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Post by BOGC on Apr 18, 2020 15:52:21 GMT -5
Adm. Rogers warned Trump (after the election). And even earlier, he reportedly got in the way of excessive unmasking. But he would NOT have taken sides beyond stopping the abuses he knew about and had some authority to act on. I was aware of him since he assumed his last military office, watched him be honest while walking a narrow line, and respect him very much; but the rest, you're imagining; even DIRNSA doesn't have near-magic powers, and there's lots of lines an officer can't cross (on the one hand, he can't speak against the President - not even Obama; on the other, he can't accept illegal orders, not that he would have been given them, since the bad guys aren't usually quite _that_ stupid).
I get that you may mean well, but please don't drag people I've seen, heard, and respect, further into your wild imaginings than the facts that even those without your imaginings would agree on.
Dramatic conspiracy theories are almost always BS; actual ones are boring, sometimes all the way through, sometimes at least until someone puts together some of the implications.
The closest thing I've ever heard of to folks planning to kill off most of the world, is that the former Soviets at certain times made a point of planning as if a nuclear war was winnable. But very few of even them wanted to put that to the test, thankfully.
Given long context with such behavior, I suspect that the PRC similarly thinks an unconventional war might be winnable - they could lose most of their own and still have plenty left. If their recent weaponization of not the virus itself but of their bungled release and coverup was an attempt, it was expensive, but not particularly effective. But I think they need to be made to understand that they'd better not try again.
If one wants to speak against threats, I think it better to pick real ones. Shadow threats, if they exist, can only be opposed either in the shadows, or with proof that would stand up in court...followed by a noose or other means of disposal. Otherwise, they're a distraction. And there's no shortage of real adversaries that like divisive distractions.
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Post by djt2020 on Apr 18, 2020 18:24:10 GMT -5
Adm. Rogers warned Trump (after the election). And even earlier, he reportedly got in the way of excessive unmasking. But he would NOT have taken sides beyond stopping the abuses he knew about and had some authority to act on. I was aware of him since he assumed his last military office, watched him be honest while walking a narrow line, and respect him very much; but the rest, you're imagining; even DIRNSA doesn't have near-magic powers, and there's lots of lines an officer can't cross (on the one hand, he can't speak against the President - not even Obama; on the other, he can't accept illegal orders, not that he would have been given them, since the bad guys aren't usually quite _that_ stupid). I get that you may mean well, but please don't drag people I've seen, heard, and respect, further into your wild imaginings than the facts that even those without your imaginings would agree on. Dramatic conspiracy theories are almost always BS; actual ones are boring, sometimes all the way through, sometimes at least until someone puts together some of the implications. The closest thing I've ever heard of to folks planning to kill off most of the world, is that the former Soviets at certain times made a point of planning as if a nuclear war was winnable. But very few of even them wanted to put that to the test, thankfully. Given long context with such behavior, I suspect that the PRC similarly thinks an unconventional war might be winnable - they could lose most of their own and still have plenty left. If their recent weaponization of not the virus itself but of their bungled release and coverup was an attempt, it was expensive, but not particularly effective. But I think they need to be made to understand that they'd better not try again. If one wants to speak against threats, I think it better to pick real ones. Shadow threats, if they exist, can only be opposed either in the shadows, or with proof that would stand up in court...followed by a noose or other means of disposal. Otherwise, they're a distraction. And there's no shortage of real adversaries that like divisive distractions. Now you are just being foolishly obstinate. Why didn't you know Trump Tower bugging was post-election, you being such a high level CIA operative, and all. Enough BS, many of those Military Generals would have gladly gone for a Military Coup, or even the assinations of the Treasonous Scums, if they had not been convinced by the others that it could NOT be done without costing TOO MANY innocent American lives. If being clueless, or pretending to be, is your choice, so be it. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 18, 2020 22:32:33 GMT -5
Adm. Rogers warned Trump (after the election). And even earlier, he reportedly got in the way of excessive unmasking. But he would NOT have taken sides beyond stopping the abuses he knew about and had some authority to act on. I was aware of him since he assumed his last military office, watched him be honest while walking a narrow line, and respect him very much; but the rest, you're imagining; even DIRNSA doesn't have near-magic powers, and there's lots of lines an officer can't cross (on the one hand, he can't speak against the President - not even Obama; on the other, he can't accept illegal orders, not that he would have been given them, since the bad guys aren't usually quite _that_ stupid). I get that you may mean well, but please don't drag people I've seen, heard, and respect, further into your wild imaginings than the facts that even those without your imaginings would agree on. Dramatic conspiracy theories are almost always BS; actual ones are boring, sometimes all the way through, sometimes at least until someone puts together some of the implications. The closest thing I've ever heard of to folks planning to kill off most of the world, is that the former Soviets at certain times made a point of planning as if a nuclear war was winnable. But very few of even them wanted to put that to the test, thankfully. Given long context with such behavior, I suspect that the PRC similarly thinks an unconventional war might be winnable - they could lose most of their own and still have plenty left. If their recent weaponization of not the virus itself but of their bungled release and coverup was an attempt, it was expensive, but not particularly effective. But I think they need to be made to understand that they'd better not try again. If one wants to speak against threats, I think it better to pick real ones. Shadow threats, if they exist, can only be opposed either in the shadows, or with proof that would stand up in court...followed by a noose or other means of disposal. Otherwise, they're a distraction. And there's no shortage of real adversaries that like divisive distractions. Now you are just being foolishly obstinate. Why didn't you know Trump Tower bugging was post-election, you being such a high level CIA operative, and all. Enough BS, many of those Military Generals would have gladly gone for a Military Coup, or even the assinations of the Treasonous Scums, if they had not been convinced by the others that it could NOT be done without costing TOO MANY innocent American lives. If being clueless, or pretending to be, is your choice, so be it. Not CIA, not an agent, definitely not high-level, just a computer programmer with decades old subject matter experience. Certain organizations don't do domestic (at least not legitimately), the FBI does, with support from those that don't, subject to considerable oversight by all three branches, although the FBI apparently did abuse that badly. Details about such arrangements and much more are only known to those that need to, and I didn't. Many things I knew more from the news than from other means...but I may know how to interpret the news differently, sometimes. I very much doubt that ANY general or admiral would have anything to do with a coup or with domestic assassinations, regardless of whether there were solid justifications for such things. Is there a contingency plan for what to do if some commie or hostile agent gets elected? I have no idea. I've read some of the fiction, and it seems unlikely. But that wouldn't be the way. Most likely there would be a briefing for various House and Senate committees and senior leadership in both, and shortly afterward a near unanimous impeachment and removal. You're wandering further and further into LaLa land, and clearly have no clue at all how things work. I seriously doubt you've ever been in the military, or anything other than your own imagination, over and above whatever mundane (nothing wrong with that, I've done mundane things too) thing you do to make food money. The usual suspects: the Trilateral Commission, the Club of Rome, the Council on Foreign Relations, and some others, are mostly TALK. I doubt they could rule anything, and I doubt very much that any of them or anything remotely similar has any interest in ruling a decimated world with just a billion or less slaves supporting the privileged few. I doubt that any transnational/non-national group either wants to do that (ok, some of the Muslim fanatics want something a bit like that, but they couldn't) or possibly could. I think there are a few thousand crazies that believe that sort of trash, and feed off of each other's fantasies, possibly abetted by those foreign nations that would be glad to see vigilance demeaned into craziness. Obama and Hillary were very bad, I agree; they were arrogant, careless, had no respect for the law, used and abused and neglected or ignored people they shouldn't have, some died as a result in Benghazi, etc. Were they part of what you imagine? I know of zero credible evidence for that - not that they weren't that evil and if everything they probably did went to court, they'd spend their days in small cells, assuming their days weren't shortened abruptly; but that that particular evil is unsupported, no matter how much wild stuff you can find online. I know of zero credible evidence that anyone except MAYBE the PRC might currently plan AND have any chance of doing anything remotely like that. I know that some people, more rich or connected or both than not, would like a MUCH smaller population, but I'm not aware that any have ever suggested or in any way pursued mass murder (not counting forced abortions in the PRC or DPRK) as the means. I think you're either nuts or one of Putin's or Xi's troll squad. I think you should get help. |
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Post by eulenspiegel on Apr 18, 2020 23:18:51 GMT -5
Compared to Trump, Pence, Cruz etc. Hillary Clinton and especially Barrack Obama are saints. There may be disagreement of political decisions..but even you BOGC cannot give one example of bad behaviour.... “had no respect for the law, used and abused and neglected or ignored people they shouldn't have“ Proof? Trump openly supported racists...lying is a habit of him...a totally narcistic person... I don‘t understand the double standard. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 19, 2020 1:16:48 GMT -5
Compared to Trump, Pence, Cruz etc. Hillary Clinton and especially Barrack Obama are saints. There may be disagreement of political decisions..but even you BOGC cannot give one example of bad behaviour.... “had no respect for the law, used and abused and neglected or ignored people they shouldn't have“ Proof? Trump openly supported racists...lying is a habit of him...a totally narcistic person... I don‘t understand the double standard. The whole FAKE Russia collusion investigation, with plenty of abuse of FISA by the FBI, started with Hillary and the DNC (which she rigged against Sanders before the primaries were over, not that Sanders is good either) and the fake Steele dossier...which actually originated with Russian supplied misinformation. Benghazi. All the people that happen to be inconvenient to Hillary that have died in "botched robberies", "suicide", etc. Uranium One. Pretty much everything she's done since at least the time Bill was governor of Arkansas. ALL left-wingers are either wrong, stupid, or just plain evil. Every last one of them. The ONLY legitimate political ideologies are conservative (ideally like the late great Barry Goldwater), libertarian (as in minimal government, although they're wrong about open borders and wrong about not wiping out dictators wherever we can), or a more simple just leave me alone. ANYONE that wants "free" stuff is a fool, because someone always pays. In the end, the little people always pay, because everyone that's not little people is shifting it to someone else. Corporate taxes? Price of product goes up. Sales taxes? Price of product goes up. Every tax makes the price of products go up. If you add them all together, even before income tax, it's huge. There should be NO Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, universal health care, food stamps, or housing assistance. Either people take care of their own needs, or voluntary private charity does, or the losers do without and suffer whatever results from that. Just shoot them if they riot, and bury them in mass graves. Trump has had bad personal conduct in the past (before being elected). His mouth gets ahead of his brain sometimes. But he's neither a racist nor a LGBTQ-phobe, and his policies are far better than any EVIL left-wingers, even if they fall short of abolishing all the garbage programs (which the President can't do anyway without Congress) and fall short of nuking every dictator in the universe (which unfortunately isn't practical). Yes, I'm not even-handed. The left is the enemy of liberty, and thereby of every sane human being. And the crazies that would give up liberty for "free" stuff deserve whatever happens to them. And the commies and near-commies should be exterminated to the very last, whenever the opportunity presents. Collectivism is a crime against not humanity (which doesn't exist), but every human being. |
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Post by Kanye East on Apr 19, 2020 2:04:35 GMT -5
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Post by Kanye East on Apr 19, 2020 2:06:33 GMT -5
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Post by djt2020 on Apr 19, 2020 7:32:23 GMT -5
Now you are just being foolishly obstinate. Why didn't you know Trump Tower bugging was post-election, you being such a high level CIA operative, and all. Enough BS, many of those Military Generals would have gladly gone for a Military Coup, or even the assinations of the Treasonous Scums, if they had not been convinced by the others that it could NOT be done without costing TOO MANY innocent American lives. If being clueless, or pretending to be, is your choice, so be it. Not CIA, not an agent, definitely not high-level, just a computer programmer with decades old subject matter experience. As stated in my last reply, if being clueless, or pretending to be, is your choice, so be it. To be clear, this will be my LAST reply to BS responses from you that claim you don't believe ANY Military Officer would EVER consider action against a government offical, not even an illegitimate President who's sole agenda was the DESTRUCTION of America, who funded Terrorist here and around the World, who with Hillary sent Ambassador Stevens into a DEATH TRAP to be murdered before he could testify to congress about Obama's and Hillary's Arms Deals with Terrorist, who gave Muslim Brotherhood Members Top Secret Clearances, and places them in the most secured areas of our government, allowing them access to our MOST vital National secrets, including secret miliary information, and the REASON Obama postponed his planned Seal Team mission to Yemen from EARLY January 2017, to JANUARY 27, 2017 ONE WEEK after President Trump took office, that enabled the Muslim Brotherhood SPIES Obama planted to informed Al Qaeda about the upcoming Seal Team Mission to Yemen to have President Trump's Presidency start with a black mark, Obama could not care less about what would happen to our brave Patriots that were conducting that American Operation(thanks to the skills of our brave men, their loses were limited to one KIA) the list of Obama's TREASONOUS ACTS against America is MUCH to long for me to list here, and I am sure there are many I am unaware of. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 19, 2020 8:47:27 GMT -5
I've never used it seriously, I think I've used it just for myself a couple of times; but it's crazy verbose, and I find it quite annoying. I've used C and PL/I and a bit of Fortran, and various others both usual and unusual too, but it would take awhile for me to get up to speed on COBOL. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 19, 2020 8:59:40 GMT -5
Not CIA, not an agent, definitely not high-level, just a computer programmer with decades old subject matter experience. As stated in my last reply, if being clueless, or pretending to be, is your choice, so be it. To be clear, this will be my LAST reply to BS responses from you that claim you don't believe ANY Military Officer would EVER consider action against a government offical, not even an illegitimate President who's sole agenda was the DESTRUCTION of America, who funded Terrorist here and around the World, who with Hillary sent Ambassador Stevens into a DEATH TRAP to be murdered before he could testify to congress about Obama's and Hillary's Arms Deals with Terrorist, who gave Muslim Brotherhood Members Top Secret Clearances, and places them in the most secured areas of our government, allowing them access to our MOST vital National secrets, including secret miliary information, and the REASON Obama postponed his planned Seal Team mission to Yemen from EARLY January 2017, to JANUARY 27, 2017 ONE WEEK after President Trump took office, that enabled the Muslim Brotherhood SPIES Obama planted to informed Al Qaeda about the upcoming Seal Team Mission to Yemen to have President Trump's Presidency start with a black mark, Obama could not care less about what would happen to our brave Patriots that were conducting that American Operation(thanks to the skills of our brave men, their loses were limited to one KIA) the list of Obama's TREASONOUS ACTS against America is MUCH to long for me to list here, and I am sure there are many I am unaware of. That's good, because you're way off. Not on how evil Obama was, but domestic coups or assassinations are NEVER THE ANSWER, not unless both the President and a supermajority of both houses of Congress go over to the enemy...and that would be the time for a 2nd revolution...although that's still risky, because most revolutions make things worse. Otherwise, there's always a legal way of dealing with domestic enemies, no matter what position they occupy. (I have no problem with any means of removing foreign dictators or their top supporters, but that's frequently risky too, because whoever takes their place or fills the power vacuum might be worse.) edit: be glad nobody took out Obama. Whatever reasons they might have had, it would have set off riots like nothing seen before. Maybe not if the assassin was black and admitted it quickly, but otherwise, for sure. There are so many blacks that would have assumed that it was about Obama being black, not about anything else. edit 2: and look at the history of assassinations and attempts. Not one of them would have been for the best. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots |
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Post by djt2020 on Apr 19, 2020 10:06:28 GMT -5
OMG How Childish can you get !
Your stated UNLESS was if not the EXACT situation, it was as near as could be without being so !
And the Patriots who saved America, and the World in doing so, knowing that a Coup was not the best option of the two available to them took the second option.
EDIT: The Globalists Obama and Clintons, and others have done well KILLING those they felt threaten by, or who were just in their way. The Clintons have been murdering people since their earliest drug dealing days.
Back when Comey was the bank's bagman handling the Clinton's drug money.
EDIT 2: And it looks like you are forgeting JFK and RFK. The V.P. and Bush didn't have much of a problem.
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Post by BOGC on Apr 19, 2020 10:29:06 GMT -5
OMG How Childish can you get ! Your stated UNLESS was if not the EXACT situation, it was as near as could be without being so ! And the Patriots who saved America, and the World in doing so, knowing that a Coup was not the best option of the two available to them took the second option. EDIT: The Globalists Obama and Clintons, and others have done well KILLING those they felt threaten by, or who were just in their way. The Clintons have been murdering people since their earliest drug dealing days. Back when Comey was the bank's bagman handling the Clinton's drug money. You're almost getting it now. You don't go there unless it's not just near but over the edge, AND there's not a better way. |
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Post by djt2020 on Apr 19, 2020 11:56:45 GMT -5
OMG How Childish can you get ! Your stated UNLESS was if not the EXACT situation, it was as near as could be without being so ! And the Patriots who saved America, and the World in doing so, knowing that a Coup was not the best option of the two available to them took the second option. EDIT: The Globalists Obama and Clintons, and others have done well KILLING those they felt threaten by, or who were just in their way. The Clintons have been murdering people since their earliest drug dealing days. Back when Comey was the bank's bagman handling the Clinton's drug money. You're almost getting it now. You don't go there unless it's not just near but over the edge, AND there's not a better way. I got it as it was happening in real time. And I noticed you pretended not to see my EDIT and EDIT 2, copied and pasted below. EDIT: The Globalists Obama and Clintons, and others have done well KILLING those they felt threaten by, or who were just in their way. The Clintons have been murdering people since their earliest drug dealing days. Back when Comey was the bank's bagman handling the Clinton's drug money. EDIT 2: And it looks like you are forgeting JFK and RFK. The V.P. and Bush didn't have much of a problem. But for you, Assassinations and Murders are only a problem for those who have JUST CAUSE to use them. And are fine for those who commit them for EVIL. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 20, 2020 3:25:37 GMT -5
You're almost getting it now. You don't go there unless it's not just near but over the edge, AND there's not a better way. I got it as it was happening in real time. And I noticed you pretended not to see my EDIT and EDIT 2, copied and pasted below. EDIT: The Globalists Obama and Clintons, and others have done well KILLING those they felt threaten by, or who were just in their way. The Clintons have been murdering people since their earliest drug dealing days. Back when Comey was the bank's bagman handling the Clinton's drug money. EDIT 2: And it looks like you are forgeting JFK and RFK. The V.P. and Bush didn't have much of a problem. But for you, Assassinations and Murders are only a problem for those who have JUST CAUSE to use them. And are fine for those who commit them for EVIL. Those who easily do evil, don't worry about limits. Those who claim not to be evil, have a higher standard, or they're not really any different. Yes, the good guys play with one hand tied behind their back much of the time. Always been that way. OTOH, our laws are for us, and the high standard is necessary so that it's about the rule of law rather than which bunch of self-serving politicrooks gets to take out the other; but elsewhere, we can apply a slightly lower standard to taking out the trash. The Kennedy males were dirtbags that lived down to the standard of crooked old Joe in many ways, not that the two that went first didn't try to do a bit better than that (Teddy being the worst, he let his inconvenient mistress drown). But I remember very well that even those who didn't like them, were sad about their fates, at least JFK and RFK. JFK was the only time I recall then-independent station KPHO channel 5 in Phoenix breaking into regular programming with news (they didn't for Mercury launches). I was quite young when both happened, family were conservatives, but everyone was appalled and sad. At least both were regarded as keeping tensions down. |
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Post by djt2020 on Apr 20, 2020 6:50:56 GMT -5
I got it as it was happening in real time. And I noticed you pretended not to see my EDIT and EDIT 2, copied and pasted below. EDIT: The Globalists Obama and Clintons, and others have done well KILLING those they felt threaten by, or who were just in their way. The Clintons have been murdering people since their earliest drug dealing days. Back when Comey was the bank's bagman handling the Clinton's drug money. EDIT 2: And it looks like you are forgeting JFK and RFK. The V.P. and Bush didn't have much of a problem. But for you, Assassinations and Murders are only a problem for those who have JUST CAUSE to use them. And are fine for those who commit them for EVIL. The Kennedy males were dirtbags that lived down to the standard of crooked old Joe in many ways, You have revealed yourself to be a hopeless windbag denialist. Thanks for showing me you are not worth another moment of my time. |
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