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Post by M Sims on Sept 4, 2024 23:39:35 GMT -5
Smoking cigarettes like Caz’s fave does would be detrimental to a sopranos voice in Jackie’s case. So if Jackie were to take pot or smoke a cigarette that would be bad. You can only get away with that if you’re an old legacy artist like John Mellencamp or James Hetfield as they could retire if something were to happen. Brian May had a stroke but the man has money so he doesn’t have to do it but for someone in their 20’s: protect your instrument.
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Post by BOGC on Sept 5, 2024 0:19:34 GMT -5
Smoking cigarettes like Caz’s fave does would be detrimental to a sopranos voice in Jackie’s case. So if Jackie were to take pot or smoke a cigarette that would be bad. You can only get away with that if you’re an old legacy artist like John Mellencamp or James Hetfield as they could retire if something were to happen. Brian May had a stroke but the man has money so he doesn’t have to do it but for someone in their 20’s: protect your instrument. Even eaten pot or alcohol takes the edge off of control, which is not helpful. A glass of wine AFTER performing is no big deal. But not before, because alcohol is also drying (so is anything with caffeine, but most herbal teas* are ok if not too hot; some actually help), which isn't helpful either. * other than yerba mate, guayusa, and yaupon, three caffeine containing members of the holly family, the first two from South America, the latter (less known and somewhat misunderstood) from North America. These have other alkaloids theobromine and theophylline that tend to reduce caffeine jitters, and guayusa has theanine (like green tea), which has an alert calming effect (Zen masters probably drank a lot of green tea).
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Post by Guest 9 on Sept 5, 2024 13:43:12 GMT -5
What a great young at heart interesting forum we have here , I just can't wait to view it every day
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 5, 2024 13:59:13 GMT -5
Some singers who are or were heavy smokers:
- Adele
- Amy Winehouse
- Aretha Franklin
- Billie Holiday
- David Bowie
- Debbie Harry
- Diana Ross
- Dionne Warwick
- Ella Fitzgerald
- Elton John
- Elvis Presley
- Etta James
- Frank Sinatra
- Freddy Mercury
- George Harrison
- George Michael
- John Lennon
- Joni Mitchell
- Kate Bush
- Marvin Gaye
- Nat King Cole
- Nina Simone
- Otis Redding
- Paul McCartney
- Ray Charles
- Sam Cooke
- Whitney Houston
For the most part, it doesn't seem to affect pop singers very much. I can see where it would affect a classical singer where they are looking for a very precise and less flexible tone in their voice. In pop music, there is no standard repertoire and you can have the song rearranged for however your voice may change. With pop singers as least, it appears cigarettes will only affect your voice when it's ready to kill you (e.g., Nat King Cole, George Harrison).
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 5, 2024 15:11:55 GMT -5
Smoking cigarettes like Caz’s fave does would be detrimental to a sopranos voice in Jackie’s case. So if Jackie were to take pot or smoke a cigarette that would be bad. For the most part, it doesn't seem to affect pop singers very much. I can see where it would affect a classical singer where they are looking for a very precise and less flexible tone in their voice. At 0:17: Robert Merrill: "I'm not the only singer who's a Camel man. Lots of us are."
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Post by donkey on Sept 5, 2024 16:11:28 GMT -5
I think smoking damage to vocal cords is likely long term. They can likely sing just fine for decades before it really starts affecting their singing.
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Post by BOGC on Sept 5, 2024 16:54:34 GMT -5
Some singers who are or were heavy smokers:
- Adele
- Amy Winehouse
- Aretha Franklin
- Billie Holiday
- David Bowie
- Debbie Harry
- Diana Ross
- Dionne Warwick
- Ella Fitzgerald
- Elton John
- Elvis Presley
- Etta James
- Frank Sinatra
- Freddy Mercury
- George Harrison
- George Michael
- John Lennon
- Joni Mitchell
- Kate Bush
- Marvin Gaye
- Nat King Cole
- Nina Simone
- Otis Redding
- Paul McCartney
- Ray Charles
- Sam Cooke
- Whitney Houston
For the most part, it doesn't seem to affect pop singers very much. I can see where it would affect a classical singer where they are looking for a very precise and less flexible tone in their voice. In pop music, there is no standard repertoire and you can have the song rearranged for however your voice may change. With pop singers as least, it appears cigarettes will only affect your voice when it's ready to kill you (e.g., Nat King Cole, George Harrison). Smoking roughens the voice (less clear tone - that rugged sound may be a plus for most pop/rock, but definitely not where pure tone is desired, like in classical, or even often helpful, like folk other than e.g. poor wanderer stuff like Woody Guthrie). And it increases congestion by inactivating (permanently, after awhile) cilia that help with cleanout, which can be a problem for any singer, reducing endurance and requiring other measures (drink more water, for one) to compensate. Curable (but not without damage) throat cancer is not unheard-of. I'd also say a non-roughened voice is MORE flexible, not less. One can always do breathy or vocal fry with a clear voice as a matter of technique if desired, but one can't really make a roughened voice smooth again.
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 5, 2024 18:34:25 GMT -5
I'd also say a non-roughened voice is MORE flexible, not less. One can always do breathy or vocal fry with a clear voice as a matter of technique if desired, but one can't really make a roughened voice smooth again.
When I used "flexible," I wasn't referring to their voice but rather the exactness traditionally expected in top tier classical performances. That is, a pop vocalist is free to adjust the song and change things in a live performance while a classical performance of something in the standard repertoire would generally have be less flexible in its standards of what tones it would expect.
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Post by BOGC on Sept 5, 2024 21:29:51 GMT -5
I'd also say a non-roughened voice is MORE flexible, not less. One can always do breathy or vocal fry with a clear voice as a matter of technique if desired, but one can't really make a roughened voice smooth again.
When I used "flexible," I wasn't referring to their voice but rather the exactness traditionally expected in top tier classical performances. That is, a pop vocalist is free to adjust the song and change things in a live performance while a classical performance of something in the standard repertoire would generally have be less flexible in its standards of what tones it would expect.
I'm not sure to what extent I'd consider being able to get away with something less demanding to be freedom or flexibility, but there are people who write well received songs and interpret them well except for the small matter that frogs or donkeys (no shot at anyone here) have better voices. Dylan, Springsteen, etc come to mind.
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 6, 2024 1:00:01 GMT -5
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Post by Spotify Global on Sept 6, 2024 14:54:43 GMT -5
Rick Beato does an interesting Top 10 countdown about every four months. He found a surprising fact about this one.
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Post by msims on Sept 6, 2024 17:10:03 GMT -5
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Post by Grace Fan on Sept 6, 2024 17:34:54 GMT -5
Looks like Grace is starting to tease her next single. She shared lyrics through her IG WaalFlowers broadcast channel, as well as through SMS and email if you signed up for it. https://www.instagram.com/p/C_l6iJcPjAd
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Post by Mumble in Mumbai on Sept 6, 2024 17:36:19 GMT -5
Why the double posting? Is there something different on this one?
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Post by WaalFlower on Sept 6, 2024 17:43:53 GMT -5
Looks like Grace is starting to tease her next single. She shared lyrics through her IG WaalFlowers broadcast channel, as well as through SMS and email if you signed up for it. Is that what her new fan club is called? It's a way better name than "Vandals" by a long shot. That website really messed up by re-working the documentary and changing the name just because Grace sang an edgy song. The channel owner spent a lot of money and shouldn't have been so easily influenced by what's her name. All those people who put in a lot of work contributing as "subject matter experts" were unceremoniously brushed aside for a cut-up film that flopped. Another example of how not to run a fan site.
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