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Post by 1 Guest on Jul 23, 2023 13:26:29 GMT -5
I agree....I've never liked it. Gives them an unfair advantage on a show that is supposed to be about talent. I agree but AGT has never been about talent - it's been about ratings. Thry want the people who will bring in an untapped audience or are jumping on an emerging trend. They also like sob stories because people will watch it like it were a soap opera with lots of tear jerking into the finals. The voting isn't fixed - the penalties are too high for that going back to the game show scandals of the 50s, but the judges can skew audience perceptions by lavishing praise on contestants. They can also prep contestants so they appeal to a wider demographic. So you tell Grace to ditch the pink hair she had for a blonde bob and have her show up in looking more middle American clean cut than NYC hipster. It doesn't always work - it did with Grace but when they tried to push Courtney Hadwin, the public said no thanks. But AGT definitely has its favorites. Bingo. The only talent shows that I ever watched was the first 2-3 seasons of American Idol, and it was crystal clear early on in the season who Cowell wanted to win. He's look for someone who had the "IT" factor, someone he thought he could make a lot of money from, rather than the best singer. He'd praise that person and wasn't exactly kind to some of the others, especially the ones who were VERY good but not necessarily sex symbols, and the other judges usually followed his lead. Turned me off of talent shows forever. I hate them. And I hate the fact that people are RAAVED about, it gets their hopes up, and then they're never heard from again. Think about how many people actually ended up with a decent career out of the thousands of contestants, many hugely talented, that have participated on all of those shows, over more than a decade. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 23, 2023 13:28:39 GMT -5
If the show was rigging it somehow, that would be a massive scandal. I don't believe that is occurring and don't believe anyone significant has even claimed it is occurring. I agree that the producers would not rig AGT even if it was legal. There is no reason to take the chance if it is ever exposed. But I seem to recall that there were technical and/or computer problems in the counting of votes that may or may not have affected the outcome of Jackie vs Grimm. Does anyone remember? |
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 23, 2023 13:57:34 GMT -5
Turned me off of talent shows forever. I hate them. And I hate the fact that people are RAAVED about, it gets their hopes up, and then they're never heard from again. Think about how many people actually ended up with a decent career out of the thousands of contestants, many hugely talented, that have participated on all of those shows, over more than a decade. I think your criticism of talent shows is unfair. You are absolutely right that zillions of contestants are raved about during the show but, after the show, they disappear and are never heard from again. Here is the reason: talent show contestants mostly sing covers and they are judged on their singing (performing) ability. But career success depends on their songwriting talent and charisma. Which explains why talent show winners quickly fade away. And the young singers we frequently talk about on this forum (Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo, Tate McRae, etc) did not come up through talent shows. GraceV is the exception that proves the rule. She did something extraordinary on a talent show: she sang a great original and showed off her songwriting talent. You are asking talent shows to do something they cannot do: discover songwriting talent. By their very nature, talent shows are only good at discovering performing talent. |
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Post by msims on Jul 23, 2023 16:11:41 GMT -5
Im just astonished at the lack of self awareness in the trolls: www.quora.com/What-is-the-audition-process-like-for-Americas-Got-Talent/answers/37188281I have to answer anonymously for legal reasons. I have been on several different variations of the show in several countries. It is extremely exciting for the amateurs and the biggest headache in the world for professionals. There are professionals on these shows who are paid to be there. If the idea of waiting in a hallway, on folding chairs or in the cold for several days sounds like fun to you … It is great! You have to be hyper present for the interviews, there is a person behind the camera feeding you your responses. My mother had just died of cancer and they kept wanting me to bring that up for sympathy points. I refused and they were shitty about it. Sorry I am not that pathetic to sell out the death of my mother for publicity. The contestants invent or capitalize on sad stories from their lives or pretend to be a certain type of person in front of the camera like all reality TV shows. They make you sign contracts that could potentially make you their slave under contract for the next several years if they can figure out a way to monetize you.They are looking for attractive, marketable, talented people, untalented people to shame, and mediocre talented people that have just the right level of crazy to be interesting for the people at home. The first time I invested a lot of time and money thinking it would be good publicity, they didn’t have the technical items I needed and requested ahead of time and I had to pay out of pocket to rent theatrical equipment….If you can’t tell I reallllllly don’t like these people. They really shift the voting behind the scenes and through editing. There are many acts who get great votes from the judges and then never appear on TV at all. The votes don’t actually count. They decide who wins in the end. (note from MSims: everyone knows these shows are rigged for drama, etc whether this person is telling the truth or not) They call me every year to come back on several different versions, I ask for a ton of money and they have given it to me a few times. I started asking for even more and my price was too high. Fine with me to not deal with the headache. It is all so fake,calculated,and ruthless that I just have no interest in playing their game anymore. For an average Joe with a talent, go for it! Or a young marketable artist who might get a boost or national attention. But if you have an established career it probably isn’t worth it. unless you really like and want to play the game. -- They also bring people in from other countries who won shows in those countries. |
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Post by John Public on Jul 23, 2023 17:00:07 GMT -5
If America got talent wanted Jackie or who ever to win they would win. It in the contract that AGT has the right to disregard any votes and can decide at their discretion who wins. It's in here somewhere. www.scribd.com/document/134719192/AGT-Contract One would have to have rocks for brain cells to believe Miss Evencho received less votes then this L V Strip lifer loser , she had 400,000+ votes but her people singed a no talk result (Turned Down 1st Place ) , the votes were burned , they did not want her to go to L V gig as they thought with a offer from a BIG name producer she would be better off free of AGT contract , she made her name without going across the country .To think he won is dumb and funny . |
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Post by donkey on Jul 23, 2023 17:09:25 GMT -5
If America got talent wanted Jackie or who ever to win they would win. It in the contract that AGT has the right to disregard any votes and can decide at their discretion who wins. It's in here somewhere. www.scribd.com/document/134719192/AGT-Contract One would have to have rocks for brain cells to believe Miss Evencho received less votes then this L V Strip lifer loser , she had 400,000+ votes but her people singed a no talk result (Turned Down 1st Place ) , the votes were burned , they did not want her to go to L V gig as they thought with a offer from a BIG name producer she would be better off free of AGT contract , she made her name without going across the country .To think he won is dumb and funny . There is no evidence of that, so your statement is nothing more than a baseless conspiracy theory. If AGT were to cheat and that came out, the show would be toast. |
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Post by colt46 on Jul 23, 2023 17:21:42 GMT -5
I will say only this with what Jackie did vs Michael Grimm, Jackie broke the celling when she was the first little girl to sing 🎤 the type of music 🎶 she did on AGT!
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Post by donkey on Jul 23, 2023 17:31:16 GMT -5
I will say only this with what Jackie did vs Michael Grimm, Jackie broke the celling when she was the first little girl to sing 🎤 the type of music 🎶 she did on AGT! Um...Charlotte Church? Charlotte's musical break came at age 11 when she sang Andrew Lloyd Webber's "Pie Jesu" over the telephone on the television show This Morning in 1997, followed by her performance on ITV's Big, Big Talent Show in 1997.
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Post by BOGC on Jul 23, 2023 18:13:22 GMT -5
career success depends on their songwriting talent Elvis didn't write any of his own songs (although he got co-writer credit on some). And It's Now or Never (his biggest single) was just new lyrics for the melody of the 1898 Neapolitan song 'O sole mio. Any music that outlasts the original performer ends up as a cover. That which does not outlast the original performer is like confetti at a parade, swept away not long after by the next thing. There is a value to being a singer/songwriter, in that you have all possible insight into what you wrote (although it would be better if you don't sound like a frog, but there are those who have succeeded despite that limitation: Dylan, Springsteen*). But the value of the music is determined over decades, not a week's or year's charts, or a single performer. * Although Manfred Mann's cover of Blinded By The Light blew away the original.. |
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Post by colt46 on Jul 23, 2023 18:24:54 GMT -5
I am talking about AGT , CHARLOTTE CHURCH DID NOT COMPETE ON AGT, I WAS REFERRING TO THAT COMPETITION NOT WHAT CHARLOTTE CHURCH DID ! Jackie was the first on AGT!
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Post by donkey on Jul 23, 2023 18:37:45 GMT -5
I am talking about AGT , CHARLOTTE CHURCH DID NOT COMPETE ON AGT, I WAS REFERRING TO THAT COMPETITION NOT WHAT CHARLOTTE CHURCH DID ! Jackie was the first on AGT! Ahhh...okay. No worries Coltman, I get your point.  |
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 23, 2023 19:35:43 GMT -5
career success depends on their songwriting talent Elvis didn't write any of his own songs Sorry, wrong century. We are trying to keep this discussion relevant to Jackie. The singer-songwriter era started around the 1960s. Singers like Elvis and Sinatra achieved their breakthroughs prior to the singer-songwriter era and so did not write their own songs. Streisand came from the musical theater genre where singers seldom, if ever, wrote their own songs. There will always be exceptions but that is what they are: exceptions. |
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Post by richard on Jul 23, 2023 19:36:51 GMT -5
What does AGT matter anyways now, Jackie has been on other shows like AGT the Champions, The Masked Singer, The big show in China with even David Foster as a judge and she did not do well in any of them. Shows like AGT Champions and The Masked Singer showed Jackie is not considered such a great singer by the general public, those losses may end up following her more than AGT.
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Post by donkey on Jul 23, 2023 19:46:42 GMT -5
What does AGT matter anyways now, Jackie has been on other shows like AGT the Champions, The Masked Singer, The big show in China with even David Foster as a judge and she did not do well in any of them. Shows like AGT Champions and The Masked Singer showed Jackie is not considered such a great singer by the general public, those losses may end up following her more than AGT. To be honest, and it pains me to say it, Jackie doesn't really even have a career at this point. Sure, she gets invited to do an interview or appear on a show like TMS or AGT every once in a while based on her childhood success as a singer, but aside from vague promises of an album full of originals at some undisclosed time somewhere down the road, there is no career currently as we speak. The two annual shows she does in Ocean City and at Xmas in PA, or the occassional very rare private performance like the one in FL this year, amount to little more than a very p/t, albeit paying hobby at his point. 2023 looks to include THREE DAYS of performing out of 365 days. The career appears to be pretty much done (unless something dramatically changes), save for the death rattle. |
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Post by johnnyb on Jul 23, 2023 20:06:15 GMT -5
What does AGT matter anyways now, Jackie has been on other shows like AGT the Champions, The Masked Singer, The big show in China with even David Foster as a judge and she did not do well in any of them. Shows like AGT Champions and The Masked Singer showed Jackie is not considered such a great singer by the general public, those losses may end up following her more than AGT. To be honest, and it pains me to say it, Jackie doesn't really even have a career at this point. Sure, she gets invited to do an interview or appear on a show like TMS or AGT every once in a while based on her childhood success as a singer, but aside from vague promises of an album full of originals at some undisclosed time somewhere down the road, there is no career currently as we speak. The two annual shows she does in Ocean City and at Xmas in PA, or the occassional very rare private performance like the one in FL this year, amount to little more than a very p/t, albeit paying hobby at his point. 2023 looks to include THREE DAYS of performing out of 365 days. The career appears to be pretty much done, at least at the present moment, save for the death rattle. Looks pretty dismal Donk, I guess you better cut Jackie a cheque, help a girl out. 😲 |
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