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Post by Socal Fan on Jun 4, 2018 16:51:19 GMT -5
thinking people know it's just the first step in using incrementalism to subvert the 2nd amendment. Gun regulation is not prohibited by the 2nd amendment. No subversion is necessary. Your arguments add weight to the adage: Gun Control... more about control than it is about guns. Exactly. We need a lot more control over the crazies. That's why our gun death rates are far higher than other developed countries. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 20:53:15 GMT -5
Back in October of last year, when this thread was started, agog asked me if I thought humans would ever acquire self-control. He was replying to my declaration that no law can keep human beings from killing each other and that what is needed is self-control. I would now like to reply in this way: It is useful to observe that the killings we witness and endure are not only individual affairs, but collective ones. The wars perpetuated by governments kill far more people than any single maniac or otherwise sane person who gets carried away by his/her passions. As for 'crazy' people in particular, I am convinced that no gun regulation can stop such people from killing others. There is always a way to find a gun or some other deadly device, if a person wants one badly enough. So here is a suggestion: First, harden all targets that are presently soft. Then, identify and secure within mental institutions, all those who are deemed dangerous to themselves and others. For many years now, the mentally ill have been too often treated with no true caution and no real structure in which they can either get well or be kept away from the general public. Most are fed psychotropic drugs but do not have access to effective therapy. When off their drugs, things go wrong. Therapy, when effective, is often too expensive or not available at all. That means our priorities have to change. In conclusion, I believe that we live in a rather dysfunctional, ego-centric world, and that only an immense, world-wide crisis will turn the most hardened hearts, of both leaders and citizens of this world, toward sincere contrition. Every crisis offers an opportunity. Many will seize it. I pray this will be so.  |
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Post by agog on Jun 4, 2018 21:08:48 GMT -5
thinking people know it's just the first step in using incrementalism to subvert the 2nd amendment. Gun regulation is not prohibited by the 2nd amendment. No subversion is necessary. Your arguments add weight to the adage: Gun Control... more about control than it is about guns. Exactly. We need a lot more control over the crazies. That's why our gun death rates are far higher than other developed countries. While "crazies" are certainly responsible for some measure of firearm violence in America, Negroes are the main driver of our out sized shooting (most American police departments use the term shooting to label a person hit by a bullet but not killed) and homicide numbers. If they ever learn to shoot accurately the innocent kids standing next to the intended victim might be spared more often than not. After Negroes, Hispanics are the next highest ethnicity per capita inflicting firearm deaths and injuries. "Truth is beauty and beauty truth..." Keats. |
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Post by agog on Jun 4, 2018 21:20:09 GMT -5
In conclusion, I believe that we live in a rather dysfunctional, ego-centric world, and that only an immense, world-wide crisis will turn the most hardened hearts, of both leaders and citizens of this world, toward sincere contrition. Sounds like you've been reading the Bible, Ben. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 9:49:32 GMT -5
In conclusion, I believe that we live in a rather dysfunctional, ego-centric world, and that only an immense, world-wide crisis will turn the most hardened hearts, of both leaders and citizens of this world, toward sincere contrition. Sounds like you've been reading the Bible, Ben. Yes, and any other sacred literature I come across.  But, like many other fellow human beings, I speak from experience also; there's nothing like having a personal crisis your ego cannot solve on its own... That is when one either chooses to surrender to something greater than one's pride, or, chooses to take the road to a self-made hell. |
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Post by BOGC on Jun 20, 2018 23:22:25 GMT -5
thinking people know it's just the first step in using incrementalism to subvert the 2nd amendment. Gun regulation is not prohibited by the 2nd amendment. No subversion is necessary. Your arguments add weight to the adage: Gun Control... more about control than it is about guns. Exactly. We need a lot more control over the crazies. That's why our gun death rates are far higher than other developed countries. Psychos are a random threat; government capable of consistently stopping them before they act is a constant threat. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 17:39:28 GMT -5
All that might be important so some states, but....  |
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Post by agog on Jul 23, 2018 21:01:19 GMT -5
The only remedy for gun violence is self-control, folks. Hey Ben. I've been happy to note for some time now, that you understand the firearms issue. I would make one suggestion to you; don't use the enemy's terminology. There is no such thing as "gun violence." There is only human violence. The tools are inanimate, The agency is human, |
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Post by agog on Jul 24, 2018 12:24:30 GMT -5
Hey Ben. I've been happy to note for some time now, that you understand the firearms issue. I would make one suggestion to you; don't use the enemy's terminology. There is no such thing as "gun violence." There is only human violence. The tools are inanimate, The agency is human, Thanks. Nothing like making the 'enemy' feel at home.  Make that "violence as a result of using a gun." 
No need to put 'enemy' in quotes, Ben. People who would disarm this old vet, leaving me subject to the predation of criminals and mobs (swarms) of haters, ARE my enemy as much as the violent people themselves. It's no indication of advanced spirituality to deny evil or 'tut tut' the need for effective defense against those who would harm oneself or others. Evil ONLY comes from humans (or fallen angels and their progeny, but that's a different discussion for another time.) There are no evil animals in nature, even though horror writers anthropomorphize animals for a movie or novel. Make that "violence as a result of using a gun." Not so Ben. Violence does not follow from the presence of a firearm. Violence follows from the fallen nature of humans. A large subset of my enemies (again, those who would take an effective defensive tool from me) believe a firearm is a talisman, an inanimate object imbued with 'powers' to control people, that the mere possession of a firearm causes the possessor to commit evil acts. You know that is not so. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 11:35:56 GMT -5
An opinion appearing in the Washington Post: www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/im-a-sheriff-dont-flood-this-country-with-3d-printed-guns/2018/07/26/38d9a9b8-9052-11e8-b769-e3fff17f0689_story.html?utm_term=.ab0c2a40d3ecI'm a sheriff. Don't flood the country with 3D-printed guns.by Paul Penzone July 26, 2018 Editor’s note: The opinions in this article are the author’s, as published by our content partner, and do not necessarily represent the views of MSN or Microsoft.
Paul Penzone is the sheriff of Maricopa County, Ariz.
I am not fearful of firearms. I believe the Second Amendment was written with purpose and with sensitivity to generational circumstances. But what I am extremely concerned about is who has access to firearms and the devastation firearms are capable of in the wrong hands. Imagine a world in which anyone — including terrorists, convicted felons and domestic abusers — has immediate access to untraceable guns. Now imagine that many of these guns are made entirely of plastic or other materials not recognized by traditional metal detectors. This unmanageable scenario may soon become a reality. In fact, as soon as Aug. 1, anyone with an Internet connection and a 3D printer — readily available in stores and online — will be able to make an untraceable handgun, rifle or assault weapon with just a few clicks. This is because the State Department has decided to allow a private company to post gun blueprints online for anyone to access. This is a reckless and dangerous action that will enable the uncontrolled distribution of downloadable, do-it-yourself firearms. As sheriff of the fourth-largest and fastest-growing county in the nation, I know first-hand the threat such weapons pose to society. But it doesn’t require my 25 years of experience in law enforcement to know how dangerous firearms in the wrong hands can be. Downloadable guns undermine our federal and state gun-violence prevention laws, which help prevent people who pose a danger to themselves or others from accessing firearms. These laws are effective when law enforcement can conduct background checks and identify firearms through legally required serial numbers leading to a first point of purchase. The ability to circumvent lawful and reasonable processes for purchase will undermine the work of all law enforcement. Our ability to trace guns recovered at crime scenes is a critical step in catching criminals and getting killers off our streets. Untraceable firearms will ultimately cripple investigations and provoke further violence by criminals. Until recently, the State Department shared these concerns about the threat of downloadable, untraceable guns. For years, the agency had been fighting back a lawsuit from an online, open-source company that was forced by the department to pull down downloadable gun blueprints. That’s because the department considered the online posting of the technology a violation of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations. But the State Department reversed course a few months ago, unjustifiably and irresponsibly settling with the company and giving them a license to publish. And now, the company has scheduled to make its gun blueprints available online yet again on Aug. 1. On that date, drug cartels, arms traffickers and terrorists will be able to increase their revenue and the volume of weaponry at the expense of our safety through an untraceable and unlimited method of firearms manufacturing and distribution. Ultimately, it is uncontrolled, irresponsible and unconscionable. The State Department can stop this from happening by standing by its original decision to prevent digital, downloadable gun files from being posted online. This is absolutely a clear and present danger to public safety.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 11:44:02 GMT -5
Too late, Mr. Penzone. The cat is out of the bag.
One need not go on-line for downloadable gun files. The software is probably already available
to anyone who really wants it.
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Post by agog on Jul 26, 2018 13:06:14 GMT -5
I believe the Second Amendment was written with purpose and with sensitivity to generational circumstances. This sheriff is the Liberal who replaced "Americas Sheriff" Joe Arpaio. The sentence I chose to highlight from that article is Liberal double-speak for the 2nd amendment only applying to the time and the situation of the Colonies revolution from England. From this, the Libs, who are not noted for their ability to posit and follow an argument to a logical conclusion, extrapolate that the 2nd A restricts firearms ownership to members of the Militia. Some even go as far as saying the Second A is applicable only to muzzle loading muskets in use at the time of the authorship. One poster put forth that argument on this site. Lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 14:30:23 GMT -5
I believe the Second Amendment was written with purpose and with sensitivity to generational circumstances. This sheriff is the Liberal who replaced "Americas Sheriff" Joe Arpaio. The sentence I chose to highlight from that article is Liberal double-speak for the 2nd amendment only applying to the time and the situation of the Colonies revolution from England. From this, the Libs, who are not noted for their ability to posit and follow an argument to a logical conclusion, extrapolate that the 2nd A restricts firearms ownership to members of the Militia. Some even go as far as saying the Second A is applicable only to muzzle loading muskets in use at the time of the authorship. One poster put forth that argument on this site. Lol. Clarification: 'ben' did not state the above quote; it comes from the article. It is Sheriff Penzone's opinion. And, I agree with your opinion about the Second Amendment. Human beings who desire to keep their political freedom, and, who acknowledge the principle of self-defense, know the value of the Second Amendment in every generation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 14:44:10 GMT -5
By the way, I think Sheriff Penzone is afraid of firearms---the prevalence of them--- although he asserts that he is not.
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