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Post by Beachguy on Aug 24, 2019 16:20:57 GMT -5
Nice picture, but most adorable!? Not so sure about that. i am sure it does nothing to me eyes , a nothin burger imo , how in the hell is a girl saying " zip my dress please " do anything for a singer ? |
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Post by outlier on Aug 24, 2019 16:44:54 GMT -5
Exactly right. But Richard is blind to anything but popularity and is unable to entertain the thought that popularity and talent are not the same thing. The endless denigration of very talented but less popular entertainers gets irritating. Actually it is the other way around it is you and several others that have been claiming popularity is a sign of non talent. Emily Bear is very good but how would she actually do in a contest against the 100's of other prodigy piano players. I showed Simone Biles as one of Maddie's popular friends she is popular because she is talented and I would put her up against any gymnast Jackie's OTTs bring up that aren't popular. Many of Jackie's fans say she is the greatest of all times but they can not bring up one tangible thing to prove it. You need to learn to read, because I never said popularity is a sign of non talent. I said popularity and talent are not the same thing; talent does not guarantee popularity. I'll show you proof that JE is a great singer as soon as you show me proof that popularity is a good metric for talent. |
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Post by richard on Aug 24, 2019 16:59:07 GMT -5
Actually it is the other way around it is you and several others that have been claiming popularity is a sign of non talent. Emily Bear is very good but how would she actually do in a contest against the 100's of other prodigy piano players. I showed Simone Biles as one of Maddie's popular friends she is popular because she is talented and I would put her up against any gymnast Jackie's OTTs bring up that aren't popular. Many of Jackie's fans say she is the greatest of all times but they can not bring up one tangible thing to prove it. You need to learn to read, because I never said popularity is a sign of non talent. I said popularity and talent are not the same thing; talent does not guarantee popularity. I'll show you proof that JE is a great singer as soon as you show me proof that popularity is a good metric for talent. I already said Simone Biles is popular for only one reason and that is due to her talent. Jackie is not popular and she has never won a singing contest as much as her OTT fans try to lie about it. if she did then it was probably at the grade school level nothing that would nearly get televised.
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Post by julia on Aug 24, 2019 18:51:00 GMT -5
So long as Jackie is making money, so he doesn't have to, Daddy will not be crying. So are you saying julia that he won't be very hurt if his daughter becomes like a Hanna Montana into trasy trash ? , her money is her money if it's true what she said at 19 , she was the boss now , i have talked to him couple times and i think then he loved her very much and did not want men with sexual thoughts about her , i could be wrong of course .i respectfully disagree . I really don't want to explore Mike E.'s mind. I think it's a fruitless exercise. And I'm not sure why you think he would be "hurt", now that Jackie has obviously decided that minimal clothes will help her sell her act, as most young pop entertainers have. But where Jackie is going wrong with these WW II "pinup" pix is that it's such an ancient concept. These days show biz teens are not so awkward about it. Their street clothes can show as much flesh as that every day. |
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Post by outlier on Aug 24, 2019 19:06:01 GMT -5
You need to learn to read, because I never said popularity is a sign of non talent. I said popularity and talent are not the same thing; talent does not guarantee popularity. I'll show you proof that JE is a great singer as soon as you show me proof that popularity is a good metric for talent. I already have Simone Biles is popular for only one reason and that is due to her talent. Jackie is not popular and she has never won a singing contest as much as her OTT fans try to lie about it. if she did then it was probably at the grade school level nothing that would nearly get televised.
Show me proof that popularity is a good metric of talent. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Aug 24, 2019 19:32:50 GMT -5
Show me proof that popularity is a good metric of talent. In popular music, a metric for talent does not exist. So you are asking for something non-existent. In other areas (like sports or classical music), metrics for talent exist and there is a correlation between popularity and talent. People like Tom Brady, Rene Fleming, and Michael Phelps are popular in their respective fields and are also very talented. |
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Post by outlier on Aug 24, 2019 22:39:01 GMT -5
Show me proof that popularity is a good metric of talent. In popular music, a metric for talent does not exist. So you are asking for something non-existent. In other areas (like sports or classical music), metrics for talent exist and there is a correlation between popularity and talent. People like Tom Brady, Rene Fleming, and Michael Phelps are popular in their respective fields and are also very talented. Yes, in some fields a correlation exists, but that is a weak relationship. Some talented people are popular and some talented people are not. But you -cannot- conclude that someone is not talented, or even less talented, because they are less popular. And I agree that proof of popularity being a good metric for talent does not exist. But it is no less nonexistent than proof that a singer is the best, world class, or even very good, which is what I was asked to produce. So I'll produce my non-existent proof when Richard produces his. |
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Post by Pin the Tail on Aug 24, 2019 23:15:54 GMT -5
I'm taking bets as to whether Richard or outlier produces his non-existent proof first.
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Post by BOGC on Aug 24, 2019 23:30:59 GMT -5
Show me proof that popularity is a good metric of talent. In popular music, a metric for talent does not exist. So you are asking for something non-existent. In other areas (like sports or classical music), metrics for talent exist and there is a correlation between popularity and talent. People like Tom Brady, Rene Fleming, and Michael Phelps are popular in their respective fields and are also very talented. Some minimum (plus safety margin) of popularity is needed to pay the bills, in fields that depend ultimately on an audience. But it doesn't have to be at the level of stadiums and vast throngs for that. If you're impressing a lot of people, there's probably some pandering to the least common denominator involved. If you're not impressing anyone, you're living in your own little world, which is an unstable situation at best. Those are the extremes; but between them, there's plenty of room for alternatives that don't all seem alike. |
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Post by richard on Aug 24, 2019 23:49:02 GMT -5
I'm taking bets as to whether Richard or outlier produces his non-existent proof first. Like I said in Sports, Dancing and other areas where there is a system in place to score the results the most talented are usually the most popular. Gold medal winners are more popular than gymnast and swimmer and others that don't get the medals. Singing that doesn't seem to have a score card it is up in the air who is the best, in that case the public decides who they think is the best on personal preference. So why should such a small proportion of people that listen to Jackie and think she is so great have any more credence than those that listen to other artist. |
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Post by Pin the Tail on Aug 25, 2019 0:45:04 GMT -5
I believe we have a winner! Congratulations, Richard!
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Post by Disappointed on Aug 25, 2019 1:02:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure about popularity being a good metric of talent, but I do know what a good metric of stupidity is.
That being having a substantial mostly older and conservative fan base and then shoving your gay and transgender agenda down their throats and throwing them under the bus by saying you don't care about them and will replace them with gay and transgender fans. Then after losing a huge amount of your conservative minded fans and gaining only a few fans from the gay community, you throw them under the bus by agreeing to sing for an extreme right wing President at his inauguration when everyone else refused to, thereby throwing those newly acquired fans under the bus. But in the process, gaining some far right fans who are only your fans because you sang for their right wing hero when no one else would. Oh yeah, then you throw those newly acquired fans under the bus by announcing you would like to meet with that far right wing President to promote your gay and transgender agenda and get him to change the laws regarding it.
LOL! No screenwriter could make up anything that crazy. And people wonder why most of her fans left.
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Post by Pin the Tail on Aug 25, 2019 1:12:33 GMT -5
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Post by Pin the Tail on Aug 25, 2019 1:54:08 GMT -5
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Post by BOGC on Aug 25, 2019 1:54:47 GMT -5
I'm taking bets as to whether Richard or outlier produces his non-existent proof first. Like I said in Sports, Dancing and other areas where there is a system in place to score the results the most talented are usually the most popular. Gold medal winners are more popular than gymnast and swimmer and others that don't get the medals. Singing that doesn't seem to have a score card it is up in the air who is the best, in that case the public decides who they think is the best on personal preference. So why should such a small proportion of people that listen to Jackie and think she is so great have any more credence than those that listen to other artist. Because head-bangers and cRap listeners are a waste of ears, let alone voices or opinions...no matter how many of them there are. Because there are a lot of lemmings too, at least until a bunch of them commit the public service of drowning themselves. |
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