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Post by colt46 on Jul 1, 2024 14:32:42 GMT -5
Fake Priest you are the one who needs help!
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Post by colt46 on Jul 1, 2024 14:35:05 GMT -5
Donkey how often does that happen? I do believe in a higher power ! Getting a sex change operation is wrong period!
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Post by donkey on Jul 1, 2024 14:45:34 GMT -5
Donkey how often does that happen? I do believe in a higher power ! Getting a sex change operation is wrong period! It happens about as often as transgenders happen. Its a small percentage of the population in both cases, but it definitely exists in both cases. You can believe what you want, and so can transgenders. It's a free country. Decisions they make for themselves is none of your business, just as how you believe is none of their business. We are also free to believe in God or not believe. That's what makes America great. It's like Jackie says when defending her sister. Let people live how they want to live. As long as they arent hurting anyone, just leave them alone.
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Post by Fake Priest on Jul 1, 2024 14:54:54 GMT -5
“Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”
LOL!
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Post by colt46 on Jul 1, 2024 15:08:18 GMT -5
Fake Priest get help !
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Post by richard on Jul 1, 2024 16:09:14 GMT -5
Donkey how often does that happen? I do believe in a higher power ! Getting a sex change operation is wrong period! It happens about as often as transgenders happen. Its a small percentage of the population in both cases, but it definitely exists in both cases. You can believe what you want, and so can transgenders. It's a free country. Decisions they make for themselves is none of your business, just as how you believe is none of their business. We are also free to believe in God or not believe. That's what makes America great. It's like Jackie says when defending her sister. Let people live how they want o live. As long as they arent hurting anyone, just leave them alone. But they are hurting people. You have transgenders dominating women's sports because they are actually Male with a physical advantage in strength and stamina.
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Post by The Jackinator on Jul 1, 2024 16:12:01 GMT -5
It happens about as often as transgenders happen. Its a small percentage of the population in both cases, but it definitely exists in both cases. You can believe what you want, and so can transgenders. It's a free country. Decisions they make for themselves is none of your business, just as how you believe is none of their business. We are also free to believe in God or not believe. That's what makes America great. It's like Jackie says when defending her sister. Let people live how they want o live. As long as they arent hurting anyone, just leave them alone. But they are hurting people. You have transgenders dominating women's sports because they are actually Male with a physical advantage in strength and stamina. And some of them demand to use girls restrooms
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Post by donkey on Jul 1, 2024 16:23:50 GMT -5
But they are hurting people. You have transgenders dominating women's sports because they are actually Male with a physical advantage in strength and stamina. And some of them demand to use girls restrooms Ah...but that's where you draw the line. Being a transgender in itself is up to the individual...people shouldn't be attacked for it. But when they start demanding rights that affect/hurt other people, thats a different story. You have the right to do what you want (and believe what you want)....UNTIL your actions infringe upon the rights or well-being of others. Most of our rights have similar restrictions. For instance, freedom of speech...you have the right to say what you want, up until the point where you start threatening others, or defaming them and damaging their reputation, or yelling fire in a crowded theater for kicks.
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Post by BOGC on Jul 1, 2024 17:48:12 GMT -5
These questions are unrelated to the suggestion of vocal coaching. Suggesting Jackie could benefit from vocal coaching is not suggesting anything will come of it career wise. They have nothing to do with each other. Separate the subject of vocal coaching from the rise or fall of Jackie's career. She could benefit from vocal coaching, period. What she does with her career is another subject entirely. Singing fundamentals (like breath control) has nothing to do with the style of music you sing, or whether it is more important for one type of singing than another, or whether an audience can hear the difference or not, or whether a singer's voice is pleasing to the ear. Entirely nonsensical comments when considering the context in which the point that was being made and has been made and implied endlessly by the German poster. His insinuation is that she isn't going anywhere and isn't any good due at least in part to lack of professional vocal training. The counter point to that is she was good, is good, and that her lack of vocal training has nothing to do with her career trajectory. YOU may not want to discuss it within that context, but that is the context in which the discussion has been occurring. Also incorrect that genre is irrelevant to needing classical vocal training...opera is a different animal, just as a classical piano concert is a different animal than a rock band keyboard player playing in a band. While it may be true that vocal training might help any singer with his/her technique, Jackie has zero interest in that it would seem and I contend it would make little to no difference in her current professional goals, which are to gain an alt-pop audience. There is a certain amount of classical vocal training snobbery reflected by a select minority on this board, and to be honest, I find it a bit nauseating. Most fans haven't the faintest idea if any given singer they enjoy is using the "technically correct, or ideal technique" while they are singing, and just couldn't care less to know whether they are or not. lol Training and coaching are different things, if with some overlap. Technique and assorted other basics usually (a piece of paper from a prestigious institution is NOT NECESSARY, notwithstanding some parts of the world where it's common to obsess over that) comes from training and practice as well as innate talent and the ears and brain that recognize to some degree even without theory, what works and what doesn't. Coaching includes help preparing for specific songs, expert feedback to keep one safe and effective, etc. In the extreme, coaching might be a regular thing (at least once a week if performing multiple times a week), while training is usually longer stretches (doesn't have to be two or four years nonstop) relatively free from the distraction of professional performance. Both are useful in their way. Coaching is arguably necessary to some degree regardless of how much training one wants or needs (or has had). The legend of totally natural unaided talent is just a legend. Clearly the vocal (let alone choreography) coaches on TMS were quite helpful. Heck, that level of intense coaching for the material paid by the show had to have been a massive learning experience. Back in AGT days, Yvie clearly did a lot. There were undoubtedly others in between, even if mentioning them was contrary to the legend.
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Post by BOGC on Jul 1, 2024 17:57:46 GMT -5
And some of them demand to use girls restrooms Ah...but that's where you draw the line. Being a transgender in itself is up to the individual...people shouldn't be attacked for it. But when they start demanding rights that affect/hurt other people, thats a different story. You have the right to do what you want (and believe what you want)....UNTIL your actions infringe upon the rights or well-being of others. Most of our rights have similar restrictions. For instance, freedom of speech...you have the right to say what you want, up until the point where you start threatening others, or defaming them and damaging their reputation, or yelling fire in a crowded theater for kicks. A genuine transgender isn't usually a danger to others. (there are so many variations in behavior, I wouldn't care to make that an absolute statement) But they are perhaps rare compared to those that aren't but are willing to play the part (cross dressing rather than physical modifications) to gain access. That means there is a danger even if it doesn't come from the transgenders themselves. It may mean that the straight biological females endangered outnumber the genuine transgenders endangered by not getting their choice. And deciding who is legit and who isn't would be politically impossible; certainly under 18, where physical alterations are limited. There should be more single-occupant restrooms, in new construction or major rehab, period. Heck, you could have someone that's very conventional except they're uncomfortable sharing a public restroom. As for the social inclusiveness of females gossiping or whatever in their restroom, too bad; can't accommodate everything. That's a different issue from the sports situation, where someone might be genuine but still have a disproportionate advantage.
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Post by 1 Guest on Jul 1, 2024 18:07:14 GMT -5
Ah...but that's where you draw the line. Being a transgender in itself is up to the individual...people shouldn't be attacked for it. But when they start demanding rights that affect/hurt other people, thats a different story. You have the right to do what you want (and believe what you want)....UNTIL your actions infringe upon the rights or well-being of others. Most of our rights have similar restrictions. For instance, freedom of speech...you have the right to say what you want, up until the point where you start threatening others, or defaming them and damaging their reputation, or yelling fire in a crowded theater for kicks. A genuine transgender isn't usually a danger to others. (there are so many variations in behavior, I wouldn't care to make that an absolute statement) But they are perhaps rare compared to those that aren't but are willing to play the part (cross dressing rather than physical modifications) to gain access. That means there is a danger even if it doesn't come from the transgenders themselves. It may mean that the straight biological females endangered outnumber the genuine transgenders endangered by not getting their choice. And deciding who is legit and who isn't would be politically impossible; certainly under 18, where physical alterations are limited. There should be more single-occupant restrooms, in new construction or major rehab, period. Heck, you could have someone that's very conventional except they're uncomfortable sharing a public restroom. As for the social inclusiveness of females gossiping or whatever in their restroom, too bad; can't accommodate everything. That's a different issue from the sports situation, where someone might be genuine but still have a disproportionate advantage.True. Some boys might actually believe that they're a girl, and might have even gone through the hormone treatments and surgeries, so they're genuine in their belief, but they're not females and never will be, they're transgender females and there's a difference. And they'll still have the advantage when it comes to women's sports.
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Post by donkey on Jul 1, 2024 19:27:46 GMT -5
A genuine transgender isn't usually a danger to others. (there are so many variations in behavior, I wouldn't care to make that an absolute statement) But they are perhaps rare compared to those that aren't but are willing to play the part (cross dressing rather than physical modifications) to gain access. That means there is a danger even if it doesn't come from the transgenders themselves. It may mean that the straight biological females endangered outnumber the genuine transgenders endangered by not getting their choice. And deciding who is legit and who isn't would be politically impossible; certainly under 18, where physical alterations are limited. There should be more single-occupant restrooms, in new construction or major rehab, period. Heck, you could have someone that's very conventional except they're uncomfortable sharing a public restroom. As for the social inclusiveness of females gossiping or whatever in their restroom, too bad; can't accommodate everything. That's a different issue from the sports situation, where someone might be genuine but still have a disproportionate advantage.True. Some boys might actually believe that they're a girl, and might have even gone through the hormone treatments and surgeries, so they're genuine in their belief, but they're not females and never will be, they're transgender females and there's a difference. And they'll still have the advantage when it comes to women's sports. No rational, objective, fair minded person thinks its okay for someone with a male body....testostrone levels, muscle mass, breathing capacity, shoulder center of balance, etc should compete with a woman's body. It's common sense, and those transgenders who have done so and who went from 200th in the country for men to #1 for women are pathetic.
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Post by 1 Guest on Jul 1, 2024 19:40:33 GMT -5
True. Some boys might actually believe that they're a girl, and might have even gone through the hormone treatments and surgeries, so they're genuine in their belief, but they're not females and never will be, they're transgender females and there's a difference. And they'll still have the advantage when it comes to women's sports. No rational, objective, fair minded person thinks its okay for someone with a male body....testostrone levels, muscle mass, breathing capacity, shoulder center of balance, etc should compete with a woman's body. It's common sense, and those transgenders who have done so and who went from 200th in the country for men to #1 for women are pathetic. I wonder how they can live with themselves, they're narcissists who have no self-respect, they know that most people believe they're cheats and their medals are meaningless.
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Post by BOGC on Jul 1, 2024 21:35:20 GMT -5
True. Some boys might actually believe that they're a girl, and might have even gone through the hormone treatments and surgeries, so they're genuine in their belief, but they're not females and never will be, they're transgender females and there's a difference. And they'll still have the advantage when it comes to women's sports. No rational, objective, fair minded person thinks its okay for someone with a male body....testostrone levels, muscle mass, breathing capacity, shoulder center of balance, etc should compete with a woman's body. It's common sense, and those transgenders who have done so and who went from 200th in the country for men to #1 for women are pathetic. The problem is the ideologues (not just specifically transgender supporting, either) that think there is NO practical difference between male and female except in the mind, that the whole gender thing was a mistake by nature, and that by sheer force of will and volume, the existence of such differences should be denied. Some of those are radical feminists. Except feminists are divided now that it's clear that there are situations where trans women are displacing biological women. This doesn't mean that in the mental realm, there aren't plenty of qualified men and women for any given task, nor that there aren't significant statistical (but not individually constraining) differences even there. It does mean some differences in physical activities. I've got to think that there's some reason behind why the events in men's vs women's Olympic gymnastics are different, that has very little to do with skill, and more with strength vs flexibility or something like that. Extend the concept. A trans male playing football would likely get badly hurt. Yes, there are female athletes or bodybuilders who could take most guys apart, but they're not the norm at all.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Jul 3, 2024 4:36:07 GMT -5
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