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Post by donkey on Aug 9, 2024 14:46:31 GMT -5
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Post by colt46 on Aug 9, 2024 14:55:25 GMT -5
Harris has to have professional entertainment to get a crowd to show up to her rallies!
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Post by Leftwing Conspiracy Theorist on Aug 9, 2024 15:49:53 GMT -5
Harris didn’t earn anything period I agree 100%. Elections are not "earned". They are won or lost. Harris won the election for the Democratic presidential nomination.
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Post by Leftwing Conspiracy Theorist on Aug 9, 2024 15:56:03 GMT -5
Don’t go around and call people stupid! So what should be call people who don't believe that Harris won the Democratic Presidential nomination?
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Post by 1 Guest on Aug 9, 2024 16:36:41 GMT -5
Don’t go around and call people stupid! So what should be call people who don't believe that Harris won the Democratic Presidential nomination? Since she didn't run in the primaries, Absolutely Correct.
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Post by colt46 on Aug 9, 2024 17:03:31 GMT -5
Harris did not go to any state and didn’t win any votes in democrat primaries! She was just handed Joe Biden’s delegates that he won in those primaries! Not a good look In my opinion!
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Aug 9, 2024 17:04:47 GMT -5
The only people who are incredibly obtuse, unknowledgeable, and unqualified are the ones who think the primary voters directly elect the Democratic or Republican nominee. All nominees "earned" their nominations by winning the delegate votes. Primary voters voted for Biden. Biden had no intention of dropping out. He was simply forced out and replaced by donors and party elders because they didn't like his poll numbers after their conspiracy to hide Biden's dementia from the American people failed after the first debate. Not a good look for democracy, no matter which way you look at it. However, I'm not complaining in terms of the result. I literally can't think of a worse candidate for the dems than Harris. lol Neither party provides a pure democratic process in the election cycles. I found this out first hand while participating in Ron Paul's run in 2012. The bottom line is that, in the end, vote totals in most cases don't matter because the party leaders are going to determine the candidate, hell or high water. This is what happened when the Democrats shut out Bernie and installed Hillary in 2016 and what happened when the Dems staged a coup on Biden and promoted Kamala as the nominee. Voters in the Democratic primaries voted for Joe Biden as the presidential candidate, while simultaneously voting for Kamala as a candidate for VP. Biden voters would have chosen him regardless of who the VP nominee was. Biden had the most votes in the primaries for the position of president and was awarded delegates based on the ballot count. Kamala received no direct votes to be the presidential candidate, but her name was on the ballot as the Biden/Harris ticket. Kamala was along for the ride at that point and Biden's position was secure. Just a few weeks ago, the MSM was pouncing on anyone who questioned Biden's mental capacity for office, while many talking heads in the media were concerned that since Harris is the most unpopular vice-president in history and is mostly known as a dingbat, she might need to be replaced at the convention. However, after the debate, the Dems woke up and saw the pathetic performance of their candidate, saw the polls, and decided that action needed to be taken to maintain executive level power. This is when the Dem leaders staged a coup, forcing Biden to drop out of the race, leaving his delegates free to vote for whoever they wanted. All of a sudden the MSM flipflopped and began to raise questions regarding Biden's mental fitness not only in the general election, but as president. Harris was and is now heralded as a genius leader who can bring the Dems back to the promised land. Kamala was the direct beneficiary of the coup because as mentioned in a previous post, Donna Brazille and her comrades worked the system so that if the presidential candidate dropped from the race, "much of the process already in place made the path of any potential challenger to Harris improbable. Candidates would have just three days to throw their hat into the ring, and then another three days to secure the necessary signatures to be eligible for the nomination." 19thnews.org/2024/08/errin-haines-the-amendment-how-kamala-harris-earned-the-nomination/ The nomination was handed to Kamala because no potential candidate could surpass the 3/3 day threshold. Republicans are bright enough to see a coup when it takes place in front of their eyes. Dems did not break their own rules in selecting Harris, but she sure wasn't elected
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Aug 9, 2024 17:08:10 GMT -5
So what should be call people who don't believe that Harris won the Democratic Presidential nomination? Since she didn't run in the primaries, Absolutely Correct. Harris won the Democratic Presidential nomination through shenanigans that are commonplace in both parties. She was gifted Biden's delegates, who in turn, voted for her. No citizen voted directly for Harris to serve as president.
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Post by Leftwing Conspiracy Theorist on Aug 9, 2024 17:14:14 GMT -5
Biden had no intention of dropping out. He was simply forced out and replaced by donors and party elders because they didn't like his poll numbers after their conspiracy to hide Biden's dementia from the American people failed after the first debate. Not a good look for democracy, no matter which way you look at it.Let me understand what you are saying. Poll after poll said that voters (both Democratic and non-Democratic) thought Biden was too old (many thought the same for Trump). So donors and party elders bowed down to the will of the people and persuaded Biden to step down from the nomination. After Harris was nominated, public approval and donations soared to dizzying heights. Somehow, you Trumpists are trying to spin the extraordinary efforts of the Democratic party to serve the will of the people as being "undemocratic". Even though the vast majority of Democrats are delighted with the changes that were made. A perfect example of how Harris has so terrorized the hearts and minds of Trumpists that they can no longer react rationally.
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Post by donkey on Aug 9, 2024 17:35:47 GMT -5
Biden had no intention of dropping out. He was simply forced out and replaced by donors and party elders because they didn't like his poll numbers after their conspiracy to hide Biden's dementia from the American people failed after the first debate. Not a good look for democracy, no matter which way you look at it.Let me understand what you are saying. Poll after poll said that voters (both Democratic and non-Democratic) thought Biden was too old (many thought the same for Trump). So donors and party elders bowed down to the will of the people and persuaded Biden to step down from the nomination. After Harris was nominated, public approval and donations soared to dizzying heights. Somehow, you Trumpists are trying to spin the extraordinary efforts of the Democratic party to serve the will of the people as being "undemocratic". Even though the vast majority of Democrats are delighted with the changes that were made. A perfect example of how Harris has so terrorized the hearts and minds of Trumpists that they can no longer react rationally. No...you are just trying to rationalize it. Biden didnt just suddenly become old after he won the delegates in the primaries. He's been in bad mental shape for a long time. The democrat voters voted for Biden....he was still old when they did that. The only reason the party elite and donors nullified the voters choice when they did wasnt because they thought he was too old or too dementia ridden (they were happy to just keep him installed as their puppet, nothing more than a figurehead), they did it because they had been trying to fool the American voters into thinking he was just fine, and were fully outted when everyone saw Biden's performance in the debate. Anti-Democratic Fascist Democrat Party of America crimes against democracy: 1. Trying to hide from American voters Biden's mental state so that he could win and continue to be a puppet president - that was a cover up 2. Once everyone knew how bad off Biden was after the debate and his poll numbers dropped even further (he was already behind), Biden was pushed out of the nominee slot, TOTALLY against his will (he fought it until the end), and a new nominee was installed (fortunately for Trump she sucks- lol). When you have a heavy weight fight, you don't just get to pull your fighter in mid-fight because he's losing the fight and insert a new fighter to continue the fight in his place. In politics, you dont get to pull your elected nominee because he's losing in the polls after the primaries are over. lol That's not how it works. 3. Trying to jail, bankrupt, politically damage the leading presidential political opposition right before an election, good old fashioned banana republic fascist style 4. Trying to remove the political opposition from the ballot, again, banana republic stuff 5. During Trump's first term, attempted a fake, failed 2.5 year Russia collusion coup attempt against a sitting president 6. Opening the southern border to let in well over 10 million illegals, then pushing to give them voting rights to help in sure your party never loses power again Today's democrat party is the exact opposite of democratic...they hate Trump so much, and want to retain power so badly, that they have been willing to lie, cheat, steal, and turn to fascist tactics in order to try and keep him from winning back the White House. Fortunately, Trump is a force of nature and they have failed at every turn..in fact, the legal persecution has only made him more popular as real Americans don't care for fascism. We know you libs hate Trump, but that doesnt justify fascist tactics...even though you try to talk yourselves into believing that Trump is so evil that the end justifies the means. It doesn't...at all...on any level.
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Post by 1 Guest on Aug 9, 2024 17:38:37 GMT -5
Biden had no intention of dropping out. He was simply forced out and replaced by donors and party elders because they didn't like his poll numbers after their conspiracy to hide Biden's dementia from the American people failed after the first debate. Not a good look for democracy, no matter which way you look at it.Let me understand what you are saying. Poll after poll said that voters (both Democratic and non-Democratic) thought Biden was too old (many thought the same for Trump). So donors and party elders bowed down to the will of the people and persuaded Biden to step down from the nomination. After Harris was nominated, public approval and donations soared to dizzying heights. Somehow, you Trumpists are trying to spin the extraordinary efforts of the Democratic party to serve the will of the people as being "undemocratic". Even though the vast majority of Democrats are delighted with the changes that were made. A perfect example of how Harris has so terrorized the hearts and minds of Trumpists that they can no longer react rationally. The will of the people had absolutely nothing to do with it, the people voted for and nominated Biden, that's who they chose, that was the will of the people. The fact that the party knew that Biden didn't have a chance of winning had everything to do with it. They didn't want to lose! And they knew he was going to lose! So they appointed a new candidate. And that was "undemocratic" no matter how you try to spin it. You can spin until you screw yourself into the floor but it won't change the facts. Harris did not run for president. She did not do a presidential debate. She did not tell the public what her policies will be (still hasn't). She did not get any votes to be a presidential candidate. Maybe now you understand. As far as I know, this is the first time in history that Presidential Candidate, who was voted for by the people, was tossed aside because he was losing. Correct me if I'm wrong about that.
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Aug 9, 2024 17:53:24 GMT -5
Biden had no intention of dropping out. He was simply forced out and replaced by donors and party elders because they didn't like his poll numbers after their conspiracy to hide Biden's dementia from the American people failed after the first debate. Not a good look for democracy, no matter which way you look at it.Let me understand what you are saying. Poll after poll said that voters (both Democratic and non-Democratic) thought Biden was too old (many thought the same for Trump). So donors and party elders bowed down to the will of the people and persuaded Biden to step down from the nomination. After Harris was nominated, public approval and donations soared to dizzying heights. Somehow, you Trumpists are trying to spin the extraordinary efforts of the Democratic party to serve the will of the people as being "undemocratic". Even though the vast majority of Democrats are delighted with the changes that were made. A perfect example of how Harris has so terrorized the hearts and minds of Trumpists that they can no longer react rationally. Elections are not determined by polls. It doesn't matter that polls showed the citizenry was concerned about Biden's age and mental fitness, he received the required number of votes in the primaries (the formal process where candidates are chosen). Similarly, regardless that polls show that Democrats are ecstatic about their new and shiny candidate, Harris received a total of zero votes from actual citizens (the formal process), and was handed Biden's delegates. She did not earn those delegates, they were given to her. Democrats can get off their high horse about preserving democracy, because the opposite of democracy was used in the Harris' selection
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Post by donkey on Aug 9, 2024 18:02:33 GMT -5
Let me understand what you are saying. Poll after poll said that voters (both Democratic and non-Democratic) thought Biden was too old (many thought the same for Trump). So donors and party elders bowed down to the will of the people and persuaded Biden to step down from the nomination. After Harris was nominated, public approval and donations soared to dizzying heights. Somehow, you Trumpists are trying to spin the extraordinary efforts of the Democratic party to serve the will of the people as being "undemocratic". Even though the vast majority of Democrats are delighted with the changes that were made. A perfect example of how Harris has so terrorized the hearts and minds of Trumpists that they can no longer react rationally. Elections are not determined by polls. It doesn't matter that polls showed the citizenry was concerned about Biden's age and mental fitness, he received the required number of votes in the primaries (the formal process where candidates are chosen). Similarly, regardless that polls show that Democrats are ecstatic about their new and shiny candidate, Harris received a total of zero votes from actual citizens (the formal process), and was handed Biden's delegates. She did not earn those delegates, they were given to her. Democrats can get off their high horse about preserving democracy, because the opposite of democracy was used in the Harris' selection And make no mistake, few are thrilled with Kamala...remember, she is the most unpopular vp in history. The relief they feel is from being rid of an almost certain loss after Biden's polls tanked after the debate. The thrill is already starting to wear off though, as dems remember how horrible Harris is and as they come to realize they can't successfully rebrand that disaster of a woman, or the terrible, unpopular Biden/Harris policies that she will have to try and defend that have lead to high prices, high crime, a wide open border, wokeness gone mad, and multiple proxy wars. Same losing message with a worse candidate. Good luck with that...independents aren't buying that message, and polls continue to show that. ROFL
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Aug 9, 2024 18:05:07 GMT -5
Harris has to have professional entertainment to get a crowd to show up to her rallies! If Harris gets 500 people at a rally without a celebrity, MSM will call it a massive crowd. If Trump has less than 30,000 at a rally, MSM will say that he is losing support
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Post by amg1977 on Aug 9, 2024 18:07:29 GMT -5
As far as I know, this is the first time in history that Presidential Candidate, who was voted for by the people, was tossed aside because he was losing. Correct me if I'm wrong about that.
There is at least one situation that may be just as strange. In 1968, during the height of the Vietnam War, incumbent President Lyndon B. Johnson ran what was supposed to be an easy primary win as a sitting president during wartime. But Vietnam had become so divisive that, in the New Hampshire primary, fringe antiwar candidate Eugene McCarthy got 42% to Johnson's 48% and the latter realized things were not going to get better with the war becoming increasingly unpopular. Johnson withdrew, VP Hubert Humphrey entered and then Robert F. Kennedy entered. Kennedy seemed on his way to capturing the nomination with McCarthy second when he was assassinated. Then through political dealings, Humphrey managed to win the nomination despite not being that popular. Another Democrat, segregationist Alabama governor George Wallace entered as a third party candidate with former VP Richard Nixon as the Republican nominee. Humphrey's maneuvering did him no good as his outmaneuvering peace candidate McCarthy only emboldened the radicals to riot outside the Dem convention in Chicago. Mayor Richard Daley responded by instructing police to bust open some heads and all of it appeared on national television. This led one comedian to comment "I don't believe in organized political parties - that's why I'm a Democrat." Nixon won and would have won by a landslide were Wallace not in the race (no Wallace voter would vote for Humphrey). There is actually a long history of weird things that happened in party conventions but this was the most memorable in my lifetime.
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