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Post by Zero the Cat on Mar 22, 2024 15:56:26 GMT -5
Surely he was being sarcastic for it is a joke if he said that or he might be one of delusion for it happens with aging . Wise Owl, have you figured this out yet?
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Post by amg1977 on Mar 22, 2024 16:51:15 GMT -5
Grace soon: Heard that one before. Just kidding, I believe her this time because someone said she fired someone? Something's going on with Grace. She's been flying back and forth between NYC and LA for the last few weeks. It might be something with Megalopolis or it could be some unrelated project. With the film released in a few months, I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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Post by msims on Mar 22, 2024 17:58:39 GMT -5
Artists should be paid. I think freebies should only be given out, if an artist is just getting started and/or trying to get a deal. Artists that the public deems worthy of payment are paid. Artists that the public does not deem worthy of payment are not paid. Jackie is "just getting started" in pop and she has to prove to the public that she is worthy of payment. The number of streams she is getting is very much in the "just getting started" range. Im going to request you watch this interview with Luke Combs, when he discusses the money issue. Essentially as ive posted before, he had a huge hit with Fast Car but most of the money went to the writer. In my opinion: the names mentioned here that are supposedly (but not really) in competition with Jackie (GV, OR, BE, TM except of course Taylor Swift) have co-writers, therefore they have to split their royalties with them. BE's brother for instance, and I looked at GV she had cowriters on alot of that second LP. So if these songs are getting millions of streams, regardless the label and the cowriters also have to be split the pot with. So getting back to publishing:If Behind my Eyes which is an AC hit if she/MP are able to license the song out for say a commercial, etc and shes paid then thats money. That could mean more visibility more ears and that could boost her streams as well. Either way money is money but the hard work I mentioned is not solely on Jackie's part but she has to do interviews, gigs, etc. Do anything she can do. I am the last person to lecture on whether she should be out there doing gigs. I PREFER an artist get noticed by doing any gigs they can do.
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Post by Grace Fan on Mar 22, 2024 18:15:53 GMT -5
Artists that the public deems worthy of payment are paid. Artists that the public does not deem worthy of payment are not paid. Jackie is "just getting started" in pop and she has to prove to the public that she is worthy of payment. The number of streams she is getting is very much in the "just getting started" range. Im going to request you watch this interview with Luke Combs, when he discusses the money issue. Essentially as ive posted before, he had a huge hit with Fast Car but most of the money went to the writer. In my opinion: the names mentioned here that are supposedly (but not really) in competition with Jackie (GV, OR, BE, TM except of course Taylor Swift) have co-writers, therefore they have to split their royalties with them. BE's brother for instance, and I looked at GV she had cowriters on alot of that second LP. So if these songs are getting millions of streams, regardless the label and the cowriters also have to be split the pot with. So getting back to publishing:If Behind my Eyes which is an AC hit if she/MP are able to license the song out for say a commercial, etc and shes paid then thats money. That could mean more visibility more ears and that could boost her streams as well. Either way money is money but the hard work I mentioned is not solely on Jackie's part but she has to do interviews, gigs, etc. Do anything she can do. I am the last person to lecture on whether she should be out there doing gigs. I PREFER an artist get noticed by doing any gigs they can do. I'm sure amg1977 will likely chime in here as he has explained the payouts for streams in the past. My two cents is that, even with the ONE other co-writer that Grace has on the majority of the songs that she didn't write solo, she'll still be raking in a lot of money with the 50/50 split, not to mention her share for being the artist singing the song.
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Post by richard on Mar 22, 2024 19:02:28 GMT -5
Im going to request you watch this interview with Luke Combs, when he discusses the money issue. Essentially as ive posted before, he had a huge hit with Fast Car but most of the money went to the writer. In my opinion: the names mentioned here that are supposedly (but not really) in competition with Jackie (GV, OR, BE, TM except of course Taylor Swift) have co-writers, therefore they have to split their royalties with them. BE's brother for instance, and I looked at GV she had cowriters on alot of that second LP. So if these songs are getting millions of streams, regardless the label and the cowriters also have to be split the pot with. So getting back to publishing:If Behind my Eyes which is an AC hit if she/MP are able to license the song out for say a commercial, etc and shes paid then thats money. That could mean more visibility more ears and that could boost her streams as well. Either way money is money but the hard work I mentioned is not solely on Jackie's part but she has to do interviews, gigs, etc. Do anything she can do. I am the last person to lecture on whether she should be out there doing gigs. I PREFER an artist get noticed by doing any gigs they can do. I'm sure amg1977 will likely chime in here as he has explained the payouts for streams in the past. My two cents is that, even with the ONE other co-writer that Grace has on the majority of the songs that she didn't write solo, she'll still be raking in a lot of money with the 50/50 split, not to mention her share for being the artist singing the song. I think Mike E thinks a lot like msims and why Jackie will never do much more than she is doing now. GV, OR, BE, TM and other artist like Jenna Ortega and Millie Bobby Brown look at everything as a part of the whole. Where as Jackie under Mike supervision looked at everything separately. If social media wasn't paying a lot of money why do it. If streaming isn't paying a lot of money why do it. All the others realize that the same people that stream their songs and follow their social media are the same people that will fill an Arena or watch their movies and series. The same way the commercial market is going to say "hay this person is very popular with this group of people" we want them to endorse our product. If really lucky like Millie Bobby Brown they will want her to have her own product line. So it really doesn't matter in the long run that something doesn't pay what they thought it would, it's just part of the whole package of being a celebrity.
Olivia Rodrigo's Obsessed now hit 2m views in 20 hours, if it doesn't even make a penny streaming it did just what Olivia wanted when she said she wanted to write songs for Guts that will work with a concert's audience.
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Post by Art Showers on Mar 22, 2024 20:01:18 GMT -5
Grace V yesterday
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Post by Socal Fan on Mar 22, 2024 21:57:37 GMT -5
I previously warned about posts that are little more than videos or graphics whose purpose is only to attack other posts or posters. I have just deleted one such post. If one has a point or an argument, please make it with intelligent and meaningful words.
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Post by JoJo VanderWa on Mar 22, 2024 22:19:49 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been posted. Grace's take on JoJo Siwa rebranding. Grace should throw some advice Jackie's way.
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Post by richard on Mar 22, 2024 22:39:47 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been posted. Grace's take on JoJo Siwa rebranding. Grace should throw some advice Jackie's way. This has to be one of the most intelligent well thought out things I have heard Grace say. Much of it could go toward Jackie also. Also it should be remembered that Grace Vanderwaal always admired JoJo.
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Post by Transitioning on Mar 22, 2024 22:50:32 GMT -5
I'm only slightly aware that JoJo Siwa has been trying to rebrand, but I think Grace is saying that if you're going to rebrand, you have to wipe the old image clean. Flip Grace's advice in the other direction and it also applies to Jackie. JoJo Siwa apparently still looks and acts like JoJo Siwa, and Jackie Evancho still looks and acts like Jackie Evancho. Well, not like red-dress Jackie, she has been dressing differently. Jackie doesn't need to put a huge bow in her hair and act goofy, but she does need to be more in our face (e.g., videos, post some "bedroom recordings" of her performing song ideas that she's done on Garage Band or Logic Pro. Something that demonstrates that she's a committed to songwriting even outside the studio. A picture of her posing in front of a computer with Garage Band booted up was fine, but let's hear what else she's working on, even if it's not that good.
She's the one that wants to stop being a perfectionist, so stop being a perfectionist and be honest and vulnerable. Fans and new fans will eat that up.
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Post by MoJo JoJo on Mar 23, 2024 0:02:00 GMT -5
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Post by amg1977 on Mar 23, 2024 0:05:22 GMT -5
Artists that the public deems worthy of payment are paid. Artists that the public does not deem worthy of payment are not paid. Jackie is "just getting started" in pop and she has to prove to the public that she is worthy of payment. The number of streams she is getting is very much in the "just getting started" range. Im going to request you watch this interview with Luke Combs, when he discusses the money issue. Essentially as ive posted before, he had a huge hit with Fast Car but most of the money went to the writer. I think you need to go back and listen again. He was saying the SONGWRITERS are the ones who DON'T get paid. Mainly because with physical sales, you get paid for a song on an album even if no one likes the song. In streaming, you only get paid if people listen to the song. So unless you wrote a popular somg on the album, you don't get paid. He never said anything about the singer not getting paid. We've already been through this a dozen times or more. Everyone knows whst Spotify pays and the streaming numbers. No one is disputing that. The songwriters make considerably less than the artists since the labels negotiated the contracts with streaming services and the they only looked out for themselves and the artists who work for them. Songwriters are contractors and are on their own.
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Post by msims on Mar 23, 2024 0:32:39 GMT -5
Im going to request you watch this interview with Luke Combs, when he discusses the money issue. Essentially as ive posted before, he had a huge hit with Fast Car but most of the money went to the writer. He never said anything about the singer not getting paid. I was referring to a previous billboard article here. I linked to this article prior.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Mar 23, 2024 0:44:51 GMT -5
He never said anything about the singer not getting paid. I was referring to a previous billboard article here. I linked to this article prior. But where is the news..it is logical… Tracy Chapman wrote the song…it is the same as all the Joni Mitchell covers by JE..Joni Mitchell earns the biggest piece of cake..
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Post by amg1977 on Mar 23, 2024 3:04:53 GMT -5
He never said anything about the singer not getting paid. I was referring to a previous billboard article here. I linked to this article prior. In that article, it clearly states it is referring to PUBLISHING ROYALTIES. This is the money per stream that is split between the songwriter, music publisher (both of which are Chapman) with a small cut going to either BMI or ASCAP (whichever Chapman is aligned with for publishing rights). Thus, Chapman does get the bulk of the publishing royalies as it has nothing to do with the recording royalties (including the $0.0032 per stream Combs receives). The per stream publishing royalties consist of $0.00188 going to the songwriter, $0.00188 going to the publisher, and $0.00024 going to BMI or ASCAP. The per stream recording royalties consist of $0.0128 to the label and $0.0032 to the artist. The total is $0.02 per stream. I went over this with you multiple times as well and it too was published by Billboard. Breakdown from Billboard: So songwriter and publisher both get 9.4% of $0.02 per stream which is $0.00188 per stream each. Artist gets the 16% of the $0.02 per stream which is $0.0032 per stream. Publishing royalties are the total of performance and mechanicals.
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