. Figure that one out. Dang Stephen, that's a heck of an argument against the electoral college system, very compelling. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 8:59:14 GMT -5
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 30, 2017 10:09:59 GMT -5
It is Trumps' FBI , they want to show nothing is wrong in the WH and they will show it openly , all this will pass as nothing burgers
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Post by stephenswinkler on Oct 30, 2017 15:32:20 GMT -5
The Brookings Institution found that President Trump committed several impeachable offenses. As soon as we get a Democratic Congress, he is out of there!
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Post by jrchico on Oct 30, 2017 15:47:51 GMT -5
The Brookings Institution found that President Trump committed several impeachable offenses. As soon as we get a Democratic Congress, he is out of there! What makes you think you will get a Democratic Congress? The Dems still haven't figured out how to do that.  |
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Post by stephenswinkler on Oct 30, 2017 16:07:34 GMT -5
The "tyranny of circumstances" will give us a Democratic Congress. What is that tyranny? Well, jrchico, The New York Times has just made a statement on the guilty plea of Trump adviser, George Papadopoulous: "The plea represents the most explicit evidence, that the Trump Campaign was aware, that the Russian Government was trying to help Mr. Trump and the campaign was eager to accept that help." Folks, this thing is not going to go away. It is just the beginning.
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Post by jrchico on Oct 30, 2017 16:13:22 GMT -5
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