Corona

[Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist]

Some people here took the bait - hook, line and sinker

Liberal hero Dr. Deborah Birx: I knew shots would not prevent COVID infection


Duh!!!!!!!!!!!

Defenders of federal officials, including President Biden, who declared one year ago that people who received the COVID-19 vaccines would not contract the disease argue "the science" changes over time.



But the White House coronavirus response coordinator at the time the vaccines were developed and rolled out said in an interview Friday she wasn't surprised that people who were quadruple vaccinated, including Biden and Dr. Anthony Fauci, contracted the disease.



"I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection and I think we overplayed the vaccines," Birx told the Fox News Channel's Neil Cavuto.

www.wnd.com/2022/07/dr-deborah-birx-knew-shots-not-prevent-covid-infection/

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Jul 23, 2022 10:05:42 GMT -5 Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist said:

Some people here took the bait - hook, line and sinker

Liberal hero Dr. Deborah Birx: I knew shots would not prevent COVID infection


Duh!!!!!!!!!!!

Defenders of federal officials, including President Biden, who declared one year ago that people who received the COVID-19 vaccines would not contract the disease argue "the science" changes over time.



But the White House coronavirus response coordinator at the time the vaccines were developed and rolled out said in an interview Friday she wasn't surprised that people who were quadruple vaccinated, including Biden and Dr. Anthony Fauci, contracted the disease.



"I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection and I think we overplayed the vaccines," Birx told the Fox News Channel's Neil Cavuto.

www.wnd.com/2022/07/dr-deborah-birx-knew-shots-not-prevent-covid-infection/

The "science" changes over time argument is one that SoCalFan clings to as well. But liars such as Birx and Fauci have both admitted that they know the vaxx was unsafe and ineffective from the very beginning!

[Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist]

Some people love to be the guinea pigs

WHO Admits Everyone Who Receives a MonkeyPox Vaccine is Part of a “Clinical Trial” to Collect Data on its Effectiveness 

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Here are the 7 most epic mass media cover-ups since the Wuhan lab virus plandemic began


#1. The “vaccines” are not really vaccines, so the CDC had to change the definition



#2. Most of the people dying from Fauci Flu are “fully vaccinated” against it



#3. mRNA DOES change your DNA, tricking cells into producing unlimited toxic prions



#4. Masks do NOT work, but rather breed bacteria in the mouth, throat, and lungs



#5. PCR tests are mostly false positives used to spread virus mania and increase pharma profits



#6. Healthy athletes, pilots, celebrities, and military members are suffering myocarditis and deaths from the clot shots and the media NEVER mentions vaccine-induced injuries



#7. Spike proteins travel throughout the ENTIRE vascular system, invading organs and clogging vessels, not just remaining at the “site of injection”

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‘Safe And Effective’: Fully Vaxxed And Boosted Democrat Senator Joe Manchin Tests Positive For COVID

Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., tested positive for COVID on Monday, despite being “fully vaccinated and boosted.



“This morning I tested positive for COVID-19,” Manchin announced on Monday morning. “I am fully vaccinated and boosted and am experiencing symptoms. I will isolate and follow CDC guidelines as I continue to work remotely to serve West Virginians”

The shots have killed more people than any vaccine in history, according to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s Vaccine Adverse Events Report.


www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/safe-effective-fully-vaxxed-boosted-democrat-senator-joe-manchin-tests-positive-covid/

Remember when people here mocked me for warning them to stay away from the vaccine?

[BOGC]

Jul 23, 2022 10:05:42 GMT -5 undefined said:

Defenders of federal officials, including President Biden, who declared one year ago that people who received the COVID-19 vaccines would not contract the disease argue "the science" changes over time.

Science is science, and politics is politics.

However, the state of understanding DOES change, and the virus ALSO changes (mutates); a vaccine might do most of what it promised on the strain that it was targeted against, but against a different strain 18 months later, be far less effective. Vaccines that work against characteristics common across strains and do not need frequent updates are being researched, but it's a difficult problem that may take a few more years.

Admitting when they were wrong is science, which doesn't rule out CYA to cover for something insidious; but until you follow the money or power, slow learners is a simpler explanation than evil. Another explanation with minimum assumptions is that both politicians and companies tend to promise more than they deliver. Either of which is why I think conspiracy theories are better in fiction than to be actually believed, unless and until there is courtroom grade evidence. There's no shortage of things to blame the dangerously power-hungry or greedy or even naive/ignorant/incompetent for, without looking for more.

Also, the politicians don't really understand the details, and media sound bites (regardless of the politics of the particular outlet, although the more prevalent MSM bias is generally less honest and far less rigorous) often oversimplify to the point that much looks like stupidity or a lie.

I'm not getting #4 until an updated version is available for omicron BA.5 or whatever is current when they're ready to pick a new strain to target. Three shots didn't stop me from getting probably* omicron in January, although it was no worse than a head cold except for a week minus all smell and taste. Whether it was mild because of the vaccinations, or because viruses tend to be favored to mutate to be more contagious but less dangerous, is anyone's guess.

Flu shots are updated every year for the top two or three variants. Decades of them since I had to get them in the military long ago, have not caused me to grow extra parts or have parts fall off. :-) And they have been effective for me, and/or I've been careful enough. Since the odds of wiping COVID out are pretty much zero, I would expect that within a year or two there will be combined flu/COVID shots with both parts updated every year for the variants of greatest concern.

Political note: Greek letter xi was not used for a COVID variant "because it's a common surname", but speculatively also so as not to offend the ChiComs (although Xi's name is pronounced differently).

* as soon as I started to suspect that might not be a seasonal head cold, I just isolated for a couple of weeks; being retired, no biggie, although I was sick of drive-through rather than real restaurant food. Breaking isolation to get a test would have served little purpose. When I ended voluntary isolation, one of the things I got was a variety of essential oils; because a variety of stimulation is said to help speed restoring the sense of smell. Either it worked, or it would have taken care of itself regardless, although occasional readjustment for smells seldom encountered (sandalwood shaving cream stank until it smelled normal again later) took longer.

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Flip-Flopping Fascist Fear Fuhrer Fauci Admits He LIED Over and Over Again About Covid Natural Immunity

National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Dr. Anthony Fauci on Monday said health officials knew during the COVID-19 pandemic that contracting the disease ultimately offered a degree of natural immunity to it.



“We were always aware that if you get infected, you have a degree of protection against reinfection,” he told reporters, per the Epoch Times.



Critics of Fauci’s push for nationwide vaccinations long argued that natural immunity offered protection against the virus and thus individuals who contracted COVID-19 didn’t need to opt for one of the nation’s authorized vaccines.

www.theepochtimes.com/fauci-we-were-always-aware-of-natural-immunity_4621095.html

Throughout the course of the COVID-19 pandemic, Fauci and other federal health officials have favored COVID-19 vaccinations over natural immunity and have frequently urged Americans to get both vaccines and booster shots, while often suggesting that unvaccinated individuals were to blame for the continued spread of the virus.

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Jul 25, 2022 22:20:35 GMT -5 BOGC said:

Jul 23, 2022 10:05:42 GMT -5 undefined said:

Defenders of federal officials, including President Biden, who declared one year ago that people who received the COVID-19 vaccines would not contract the disease argue "the science" changes over time.

Science is science, and politics is politics.

However, the state of understanding DOES change, and the virus ALSO changes (mutates); a vaccine might do most of what it promised on the strain that it was targeted against, but against a different strain 18 months later, be far less effective. Vaccines that work against characteristics common across strains and do not need frequent updates are being researched, but it's a difficult problem that may take a few more years.

Admitting when they were wrong is science, which doesn't rule out CYA to cover for something insidious; but until you follow the money or power, slow learners is a simpler explanation than evil. Another explanation with minimum assumptions is that both politicians and companies tend to promise more than they deliver. Either of which is why I think conspiracy theories are better in fiction than to be actually believed, unless and until there is courtroom grade evidence. There's no shortage of things to blame the dangerously power-hungry or greedy or even naive/ignorant/incompetent for, without looking for more.

Also, the politicians don't really understand the details, and media sound bites (regardless of the politics of the particular outlet, although the more prevalent MSM bias is generally less honest and far less rigorous) often oversimplify to the point that much looks like stupidity or a lie.

I'm not getting #4 until an updated version is available for omicron BA.5 or whatever is current when they're ready to pick a new strain to target. Three shots didn't stop me from getting probably* omicron in January, although it was no worse than a head cold except for a week minus all smell and taste. Whether it was mild because of the vaccinations, or because viruses tend to be favored to mutate to be more contagious but less dangerous, is anyone's guess.

Flu shots are updated every year for the top two or three variants. Decades of them since I had to get them in the military long ago, have not caused me to grow extra parts or have parts fall off. :-) And they have been effective for me, and/or I've been careful enough. Since the odds of wiping COVID out are pretty much zero, I would expect that within a year or two there will be combined flu/COVID shots with both parts updated every year for the variants of greatest concern.

Political note: Greek letter xi was not used for a COVID variant "because it's a common surname", but speculatively also so as not to offend the ChiComs (although Xi's name is pronounced differently).

* as soon as I started to suspect that might not be a seasonal head cold, I just isolated for a couple of weeks; being retired, no biggie, although I was sick of drive-through rather than real restaurant food. Breaking isolation to get a test would have served little purpose. When I ended voluntary isolation, one of the things I got was a variety of essential oils; because a variety of stimulation is said to help speed restoring the sense of smell. Either it worked, or it would have taken care of itself regardless, although occasional readjustment for smells seldom encountered (sandalwood shaving cream stank until it smelled normal again later) took longer.

I wonder who undefined is...it must be a mystery poster full of conspiracies. Nevermind the studies from scientific and medicinal journals, not to mention statements from the CDC and reports from big pharma, outlining the dangers of the COVID vaccine. Those must be conspiracies, because labeling something a conspiracy is an easy out. Just ask the CIA. 

[BOGC]

The proboards software does not pick up the name of guest accounts when quoting - and I didn't remember to fix that manually in the quote. Is that a conspiracy too? :-)

Everything is dangerous sometime. Too much water will kill you. A bubble of pure air in your bloodstream will kill you. People are different, and what is harmless or even helpful to most will be dangerous to some. That's part of why the makers of Epipens could get away with raising the price to insane levels.

J&J/Janssen seems to have caused a small number of fatalities. The mRNA ones have caused some mostly temporary harm. Numbers are a few out of a million or less. Not all harm that happens after vaccination is CAUSED by the vaccine, so confirmed numbers are probably low, but worst case numbers are definitely high. Now maybe people that are young and healthy and low risk might be better off risking COVID than risking the vaccine* (that should be their choice, and anyone issuing mandates should be removed from office), but there are plenty for which the vaccine is the lower risk. For not just these but almost any vaccine, not counting the rare bad batch. And of course there are diseases that are MUCH more dangerous (but usually less contagious).

Get rid of tyrants, criminals, etc, but don't blame the harm they do on tools, whether the tools are guns or vaccines or something else. Most tools have right uses AND wrong uses.

* and some of this is a moving target. Early strains were more dangerous and somewhat less contagious; later strains are less dangerous and more contagious, which is what often happens. And we've learned some about treatment too and have a couple of useful antivirals (setting aside whether other things not approved were not approved because they were unsafe or ineffective, or for greed/kickbacks/politics/whatever; EVERYBODY carries a little evil in them, and too many don't keep it under strict control). So best practice at one time given the strain and state of knowledge is not the same as best practice later.

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It is a bit surprising that anyone would come near to any COVID vaxx considering that the great majority of medical and academic studies have shown that the vaxx is both unsafe and ineffective. The vaxx has led to an increase in blood clots and a host of other undesired effects such as myocarditis. In addition, the vaxx has affected women's fertility and menstrual cycles. 

Admissions by government officials such as Fauci and Birx have also proven that natural immunity is more effective than getting vaxxed. 

To each his own. I'll take my chances knowing that I have a 99.5% chance of survival even if I get COVID again. (although I've had it, so Fauci says I'm good) 

[BOGC]

Jul 26, 2022 13:10:09 GMT -5 Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist said:

It is a bit surprising that anyone would come near to any COVID vaxx considering that the great majority of medical and academic studies have shown that the vaxx is both unsafe and ineffective. The vaxx has led to an increase in blood clots and a host of other undesired effects such as myocarditis. In addition, the vaxx has affected women's fertility and menstrual cycles. 

Admissions by government officials such as Fauci and Birx have also proven that natural immunity is more effective than getting vaxxed. 

To each his own. I'll take my chances knowing that I have a 99.5% chance of survival even if I get COVID again. (although I've had it, so Fauci says I'm good) 

Fauci says a lot of things, and half of them turn out wrong later. Neither prior infection nor vax may do more than take the edge off the recent omicron variants, although they may not be nearly as bad as the alpha or delta anyway.

It's all more complicated than either advocates or alarmists think, or than most experts (even the real ones) can explain completely enough; and no expert knows everything. So yes, to each his own.

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Jul 31, 2022 16:57:41 GMT -5 Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist said:

Not to mention all of the people who lost their jobs because they refused, and rightly so, the jab.
It's not a pandemic of the unvaccinated, they knew it wouldn't prevent people from catching covid, and lied about it.
Hopefully everyone who lost their jobs will join forces and start a LARGE class action lawsuit.

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Study: COVID Lockdowns Did Not Stop Spread Of Virus

According to a new study, restaurant and business closures were not an effective way to stop the spread of COVID-19. The data, published in the peer-reviewed journal Scientific Reports, found these closures actually do not contribute to the suppression of the coronavirus.



Researchers in Japan conducted the study throughout the two years of lockdowns on the country, following a model where a large pool of subjects periodically answered surveys. According to data they compiled, the closure of restaurants and bars in the country did not lead to a notable decrease in symptoms among the Japanese people, except less cough among college graduates.



The study summarized that given the detrimental effects the COVID-19 lockdowns have had on people, alternative measures for full service restaurants and bars should be considered before they are closed completely. The findings come as human rights activists and some American scientists have argued mass lockdowns have harmed society more than they helped.


www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-16428-4.pdf

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Safe and um....effective?

COVID: German Health Minister Karl Lauterbach tests positive

German Health Minister Karl Lauterbach has tested positive for the coronavirus and is isolating at home.



"The minister is fine, he has only mild symptoms. He is temporarily conducting his official duties from home isolation," the German Health Ministry said.



Lauterbach, 59 and a Social Democrat member, has received four doses of the COVID vaccine. The ministry said this "shows that with the highly contagious omicron variant, infection cannot be completely ruled out, even with extreme caution."



www.dw.com/en/covid-german-health-minister-karl-lauterbach-tests-positive/a-62718262