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Post by Beachguy on Aug 26, 2019 9:38:07 GMT -5
Thank you for the prompt attention to this matter. I hope you won't mind that if the offending party starts additional political threads on the Main board, I will again point them out. Yes thank you, keep up the good work, it is now your sole responsibility to monitor this site 24/7 for any treasonous out of thread political posts, oh the humanity. hahaha , yikes ! the non-members are running the show ...they , them , those ,  |
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Post by Marshall Dillon on Aug 26, 2019 9:46:27 GMT -5
i will watch out for any non members posting off topic posts by these trouble makers wearing masks , it is against the law .Members are a little show on the draw to notice things , perhaps they like to nap a lot
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Post by Beachguy on Aug 26, 2019 9:58:40 GMT -5
Jackie sure is posting more.
Wasn't she a CC singer at one time.
yes and a country , pop before CC in fact , here is like a Pittsburgh pirate testing the troubled waters of make believe pop singer to receives comments and feed back , it Elementary ...i kind of like over CC but CC is nice at times . |
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Post by Socal Fan on Aug 26, 2019 10:38:03 GMT -5
I happen to think that given her skill set and genre, she is exceeding my expectations and she is as successful as it is possible for her to be. She doesn't have the personality and songwriting for pop/rock/country, the height for modeling, the dancing/acting for Broadway or the personality for an internet celebrity. So she is suited only for CC and, given the limited popularity of the genre, is doing as well as a female American artist can do. Perhaps she thinks the same way I do and has decided to relax, take it easy and enjoy her success rather than work herself to death for little incremental return. She has an acting coach; she keeps working on her own on the writing (and has worked with others before and may again); and I do believe I saw a bit of dancing in an Instagram clip not long ago. Seems to me like she's working on ALL of those, but incrementally, in between other things rather than taking a few years off (and losing the market she has!) to study. Adult modeling may come last; as you noted she doesn't have the height...but if the other skills open additional opportunities, the visibility will improve and open that up too. Yes, she is "dabbling" in acting, dancing, pop, songwriting, and modeling. But at a relaxed pace and not at the expense of vacations, beach time and pool time. She is keeping her options open but not working herself to death. I think success in these endeavors is unlikely but, who knows, anything can happen. |
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Post by rickolsen on Aug 26, 2019 10:57:46 GMT -5
I happen to think that given her skill set and genre, she is exceeding my expectations and she is as successful as it is possible for her to be. She doesn't have the personality and songwriting for pop/rock/country, the height for modeling, the dancing/acting for Broadway or the personality for an internet celebrity. So she is suited only for CC and, given the limited popularity of the genre, is doing as well as a female American artist can do. Perhaps she thinks the same way I do and has decided to relax, take it easy and enjoy her success rather than work herself to death for little incremental return. She has an acting coach; she keeps working on her own on the writing (and has worked with others before and may again); and I do believe I saw a bit of dancing in an Instagram clip not long ago. Seems to me like she's working on ALL of those, but incrementally, in between other things rather than taking a few years off (and losing the market she has!) to study. Adult modeling may come last; as you noted she doesn't have the height...but if the other skills open additional opportunities, the visibility will improve and open that up too. What market? I doubt The Debut sold 5000 copies. It was a total failure and she is still singing songs from it. Sure she has some concerts coming up, but with the crappy Broadway songs and amatuer band she isn't going to impress anybody. She can't even fill a 147 seat bar/supper club. |
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Post by richard on Aug 26, 2019 11:26:02 GMT -5
She has an acting coach; she keeps working on her own on the writing (and has worked with others before and may again); and I do believe I saw a bit of dancing in an Instagram clip not long ago. Seems to me like she's working on ALL of those, but incrementally, in between other things rather than taking a few years off (and losing the market she has!) to study. Adult modeling may come last; as you noted she doesn't have the height...but if the other skills open additional opportunities, the visibility will improve and open that up too. Yes, she is "dabbling" in acting, dancing, pop, songwriting, and modeling. But at a relaxed pace and not at the expense of vacations, beach time and pool time. She is keeping her options open but not working herself to death. I think success in these endeavors is unlikely but, who knows, anything can happen. One week ago I mentioned both Jackie and Kenzie lost followers Jackie lost about 60 and Kenzie lost about 500 when they both started to show more sexy instagram pictures. Kenzie with all her vacation bikini photos. Since a week Jackie gained about 7 back she was over 72k and Kenzie gained about 34,000 new followers. Jackie isn't moving at all basically. I don't think any one will even look at her as having commercial value such as modeling, fashion, advertisement etc. until she gets at least 100k instagram followers and at that it would be very limited and small gigs. Yes the big money gigs care about popularity they could care less about talent.
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Post by amg1977 on Aug 26, 2019 12:48:22 GMT -5
What people don't get is that unless Jackie were committed to CC, the music would not be of the same quality as what they remember. At a young age, she was probably thrilled to have an audience for her singing and the material at that point did not matter so much as the adulation. As she has grown older and developed her own unique musical tastes, I think she has seen herself having outgrown the restrictions of the CC genre and desiring to move into another genre - namely some form of popular music. It should be pretty clear by now that her focus and attention has shifted away from CC into other directions.
Where I think she (and her parents and other amateurish advisors) made a huge mistake is in believing that since she was big in CC, she would be even bigger once she switched to a more popular genre. Unless you already have an audience among the new genre's fans (like the country Taylor Swift had with pop fans for her pop-country hits), that is not how it works. The CC audience is very small compared to the pop audience so there is little name recognition among the latter for even the biggest stars of the former. Furthermore, the CC fanbase is naturally sensitive to being abandoned and used as a stepping stone to pop stardom and is resistant to such changes. The result is you lose a large chunk of your old fans without immediately replacing them with new fans. All of this would have been very predictable to any professional management team.
In reality, Jackie was starting from the ground floor in the pop world without the benefit of the AGT exposure she had when she made her early CC albums. She also tried to make some sort of hybrid effort with pop and CC coexisting on albums - a strategy that was doomed to failure as it shows a lack of commitment to pop while at the same time sends the CC fans the clear message that she's outta there once she gets a pop audience. Of course, the pop audience never showed up and the CC audience started to abandon her.
So, should she return to CC as some have suggested? Only if she is excited about the prospect. I'm sure CC fans don't want insipid CC albums and CC concerts performed by someone who really does not want to be there and acts like she is doing them a favor by showing up and singing some numbers in a technically correct but passionless style. She should only return fully to CC if that is something she is enthusiastic about using as the focal point of her career. I sincerely doubt that to be the case and believe that a full return to CC would only lead to more of the complete indifference to her career, lack of discipline, and symptoms of mental imbalance that have been such a topic of discussion here.
However, if she goes pop, she needs to realize she is just someone with a great voice and little in the way of an audience. She will have to work harder than she ever has in her life and invest some of whatever money she has left after her daddy's well documented spending sprees in getting some people with experience launching a pop career. if she is comfortable with the people around her now, she does not necessarily have to fire them but they need to handle the day-to-day stuff while experienced management directs the overall strategy. She will also need to have someone with good experience with social media and websites do an overhaul of her efforts in these platforms.
I have seen some hopeful signs. She does seem to be more directly invested with social media than in the past. There is an effort being made that has not been the case in a long time. Her recent shows at 54 Below and her cover of Taylor Swift are pluses in my book. Sure, her gestures were awkward at times but she is new at this sort of stagecraft expression. Normally, this sort of thing happens at the start of someone's career - not after they have had success in another genre. The most important thing to me, though, is that in both the 54 below and in her T. Swift cover, I saw something I have not seen in a long time: Jackie enjoying herself while performing. I can't say what has happened between the talent shows and now to change her mental state but perhaps after the attempts at reigniting her career with AGT Champions and the Got Talent show in China did not pan out, she has decided to put the past behind her and do whatever sort of music she wants and let the chips fall. Emotionally, that can be an exhilarating experience as now the pressure of pretending to be something you are not is off and you have some control over your life and career back. If that is the case, she needs to keep in mind that this is going to be a long, bumpy road and there is no guarantees of reaching your desired destination.
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Post by Beachguy on Aug 26, 2019 13:31:23 GMT -5
Yikes !!! never heard of her , WOW !!!! WOW!! i mean *****WOW***** i mean stop it , this is crazy .
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Post by Beachguy on Aug 26, 2019 13:39:01 GMT -5
Has to be One of the most unchained people playing in one place indoors ...
**** CONGRATS ****
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Post by richard on Aug 26, 2019 13:49:14 GMT -5
amg1977: Good post I believe what you are saying, except I haven't seen the same signs you have that she is really changing that much. If she wanted to start over she would first make her own social media sites not have them controlled by Lisa. Who could any day flip out again and delete the whole thing. That should have happened years ago, the number of followers and subscribers are so low she should be able to make those numbers up shortly if she worked at it. Jackie could start by getting her some celebrity friends and work with them in NY.
Christina Turino would be excellent person to help Jackie with a younger base, she is already taking Jackie's pictures and doing her makeup and styling. She sure knew how to get her young daughter a large fan base.
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Post by richard on Aug 26, 2019 13:50:37 GMT -5
Good picture of Jackie but if she looses anymore weight she will need to make two steps before her shorts move. Just joking she looks both good and healthy.
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Post by Beachguy on Aug 26, 2019 13:51:49 GMT -5
Sorry people , i just don't keep up on talent shows , but what a Voice here , little older . I thought this by Patricia was good .
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Post by Beachguy on Aug 26, 2019 13:53:18 GMT -5
Good picture of Jackie but if she looses anymore weight she will need to make two steps before her shorts move. Just joking she looks both good and healthy.
http://instagr.am/p/B1oubHOhi3H no , they are oversize to be more sexy , might fall off  , what is hiding the face about ?? Miss Talbot receives about 12,000 likes of a Pic , Ps. yes i agree good picture indeed . |
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Post by Beachguy on Aug 26, 2019 14:06:33 GMT -5
Yes, she is "dabbling" in acting, dancing, pop, songwriting, and modeling. But at a relaxed pace and not at the expense of vacations, beach time and pool time. She is keeping her options open but not working herself to death. I think success in these endeavors is unlikely but, who knows, anything can happen. One week ago I mentioned both Jackie and Kenzie lost followers Jackie lost about 60 and Kenzie lost about 500 when they both started to show more sexy instagram pictures. Kenzie with all her vacation bikini photos. Since a week Jackie gained about 7 back she was over 72k and Kenzie gained about 34,000 new followers. Jackie isn't moving at all basically. I don't think any one will even look at her as having commercial value such as modeling, fashion, advertisement etc. until she gets at least 100k instagram followers and at that it would be very limited and small gigs. Yes the big money gigs care about popularity they could care less about talent.
Jackie may never cause the die is cast and the others are die free , Jackie has baggage she had/has to overcome and it won't be easy no matter what she does imo , people already have a thought/opinion/ after 10 years and it may never change .The bed is made if made by her or not it is the facts of life . |
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Post by richard on Aug 26, 2019 14:14:16 GMT -5
youtu.be/wnl-jEhnf6M Sorry people , i just don't keep up on talent shows , but what a Voice here , little older . I thought this by Patricia was good .
She has the same problem Jackie has, look at the age of her audience, now her videos are getting a fraction of the views that they got when she was younger. She is loosing the little girl with the big voice that made her popular 5 years ago.
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, what is hiding the face about ?? Miss Talbot receives about 12,000 likes of a Pic , Ps. yes i agree good picture indeed .