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Post by donkey on Jul 19, 2023 17:18:16 GMT -5
No not nonsense, it’s an opinion Donkey! I would not insult your opinion! It's an absurd opinion for which there is no evidence Coltmiser. To accuse the producers of trying to set Jackie up to fail is an old conspiracy theory that I have always considered ridiculous. Besides, your accusation was based on the false stipulation that producers choose the song for the singer, which is simply untrue. Jackie likely picked that song as she was very familiar with singing it, and the producers likely supported her decision. |
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Post by colt46 on Jul 19, 2023 17:20:58 GMT -5
I still won’t do the same to you Donkey when I think your post is off the mark! It’s called free thinking 🤔!
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Post by donkey on Jul 19, 2023 17:23:13 GMT -5
I still won’t do the same to you Donkey when I think your post is off the mark! It’s called free thinking 🤔! Try reading my post again. Your comment was based on the false statement made by msims that the producers pick the songs for the singer to perform. That's incorrect. Thus, if the singer picked the song, then how are the producers setting her up to fail? |
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Post by AGT on Jul 19, 2023 17:41:52 GMT -5
Jackie likely picked that song as she was very familiar with singing it, and the producers likely supported her decision. Quote: "Do AGT contestants pick their own songs? Sometimes they’re just putting songs on their list that they love and they’re not really thinking about their personal statement.” The contestants submit a list of songs and the producers consider which song would be the right pick for them." quick-advices.com/do-agt-contestants-pick-their-own-songs/ |
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 19, 2023 17:43:08 GMT -5
A churchy song like Ave Maria was a poor contender for the prize. I would have voted for what's his name over what's her name. I don't think the song selection had anything to do with the voting in the Final. Religion wasn't an issue at all. I'm not religious in the slightest and thought it was a great song selection. It's a beautiful song no matter what religion you do or don't belong to. That's kind of irrelevant. I agree that religion was not the problem. However, I think her handlers should have picked a better known song. If she wanted to sing Ave Maria, the best known version is by Schubert. But something like Danny Boy or Somewhere would be even better known. We'll never know if it would have made a difference. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 19, 2023 17:52:44 GMT -5
Nope. It is up to the Producers, as far as the results and the song choices. That's actually not true. I just looked it up. It's a joint decision by the producers and the contestants. I suspect the contestants pick the song they want to sing, and if the producers agree with it, it's a go. This make sense in Jackie's case as she was very familiar with singing Ave Maria. I suspect the producers always go with the contestant's choice except in unusual situations when they don't think it's appropriate for some reason. They want to maintain veto power for such circumstances. Yes, the producers have ultimate say but they try to let the contestant make the choice. That's how Grace Vanderwaal sang I Don't Know My Name. She tried a few covers but ultimately picked her original. If she had picked a cover, I don't think she would have made it past the audition round. Not enough people would be interested in her quirky raspy voice. But her original was striking and heartfelt and it immediately got everybody's attention and Howie's Golden Buzzer. The original gave her the hook that was essential to her victory. |
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Post by Grace Fan on Jul 19, 2023 18:37:21 GMT -5
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Post by donkey on Jul 19, 2023 18:40:22 GMT -5
Jackie likely picked that song as she was very familiar with singing it, and the producers likely supported her decision. Quote: "Do AGT contestants pick their own songs? Sometimes they’re just putting songs on their list that they love and they’re not really thinking about their personal statement.” The contestants submit a list of songs and the producers consider which song would be the right pick for them." quick-advices.com/do-agt-contestants-pick-their-own-songs/I read that AGT has to get the rights for any song to be performed on AGT. That's the only thing that really limits what singers can sing. If they can't get the rights, then the contestant can't sing it on the show for legal reasons. |
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Post by BOGC on Jul 19, 2023 18:41:38 GMT -5
child acts have been a big part of showbiz from the beginning, with Jackie Coogan and Shirley Temple. Both of which had problems with parents or industry adults. I don't think that all performing kids are abuse, but there are others (both professional and amateur) that think that kids should not be allowed anything other than lessons and occasional amateur events when they're good enough; certainly not anything commercial, even in the sense in which some "talent shows" (not pure competitions by any means) are commercial, lest they end up physically (including overstraining), emotionally, or economically damaged. Hmm. Protective is understandable, and yet, life consists of surviving physical and emotional and sometimes economic damage, until we can't one day. Without overcoming damage, we'd have little incentive to learn or get stronger. Not everyone survives that, so sorry. But being kept in a safe space until some magic number is not always the right answer. For those who build their abilities mostly by persistence on schedule, it may be; but for prodigies, that might be like a prison. Consider amateur gymnastics before the age limit was raised: expensive rather than profitable (unless one wins Olympic gold and becomes a celebrity endorser), but still extreme practice, nonzero risk of serious injury, and lots of pressure and stress. And anyone widely known is also statistically near certain to be known to some number of creeps with impulse control problems. Doing anything really well probably exists only outside of safe spaces. |
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Post by M Sims on Jul 19, 2023 18:43:30 GMT -5
Jackie likely picked that song as she was very familiar with singing it, and the producers likely supported her decision. Quote: "Do AGT contestants pick their own songs? Sometimes they’re just putting songs on their list that they love and they’re not really thinking about their personal statement.” The contestants submit a list of songs and the producers consider which song would be the right pick for them[/b]."https://quick-advices.com/do-agt-contestants-pick-their-own-songs/ [/quote]This is correct. I have no idea what donkey was doing when he said “that’s not true” he basically said what I already said just in his own words. |
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Post by colt46 on Jul 19, 2023 18:54:10 GMT -5
Grace looked and sounded great, thanks for posting !
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Post by BOGC on Jul 19, 2023 22:44:56 GMT -5
Whether it was a producer conspiracy, or an anti-kid (or anti-kid doing Vegas) vote, or a deal, or a normal and predictable outcome, both MG and JE got the outcome that was best for them. MG got the big prize and more immediate exposure in Vegas, and JE got a record deal and not held to do all the AGT tour stops, which let her start working on her own next steps.
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Post by richard on Jul 20, 2023 1:38:41 GMT -5
Whether it was a producer conspiracy, or an anti-kid (or anti-kid doing Vegas) vote, or a deal, or a normal and predictable outcome, both MG and JE got the outcome that was best for them. MG got the big prize and more immediate exposure in Vegas, and JE got a record deal and not held to do all the AGT tour stops, which let her start working on her own next steps. Doesn't matter if she won or not. In signing the contract to be on AGT all of the top 10 were required to go on the AGT tour. Lisa said that they didn't know who won until it was released to the public and that the reason Jackie didn't go on all of the AGT tour was that because of her age it required a Judge to sign off on it. |
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Post by BOGC on Jul 20, 2023 2:58:35 GMT -5
Whether it was a producer conspiracy, or an anti-kid (or anti-kid doing Vegas) vote, or a deal, or a normal and predictable outcome, both MG and JE got the outcome that was best for them. MG got the big prize and more immediate exposure in Vegas, and JE got a record deal and not held to do all the AGT tour stops, which let her start working on her own next steps. Doesn't matter if she won or not. In signing the contract to be on AGT all of the top 10 were required to go on the AGT tour. Lisa said that they didn't know who won until it was released to the public and that the reason Jackie didn't go on all of the AGT tour was that because of her age it required a Judge to sign off on it. However it happened, IMO she was better off only doing the few stops of the AGT tour that she did. Not like she needed the experience, having done local talent shows from Ohio to Massachusetts for a couple years already. |
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Post by colt46 on Jul 20, 2023 3:19:23 GMT -5
If Jackie had won she would have to do all the tour stops , instead she did 10 of them! The first winner of AGT was 11 years old and there was no tour just got the prize money 💰!In My opinion Jackie would have won in those circumstances !
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