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Post by amg1977 on Apr 10, 2020 4:37:50 GMT -5
Since Jackie turned 20 yesterday and her career may be entering another phase with her appearances on TMS, I thought it would be interesting to take a look back at her career. I am putting together some links by year of news substantial news articles centered on Jackie beginning with her first appearances on AGT in 2010. I did it using a Google search of news using her name and the date range. When behind a pay wall, I have used a link to an archived copy on archive.org's "Wayback Machine" when available. In some cases when an article was written in French, Spanish, or German, I linked to a Google translation. I haven't bothered with articles in non-European languages since the translations are usually a hot mess.
Here is 2010:
This particular year obviously was covering Jackie's rise to notoriety by her appearances on AGT and subsequent signing with Columbia Records. What is interesting is that she seemed far more poised and able to answer questions as a 10 year old than she would later exhibit as a teenager. Hopefully, with the change in her living situation (particularly with the influence of Christina Turino), she will break out of her shell.
Given the enthusiasm for her performances, there remains the question of how she ended up losing to Michael Grimm who was entertaining but not outstanding and was generally thought most likely to end up at best in third place behind Jackie and and entertainer who went by the name Prince Poppycock. I have my own theory based on what I think was the dynamics at play.
Both Jackie and Poppycock had very devoted followings and each had support from two of the three judges but all along Piers Morgan had been very pro-Jackie. With Jackie and Poppycock the two favorites going in to the finals, the latter gave a lackluster performance compared to his previous efforts. At this point, Morgan gave him the buzzer and Poppycock started to unravel completely and obviously lost his chance. I remember a lot of Poppycock's fans were furious in their comments that evening and Morgan was seen as being "in the bag" for Jackie and they thought he did it deliberately to help her. At that point, Grimm, who gave a terrific performance that night, likely got the votes of many irate Poppycock fans who wanted to make sure his "golden girl" lost. If Morgan has never pressed the buzzer, I am convinced Jackie would have won but he generated animosity towards her at least for that evening and that cost her the prize.
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Post by 1 Guest on Apr 10, 2020 7:15:17 GMT -5
amg1977 said: Given the enthusiasm for her performances, there remains the question of how she ended up losing to Michael Grimm who was entertaining but not outstanding and was generally thought most likely to end up at best in third place behind Jackie and and entertainer who went by the name Prince Poppycock. I have my own theory based on what I think was the dynamics at play.
I think Grimm won because I'd bet that more kids vote than adults and most kids had no interest in what Jackie sang. Kids, especially girls, like cute guys with guitars, and while he might not have been spectacular, he was good and a lot more appealing to them than Jackie was. But in the end, winning didn't matter, Jackie's the one who got the career.
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Post by Anthony on Apr 10, 2020 8:42:59 GMT -5
Is she sick with the bug lockdown . What does Father mean quarantine i no understand
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Post by Guest 5 on Apr 10, 2020 9:01:45 GMT -5
Is she sick with the bug lockdown . What does Father mean quarantine i no understand Beachguy, Jackie is not sick. Quarantine is a general term for what most people in the country are doing right now - staying at home - or living separated from others.
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Post by johnnyb on Apr 10, 2020 9:49:33 GMT -5
Beach head knock it off with the idiotic aliases, you're not fooling anyone.
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Post by richard on Apr 10, 2020 9:50:38 GMT -5
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Post by House on Apr 10, 2020 9:53:22 GMT -5
Beach head knock it off with the idiotic aliases, you're not fooling anyone. Yes indeed , who does he think he is fooling , not us for sure
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Post by amg1977 on Apr 10, 2020 11:37:43 GMT -5
I think Grimm won because I'd bet that more kids vote than adults and most kids had no interest in what Jackie sang. Kids, especially girls, like cute guys with guitars, and while he might not have been spectacular, he was good and a lot more appealing to them than Jackie was. Kids like cute young guys with guitars (e.g., Shawn Mendes). Michael Grimm was already in his 30s. I agree that kids would not be interested in what Jackie sang, but they would not be interested in what Michael Grimm sang either as his music was geared towards boomer tastes. Besides the vote was not between Jackie and Grimm but between four candidates of which Jackie and Grimm were two.
People often think of the vote as between the top two candidates but in reality it is between a group of candidates and the winner rarely has a majority but only a plurality of the votes cast. Recently it has been a vote between the Top 10 candidates. Back in 2010, the show was on twice a week and the vote was between the top four candidates. The final four were Jackie, Grimm, Poppycock, and some dance troupe called Fighting Gravity. Jackie and Poppycock had been the favorites from the beginning and polls had them close going into the finals.
For his finals act, Poppycock was giving a not very good performance (partly due to poor song choice, partly to technical malfunctions) but certainly not worthy of being buzzed. When Morgan buzzed him, Poppycock fans on the internet were enraged and claimed he did it to help Jackie. Fighting Gravity had messed up a few times also and really had no chance of winning either. Poppycock lost a lot of support and the overwhelming majority must have gone to Grimm given the reaction and how the latter pulled off such a huge upset. If Morgan had not buzzed Poppycock but merely criticized him in the comments (as the other judges did), Poppycock would not have fallen apart at the end but still would have lost a lot of votes because of an overall poor performance. I think Poppycock would have lost votes anyway but fewer of them and those he lost would have been more evenly split rather than highly favoring Grimm.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Apr 10, 2020 11:38:33 GMT -5
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Post by amg1977 on Apr 10, 2020 12:10:36 GMT -5
Sophia is not stupid. I'm pretty sure she realizes that she is the only real friend Jackie has had for years. When Lisa was in charge of Jackie's career, she rebuffed anyone else's input - even when they wanted to help Jackie. Rarely did we see Jackie's social media thanking people who appeared with her or helped her - even when Jackie's career started to flounder and she needed all the goodwill she could get. Hopefully, things will change with Christina in the picture as she knows how the game is played.
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Post by johnnyb on Apr 10, 2020 12:42:01 GMT -5
Sophia is not stupid. I'm pretty sure she realizes that she is the only real friend Jackie has had for years. When Lisa was in charge of Jackie's career, she rebuffed anyone else's input - even when they wanted to help Jackie. Rarely did we see Jackie's social media thanking people who appeared with her or helped her - even when Jackie's career started to flounder and she needed all the goodwill she could get. Hopefully, things will change with Christina in the picture as she knows how the game is played. Lisa was given the boot long ago, not much of a difference on the social media front since she got her walking papers.
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Post by Kanye East on Apr 10, 2020 13:01:42 GMT -5
amg1977 said: Given the enthusiasm for her performances, there remains the question of how she ended up losing to Michael Grimm who was entertaining but not outstanding and was generally thought most likely to end up at best in third place behind Jackie and and entertainer who went by the name Prince Poppycock. I have my own theory based on what I think was the dynamics at play. I think Grimm won because I'd bet that more kids vote than adults and most kids had no interest in what Jackie sang. Kids, especially girls, like cute guys with guitars, and while he might not have been spectacular, he was good and a lot more appealing to them than Jackie was. But in the end, winning didn't matter, Jackie's the one who got the career. Grimm also had a good sob story. The grandparents who lost their home in a hurricane and he could help them if he won. Jackie had the bankrupt unemployed parents. But that was revealed mostly only in the tabloids and internet discussions. Her background told during the broadcasts made her appear to be in a relatively privileged upbringing of a nice big family living in the suburbs. I'm not sure though if playing up the financially burdened parents angle would have helped or if it would have drawn resentment from the idea of a young child's talent used for bailing out her parents.
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Post by amg1977 on Apr 10, 2020 13:28:58 GMT -5
Lisa was given the boot long ago, not much of a difference on the social media front since she got her walking papers. True, but I don't think Lisa ever gave up with the social media accounts even when she was removed from the day-to-day managing of Jackie's career. The accounts were Lisa's - not Jackie's - and I think Lisa often pushed propaganda for her LGBT crusade in Jackie's mouth. Not that Jackie would have disagreed with what she wrote, but Lisa was more adamant about getting her transgendered offspring in front of the public no matter what the effect on Jackie's career. It wouldn't have mattered much if Jackie's appeal were to teenagers, but her target audience was older middle America types who didn't respond well to having that shoved in their face by someone they had pictured as "wholesome."
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Post by richard on Apr 10, 2020 14:43:36 GMT -5
Lisa was given the boot long ago, not much of a difference on the social media front since she got her walking papers. True, but I don't think Lisa ever gave up with the social media accounts even when she was removed from the day-to-day managing of Jackie's career. The accounts were Lisa's - not Jackie's - and I think Lisa often pushed propaganda for her LGBT crusade in Jackie's mouth. Not that Jackie would have disagreed with what she wrote, but Lisa was more adamant about getting her transgendered offspring in front of the public no matter what the effect on Jackie's career. It wouldn't have mattered much if Jackie's appeal were to teenagers, but her target audience was older middle America types who didn't respond well to having that shoved in their face by someone they had pictured as "wholesome." You should win a prize for that. As I said TikTok is really Jackie's only social media platform. Remember when Jackie said she was locked out of youtube because she couldn't remember the pass code. I never heard of that happening. Look at her TicTok surprised nobody noticed it. She says this is me BEFORE AGT when I was 10 she is sing pop music. https://www.tiktok.com/@jackieevancho5/video/6813432434432953605
a little extra also.
https://www.tiktok.com/@jackieevancho5/video/6814162123711663365
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Post by richard on Apr 10, 2020 14:50:34 GMT -5
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