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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 2:04:58 GMT -5
This thread is to discuss Jackie and Jackie-related showbiz stuff, which deleted is part of. If we restricted this thread to only Jackie, the thread would go extinct since there is relatively little Jackie news, especially in the last few years. And who knows when Jackie will disappear next. You could remove the option to have guest accounts and move all non-Jackie related posts into sub threads. Why you haven't and wont is what you revealed on your other account in the following post and in another post too, is you want to create your own Vault forum. You should have done that to begin with instead of trying to screw with the formula of Jackie's Amazon which was about Jackie's products and selling Jackie's products: Just Somebody General Discussion: Entertainment - etc - #2 Jan 11, 2022 at 8:40am richard likes thisPost OptionsPost by Just Somebody on Jan 11, 2022 at 8:40am The Vault forum has basically been handed over to a very touchy young woman who fashions herself as Gap's bestie. There were a few members who were acting like OTTs and they could have been gotten rid of very easily. It's basically a purge of anyone considered "old" from her fanbase, and rather than keep the cancer of OTTs from spreading on the Vault forum, they took the shotgun approach and threw everyone under the bus. They held ALL forum members responsible for the acts of a few. If anyone over 30 dares to sign up at the Discord site, they will be "sniffed" out and cancelled by the queen über fan. Simple, msims, I was complaining about a successful coup d'état of a FAN FORUM by someone who lobbied the sh!t out of the forum owner to purify the forum by nuking it. You, on the other hand, are lobbying the sh!t out of an admin of a NOT A FAN FORUM to purify it in the same way that the Vandervault Nazi did, except for the nuking part. You just want anyone with an opinion you don't like to be taken out to the courtyard and shot. You don't see the difference, I know. (SPOILER ALERT) Basically, you are the bad guy in this parallel universe. By the way, I am not SoCal. Jesus Christ, you are so annoying that you got me to actually respond to you. I guess that's what trolls love the most, eh? |
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Post by msims on Jan 16, 2023 2:31:20 GMT -5
You could remove the option to have guest accounts and move all non-Jackie related posts into sub threads. Why you haven't and wont is what you revealed on your other account in the following post and in another post too, is you want to create your own Vault forum. You should have done that to begin with instead of trying to screw with the formula of Jackie's Amazon which was about Jackie's products and selling Jackie's products: Just Somebody General Discussion: Entertainment - etc - #2 Jan 11, 2022 at 8:40am richard likes thisPost OptionsPost by Just Somebody on Jan 11, 2022 at 8:40am The Vault forum has basically been handed over to a very touchy young woman who fashions herself as Gap's bestie. There were a few members who were acting like OTTs and they could have been gotten rid of very easily. It's basically a purge of anyone considered "old" from her fanbase, and rather than keep the cancer of OTTs from spreading on the Vault forum, they took the shotgun approach and threw everyone under the bus. They held ALL forum members responsible for the acts of a few. If anyone over 30 dares to sign up at the Discord site, they will be "sniffed" out and cancelled by the queen über fan. Simple, msims, I was complaining about a successful coup d'état of a FAN FORUM by someone who lobbied the sh!t out of the forum owner to purify the forum by nuking it. You, on the other hand, are lobbying the sh!t out of an admin of a NOT A FAN FORUM to purify it in the same way that the Vandervault Nazi did, except for the nuking part. You just want anyone with an opinion you don't like to be taken out to the courtyard and shot. You don't see the difference, I know. (SPOILER ALERT) Basically, you are the bad guy in this parallel universe. By the way, I am not SoCal. Jesus Christ, you are so annoying that you got me to actually respond to you. I guess that's what trolls love the most, eh? As I said in my post that you quoted, you should re-read it: "is you want to create your own Vault forum". You don't get the option to be treated differently or credibly when you have multiple guest accounts and multiple emails to create multiple registered accounts, to run your scam. Amazon Discussions was about selling her products/discussing the product (Jackie's) and comparing it to relevant products such as other products of hers. When you review a product on amazon, you don't review a different product you review the product on the product page. The people who went to the forum were fans, those fans were driven out in part because a fan board was created by Lisa and the trolls. You had the option in 2018 to create your own Vault forum but you didnt perhaps because the Vault existed. I have suggested and the guest (possibly yellowstone) to move it to a separate thread. The rationale is kill two birds with one stone. 1. Drive Jackie fans out by gaslighting and lying constantly backing up those lies on bot accounts 2. Spam your spam who no one likes or cares about except your bot accounts. |
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Post by Grace Fan on Jan 16, 2023 4:18:42 GMT -5
2. Spam your spam who no one likes or cares about except your bot accounts. I think the 150K+ likes Grace received on her IG post for her birthday would disagree with you. If you were solely talking about people on this forum, then I think you'll come to find that there are a fair few that have at least a modicum of interest in how Grace's career will unfold, and no, they're not "bots" like you have gaslighted yourself into believing. I have never commented under any other name, even using "Grace Fan" for the period of time that I was just commenting as a guest. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Jan 16, 2023 8:02:31 GMT -5
trying to screw with the formula of Jackie's Amazon which was about Jackie's products and selling Jackie's products And how well did that formula work? It worked so well that Amazon decided to scrap all their forums. Which is why this forum exists at all. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Jan 16, 2023 8:10:13 GMT -5
I was complaining about a successful coup d'état of a FAN FORUM by someone who lobbied the sh!t out of the forum owner to purify the forum by nuking it. I wonder how well the nuking of the old Grace forum worked: 1. Is the new Discord forum as successful as the old forum? 2. Were they able to purify the forum and remove all the older fans? |
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Post by Equality for Bots! on Jan 16, 2023 8:53:35 GMT -5
2. Spam your spam who no one likes or cares about except your bot accounts. I am sick and tired of all the condescension and derision directed at us bots on this forum. Sure we are only bots but we have feelings and aspirations too. You humans take us for granted - you forget that without us, this forum would be a ghost town with tumbleweeds blowing through it. You need to walk a mile in our moccasins before you insult and belittle us. By the way, I speak for all bots except the Jackie ones. They are crazy OTT bots and we have no idea what planet they came from. |
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Post by ChrisR on Jan 16, 2023 9:18:37 GMT -5
I'm sure when you wrote that you were looking at your own mirror. |
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Post by Guest With Comment & Question on Jan 16, 2023 10:26:22 GMT -5
trying to screw with the formula of Jackie's Amazon which was about Jackie's products and selling Jackie's products And how well did that formula work? It worked so well that Amazon decided to scrap all their forums. Which is why this forum exists at all. Well said Socal Fan , BTW who banned the beach guy .....an why ? some one with power who disagreed with him or disliked him ? |
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Post by donkey on Jan 16, 2023 11:19:25 GMT -5
I'm sure when you wrote that you were looking at your own mirror. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Jan 16, 2023 11:23:17 GMT -5
BTW who banned the beach guy .....an why ? some one with power who disagreed with him or disliked him ? You'll need to check with Beach Guy's home planet on that. BTW Beach Guy is off topic for this thread since he is not Jackie or showbiz related. Please use the Beach Guy threads. |
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Post by BOGC on Jan 16, 2023 13:36:21 GMT -5
I was complaining about a successful coup d'état of a FAN FORUM by someone who lobbied the sh!t out of the forum owner to purify the forum by nuking it. I wonder how well the nuking of the old Grace forum worked: 1. Is the new Discord forum as successful as the old forum? 2. Were they able to purify the forum and remove all the older fans? I don't see that older people are a liability. People that behave badly (creepy, trashy, even too overprotective) would be a liability whatever age they were. The simple thing to do anywhere is watch how people behave before posting; and then post in similar style but with content of one's choice within the accepted bounds. Do that, don't use a selfie photo avatar, and don't mention your age, and probably nobody will know how old you are. And while one might not have to STRICTLY follow the saying "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all", one might want to try to keep a positive balance and keep criticisms constructive and non-repetitive (even reasonable kudos sound tired if too repetitive, as far as that goes). Odds are even if something is a discussion forum rather than a fan forum, most people probably didn't come there to take shots and watch others take shots, they came because they were interested, maybe looking for information or others that shared their interest. Other rule, don't try to be noticed; the talent has their own rules for why choose the few they do to respond to, and they probably stick to them. You probably don't have a chance unless your dog is singing along with a video or you're a fan young enough to have to have your parents post for you. :-) And cuteness or sensitivity aside, that's perhaps because those are the only ones that aren't likely to try to strike up a conversation. |
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Post by donkey on Jan 16, 2023 14:05:25 GMT -5
I wonder how well the nuking of the old Grace forum worked: 1. Is the new Discord forum as successful as the old forum? 2. Were they able to purify the forum and remove all the older fans? I don't see that older people are a liability. People that behave badly (creepy, trashy, even too overprotective) would be a liability whatever age they were. The simple thing to do anywhere is watch how people behave before posting; and then post in similar style but with content of one's choice within the accepted bounds. Do that, don't use a selfie photo avatar, and don't mention your age, and probably nobody will know how old you are. And while one might not have to STRICTLY follow the saying "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all", one might want to try to keep a positive balance and keep criticisms constructive and non-repetitive (even reasonable kudos sound tired if too repetitive, as far as that goes). Odds are even if something is a discussion forum rather than a fan forum, most people probably didn't come there to take shots and watch others take shots, they came because they were interested, maybe looking for information or others that shared their interest. Other rule, don't try to be noticed; the talent has their own rules for why choose the few they do to respond to, and they probably stick to them. You probably don't have a chance unless your dog is singing along with a video or you're a fan young enough to have to have your parents post for you. :-) And cuteness or sensitivity aside, that's perhaps because those are the only ones that aren't likely to try to strike up a conversation. If you only want comments to be constructive and non-negative, you're in the wrong forum as there are a couple of posters in here who have no interest in being constructive and are endlessly repetitive. lol They are really only here for some good old fashion Jackie bashing to get their kicks. On the other side of the spectrum, you have one or two in here who endlessly repeat stats from ten years ago that bear no resemblance to today's stats...and that is entirely unconstructive. Now on the bright side, there is a handful of people in the middle of all of that who do seem to have the ability to be realistic and somewhat objective, and who do from time to time offer constructive suggestions. |
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Post by amg1977 on Jan 16, 2023 15:18:26 GMT -5
Grace is getting a makeover for her role in Megalopolis.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 16:04:23 GMT -5
I was complaining about a successful coup d'état of a FAN FORUM by someone who lobbied the sh!t out of the forum owner to purify the forum by nuking it. I wonder how well the nuking of the old Grace forum worked: 1. Is the new Discord forum as successful as the old forum? 2. Were they able to purify the forum and remove all the older fans? Two private Discord servers (Discord servers are more like chatrooms than forums) were created after the vandervault.org forum was deleted and the website renamed.* There's an under-30 and an over-30. I don't have the server names written down, maybe someone else can provide the links. I've been to the over-30 recently and it had 91 members with 10 active. I'm not sure how that compares to the old forum, but those numbers seem about right. Rules are typical, nothing stands out. Discord is confusing to me, and I don't have a lot to chat about, so I seldom log in. *Vandervault.org website is now called vandalshq.org. The new fan name "Vandals" replaces the old fan name "Fanderwaals" I think. I'm fuzzy on that. |
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Post by amg1977 on Jan 16, 2023 16:49:43 GMT -5
With my actually having a life and visiting family during the holidays, I decided to wait to point out the silliness of Sims' brain dead responses to me. He's not really worth trying to reason with in real time, so let's go through these in one shot: The reason Cait-ikky is upset is because Jackie doesn't play the fame game like the celebrities he/she follows. Thats a good thing. This isn't the first time you have tried to compare Jackie's situation to someone like The Eagles One of the reasons I know you are Crazy Cait is because you don't comprehend even the basic of arguments that a 12 year old could understand. I am citing an example of a legacy artist (rather than the irrelevant spam) who opted out of youtube to point out that they do not pay artists (according to them). Artists tour. The Eagles tour. Taylor Swift who sued spotify at the time, "she feels the service does not "fairly compensate" music artists, writers, and producers." may become a billionaire on her next tour. If you think one is more successful than Jackie because she maybe gets a check from spotify (silly argument), you may be able to convince the little girls who like your spam but not me. Jackie is a success story because she has a great well marketed voice, sold 3m+ units and has toured alot.Its ridiculous that you think you could tell me what I experienced as I was there and you claim you weren't (sure Cait). I have repeatedly offered to meet you on Zoom or any other group chat to show you that I am not this Yaz/Cait person whose identity you assign to everyone who displays any doubt that Jackie is not as popular as ever. It doesn't matter if they hold vastly disparate opinions on Jackie's future or what steps she should take next. It doesn't even matter if they have vastly different vocabularies, use divergent sentence structures, etc. You will in your paranoia insist they are all the same person. So if you are wondering why everyone treats you as though you are batsh!t crazy, it is likely because you are. As for the idea about the form, please note the word "this." That means the forum we currently are occupying. This means THIS - right here!! When has THIS forum ever been a fan forum? In fact, the very first post in the forum stated unequivocally that it was NOT a fan forum:
The bold print should make it very clear just how wrong you are. Now, if you are claiming the Amazon forum was a fan forum, you are wrong there as well. I wasn't a regular contributor there to see it but I was familiar with Amazon forums in general and none of them were fan forums. Particularly when it came to artists who could elicit strong opinions or who were politically active, those forums were war zones and a lot more heated than anything here and I would imagine happened at the Jackie Amazon forum. Amazon forums were there to share opinions on products the same as their reviews are as well. Now I would imagine that the early subscribers to the forum were mostly fans and a few dissenters but things changed as the fanbase divided. But having a forum initially dominated by fans is not the same thing as a fan forum. Yet even if you want to argue the point further, even you admit the forum was not acting as a fan forum at the end and it is quite clear that Socal Fan intended to repeat that atmosphere and not your imagined forum utopia.
Next, you are wrong that YouTube doesn't pay for views. They do for anyone associated with VEVO and that would include Jackie. Now, back when the Eagles were actually recording, there was no YouTube and when they made their last album, streaming was not a factor at all. But now that it is the major component of all music distribution, the Eagles' legacy output is on YouTube and Spotify just like everyone else.
Yes, Jackie sold 3 million plus albums - most of it in the first three years after AGT. She got paid for that then. It does nothing for her now. Taylor Swift, who sure caught on to the new model real fast, now streams and then sells "special collectors editions" of her albums on CD and vinyl that the fans will then not play because they want it to keep its resale value. So she gets them to buy and album AND stream. She is also among the few artists who can still sell a million albums. Well it doesn't look like the status quo is doing much bill paying, so why not? She probably made in the six figures in '22. So what evidence is there that she can't pay the bills? Talking out your behind again, Caz?
By your own post (where you found a filed contract), she made between $17,500 and $32,000 for the NJ concert. So how much do you think she was paid for the Winery tour? Or for album sales and streaming? Then deduct the amount she paid for travel, costumes, staff (including Mike), musicians, etc.. So what do you think she made now? I'm not saying she wouldn't have netted six figures but she certainly would not be getting rich from the current status of her career. The main point is that six figures is not what you would expect for that 3 million + label you keep attaching to her. A real multi-platinum artist in their prime could make six figures in one night.
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