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Post by BOGC on Apr 18, 2022 18:51:17 GMT -5
Plus it was probably in the low 40's yesterday afternoon in Pittsburg, today the high there was 44 and right now it's 39 degrees. For the Celsius-preferring, 39ºF = 3 8/9 ºC, and 44ºF 6 2/3 ºC. Absent wind-chill, not miserable, but most people would find it quite on the cool side. In general, the small and even reasonably thin feel the cold more; volume retains heat, surface area loses it. Compare the surface area and volume of cubes of different sizes, and you'll see the pattern. That's why little kids only when falling in cold water may go into deep hypothermia before brain damage, and be revived. Both guys (larger) were wearing jackets. If anything, the surprise is that Rachel seemed not bothered by it, but not everyone fits the pattern exactly. If Jackie was being careful, I like that. :-) PS City in PA is Pittsburgh ending with "h"; without the "h" is other places, although historically, some authorities used the name without the "h". There are also a couple of other places (more neighborhoods or geographic features than cities) with the "h" spelling, but even more without it. Many or most were named after William Pitt, a British Prime Minister in the 18th century. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 18, 2022 18:54:14 GMT -5
making an adequate living Define "adequate". What is the basis of your statement? Basic needs met, living in reasonable comfort, and having at least a few additional resources to invest in future activities or deal with the unexpected. Doesn't require multiple millions or anything on that scale. Plenty of people do decades on the lounge circuit and accomplish that much. Some of 'em are meh, some are good or really good or ascending or descending or just don't have all the other factors to hit it big. edit: also doesn't necessarily require fulfilling stated (if not obviously attempted) ambitions of empire, as far as that goes. edit 2: that applies over more than just a short period of time, provided one can afford to get through lean times or extended sabbaticals. |
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Post by Pin the Tail on Apr 18, 2022 18:56:06 GMT -5
Suppose for example that I won the lottery without making any effort at all. Would you say that I am "making an adequate living"?
"Adequate" by whose definition? Is "adequate" for you the same as "adequate" for Jackie? Does Jackie consider "adequate" to be an amount sufficient to support her entire family? Does Jackie make an "adequate" amount equal to her income ten years ago?
Lots of questions are raised by the statement "making an adequate living".
BTW, since you brought it up, how many tickets did she sell THIS YEAR? Most of this year's concerts were tickets sold long ago.
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Post by Pin the Tail on Apr 18, 2022 18:57:54 GMT -5
My above post was intended as a reply to the donkey. Heehaw.
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Post by BOGC on Apr 18, 2022 19:22:36 GMT -5
Suppose for example that I won the lottery without making any effort at all. Would you say that I am "making an adequate living"? "Adequate" by whose definition? Is "adequate" for you the same as "adequate" for Jackie? Does Jackie consider "adequate" to be an amount sufficient to support her entire family? Does Jackie make an "adequate" amount equal to her income ten years ago? Lots of questions are raised by the statement "making an adequate living". BTW, since you brought it up, how many tickets did she sell THIS YEAR? Most of this year's concerts were tickets sold long ago. I would count something recurring related to career and the primary source of income as "making an adequate living", but not lottery, inheritance, etc (although in extreme cases those might be sufficient that income was unnecessary, i.e. adequate living but no "making"). Recurring does NOT require some particular amount a year provided one can afford a year off. I don't know if Zach or Rachel have any income unrelated to Jackie's current career activity. Arguably Mike has at best very little (he was involved a bit in one or more of Christine's projects, but maybe that was just for personal reasons or to expand his skills). Juliet, although quite expensive in the past, probably is no additional cost to Jackie, Mike, or Lisa right now. Lisa, unknown, although she's got most of the determination and has been self-employed before. If you're going that route, "adequate" is very subjective; but if on average you're not spending as fast as you're earning (not living paycheck to paycheck), a reduction of income, while not ideal, doesn't necessarily mean no longer adequate. IMO, the bottom-est bottom line is the bottom line, that by your work, without increasing debt, you're not hungry, homeless, lacking medical care, failing to meet obligations, or anything like that. One I went to I bought last year because that's when it was on sale. One I bought this year, because that's all that's been announced so far (at least) anywhere near enough to me. If you want to be pedantic, that was to replace one cancelled and refunded...but if/when more concerts are announced within my chosen travel constraints, I'll be perfectly content to attend as many as one every two months (I'm not a groupie nor a travel fan and don't wish to be, so I have SOME limits in both frequency and distance, subject to exceptions for significantly new content, special events, or if I have additional reasons to go to some particular location, like previous Dayton concerts and wanting to see the USAF Museum on Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton). Usually I go by myself and don't otherwise buy more tickets, but exceptions exist. Some locations like OJ NJ being conducive to entertainment for all ages (not just kids nor just oldsters but both and in-between too), as restrictions lift, there's bound to be SOME pent-up demand. Less than there could have been had there been more content released to keep people interested and aware, but still some. So no matter how you want to read things, while she's not visibly on track for anything like empire, neither is she likely to vanish and take up retail or veterinary college. That's probably adequate in any reasonable short-term definition; whether SHE thinks it's adequate and whether SHE something effective about it if she doesn't, is on her, and hardly useful to debate here, except to work out one's argumentative tendencies. :-) |
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Post by johnnyb on Apr 18, 2022 19:28:55 GMT -5
Suppose for example that I won the lottery without making any effort at all. Would you say that I am "making an adequate living"? "Adequate" by whose definition? Is "adequate" for you the same as "adequate" for Jackie? Does Jackie consider "adequate" to be an amount sufficient to support her entire family? Does Jackie make an "adequate" amount equal to her income ten years ago? Lots of questions are raised by the statement "making an adequate living". BTW, since you brought it up, how many tickets did she sell THIS YEAR? Most of this year's concerts were tickets sold long ago. I would count something recurring related to career and the primary source of income as "making an adequate living", but not lottery, inheritance, etc (although in extreme cases those might be sufficient that income was unnecessary, i.e. adequate living but no "making"). Recurring does NOT require some particular amount a year provided one can afford a year off. I don't know if Zach or Rachel have any income unrelated to Jackie's current career activity. Arguably Mike has at best very little (he was involved a bit in one or more of Christine's projects, but maybe that was just for personal reasons or to expand his skills). Juliet, although quite expensive in the past, probably is no additional cost to Jackie, Mike, or Lisa right now. Lisa, unknown, although she's got most of the determination and has been self-employed before. If you're going that route, "adequate" is very subjective; but if on average you're not spending as fast as you're earning (not living paycheck to paycheck), a reduction of income, while not ideal, doesn't necessarily mean no longer adequate. IMO, the bottom-est bottom line is the bottom line, that by your work, without increasing debt, you're not hungry, homeless, lacking medical care, failing to meet obligations, or anything like that. One I went to I bought last year because that's when it was on sale. One I bought this year, because that's all that's been announced so far (at least) anywhere near enough to me. If you want to be pedantic, that was to replace one cancelled and refunded...but if/when more concerts are announced within my chosen travel constraints, I'll be perfectly content to attend as many as one every two months (I'm not a groupie nor a travel fan and don't wish to be, so I have SOME limits in both frequency and distance, subject to exceptions for significantly new content, special events, or if I have additional reasons to go to some particular location, like previous Dayton concerts and wanting to see the USAF Museum on Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton). Usually I go by myself and don't otherwise buy more tickets, but exceptions exist. Some locations like OJ NJ being conducive to entertainment for all ages (not just kids nor just oldsters but both and in-between too), as restrictions lift, there's bound to be SOME pent-up demand. Less than there could have been had there been more content released to keep people interested and aware, but still some. So no matter how you want to read things, while she's not visibly on track for anything like empire, neither is she likely to vanish and take up retail or veterinary college. That's probably adequate in any reasonable short-term definition; whether SHE thinks it's adequate and whether SHE something effective about it if she doesn't, is on her, and hardly useful to debate here, except to work out one's argumentative tendencies. :-) You must be a real hoot at parties. 🧐 |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 18, 2022 19:54:34 GMT -5
You must be a real hoot at parties. 🧐 On the rare occasions that I attend anything resembling a party, I try to stick to very dry (and clean or at least ambiguously so) one-liners. But on other occasions, esp. in writing or if the other guy wants to quibble, I WILL beat that dead horse into submission. :-) |
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Post by donkey on Apr 18, 2022 20:02:06 GMT -5
Suppose for example that I won the lottery without making any effort at all. Would you say that I am "making an adequate living"? "Adequate" by whose definition? Is "adequate" for you the same as "adequate" for Jackie? Does Jackie consider "adequate" to be an amount sufficient to support her entire family? Does Jackie make an "adequate" amount equal to her income ten years ago? Lots of questions are raised by the statement "making an adequate living". BTW, since you brought it up, how many tickets did she sell THIS YEAR? Most of this year's concerts were tickets sold long ago. Except the people who bought those tickets had two or three opportunities to get a refund when they were rescheduled and those who attended chose to keep those tickets. She still makes enough to want to keep doing it...I'm sure she's doing fine since most of these shows seem to have a lot of seats sold. Do most on this board consider the highest income they ever earned in their lifetimes adequate? Because I'm pretty sure that Jackie s can still pull in a lot more than any of us ever did. lol |
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 18, 2022 21:39:29 GMT -5
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Post by amg1977 on Apr 18, 2022 21:52:16 GMT -5
And please don't give me the bs about CC not being a streaming genre as other CC artists (who are successful) are doing well streaming. It is probably an older audience, for which some of them (us) are as tech-savvy as any youngster, with a heck of a lot more experience or training or both; but some aren't - can't set the clock on their microwave (a couple of decades ago, on their VCR). For the tech-challenged as well as for those so far in the boonies that neither broadband nor cellular are fast and reliable (Starlink may change that!), AND those who might want to give CDs to friends or relatives or who just like long-term physical backups, the album on physical media IS NOT DEAD. And even if it were, the album as a bundle of songs released together and SOMETIMES parts of a whole work (Moody Blues Days of Future Passed or Kansas Leftoverture or Neil Diamond Jonathan Livingston Seagull are non-classical examples that come immediately to mind) meant to be heard as such, will probably never entirely go away, because there will always be those that want to try their hand at creating a larger work like that, and also people who at least sometimes want to hear such works in one sitting, in the intended order, even if they may also listen individually to favorite tracks. And people bing-watch recordings of their favorite shows, so count on it that they may sometimes want to binge listen to their favorite artists, whether or not hearing the integrity of a whole work is part of their motivation. I've been known to listen to one or more of Jackie's CDs (mostly the more recent, for context) while driving to one of her concerts, both to recalibrate my ears and to stay of good cheer while contending with traffic during a 3 to 6 hour drive (my preferred upper range limit, generally); and the calming influence of her singing has been noted before in both for a blind raccoon and in VA hospitals. Young folks don't want calming that much, they want hyped up, but for the rest of us, if we want that, coffee will do the job.. :-) Heck, the very size of a CD was influenced by the desire to hold a full recording of Beethoven's 9th Symphony. www.classicfm.com/discover-music/why-is-a-cd-74-minutes/So while the album is not what it once was, and that's at least a little true for all genres give or take album size whole works (mostly but not all classical), it isn't dead nor is it equally declining for all genres.
For all intents and purposes, album sales are a thing of the past as a major source of music listening. CD album sales began to take off in the 1980s and replaced vinyl as the major medium for music. Around 2000, there were close to 1 billion CD albums sold each year - now the industry totals for CD album sales have sunk to barely 40 million units. CDs have even sunk slightly below vinyl - the latter having risen from the dead to achieve the status where CDs have fallen. Nice little nostalgic fad, but I doubt it will go much beyond that total. Even worse, the one area still left open for album sales - digital downloads (where you pay for the digital file) is doing even worse with around 26 million albums sold.
The problem for album sales is the cost. Why should someone pay exorbitant costs to buy music when, for the price of less than 1 album per month, I can listen to anything I want anytime I want. Moreover, it isn't just streaming. My subscription to Amazon (the same applies to Spotify, Apple, etc.) allows me to download the song in high quality audio onto my phone or other mobile device and take it with me. So someone driving to a Jackie concert can listen to it from their car (most older vehicles have aux hookups to the car's audio system and newer vehicles come with Bluetooth).
Generally speaking, the digital quality is excellent, you don't need to be connected to use it, the audio quality is excellent, the price is much less expensive, and you can have a wide variety of music playing. In the past, there were many artists I wanted to try out but we all have some financial limitations to our music budget. Now I can indulge all my musical tastes for about $20 a month. It is no wonder people have moved over to streaming services. The only drawback is you need to keep it going every month but I would spend at least that amount on new albums anyway so who cares how they get my money?
The one thing that has kept some people from moving over is the lack of familiarity with technology, but that is fading. Just like when older people started getting to connected to Facebook, they will learn it when the benefits far outweigh their fears. Eventually the last remaining hold outs will just die out and album purchasing will cease to exist.
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Post by BOGC on Apr 18, 2022 23:43:23 GMT -5
So someone driving to a Jackie concert can listen to it from their car (most older vehicles have aux hookups to the car's audio system and newer vehicles come with Bluetooth).
Newer cars don't have CD players, so there's not much choice there. CarPlay or Android Auto is better quality (over USB, even over WiFi in cars that support that) than Bluetooth, although it might take a very quiet car to notice the difference. The problem for album sales is the cost. Why should someone pay exorbitant costs to buy music when, for the price of less than 1 album per month, I can listen to anything I want anytime I want. I do that (and Apple Music is now mostly CD or sometimes even slightly better quality, depending on the device used) but I ALSO buy a few albums (perhaps less than once, but I never bought a lot) JUST TO SPEND THE DANG $$ and support the artist and give a few (not dozens) away. Granted that teens want infinite free stuff, and a lot of other people can't afford to spend more. But most teens are just parasites off their parents until they GET A JOB. Just like when older people started getting to connected to Facebook, they will learn it when the benefits far outweigh their fears. Eventually the last remaining hold outs will just die out and album purchasing will cease to exist. Social media is friends, small businesses, ideologues, scammers, and marxists, not to mention that they're collecting marketing information about you like crazy, and censoring according to their own ideologies, and rolling over for warrants; and even non-government entities can use it for less than friendly intel collection/stalking/whatever. There is some value but ALSO something to fear there, although hardly new; most of the garbage has been around for awhile on email and even snail mail. There is nothing to _fear_ with streaming audio, but it's only better on convenience and cost; if you can't afford what you want, you should focus on food and housing and dump entertainment, and GET A JOB. And if something hasn't already downloaded and you're in a no cell location (more of them than city dwellers think!) you're screwed until you get back into an area with coverage. And not everything available for purchase (even digital purchase) is available for streaming. Heck, some things are just plain unavailable period, which makes no sense. Find me "It Was a Morning" by Gary Belchér if you can. :-) Even the streaming services that know about it don't seem willing to actually play it. (but I want a stinkin' download, and not ANOTHER service to subscribe to) I _think_ it may still be available in a few non-US regions, but I got tired of looking, and switching regions to get something is a PITA. Newer isn't necessarily better, just a different set of tradeoffs. More popular maybe, but half the population is below average, assuming the usual symmetrical bell curve, so popular DOES NOT IMPRESS ME by itself. As long as works larger than a single track exist, something like the album WILL NEVER EVER EVER DIE, unless people's attention spans and brain capacity dwindles to a single tracks worth of content, in which case we're all doomed anyway, and the lights will go out when the last person that knows how to run the power plant (or build/install/repair solar installations and battery packs) dies. If you never listen to such longer works, that's your choice and self-imposed limitation, but don't you dare imagine that it's everyone's. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 18, 2022 23:53:13 GMT -5
Music is NOT JUST spanking the emotional monkey, it tells a STORY. Even individual songs that are worth a dang that's true, and for any symphony, ballet, opera, or other long work, that is DEFINITELY the case; frequently it was a written story first. Even Louie Louie, the most content-free thing I can think of quickly, tells a sort of a story, although Brandy was IMO a heck of a lot better, unless you're too drunk to tell the difference.
People that just want their feelings stimulated rather than to appreciate a story should burn in musical he||. edit: which would be listening to Fire (Arthur Brown) on repeat for all eternity. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 0:32:06 GMT -5
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I have that album, The Crazy World of Arthur Brown. Bad album but a novelty.
AMG1977 opined about some artists that he doesn't like, but since I'm logged on I'll just mention that Bon Iver's album For Emma, Forever ago is brilliant. I first saw them on the PBS show Austin City Limits (I think), and was blown away at the subtle complexity. I admit they're difficult listening if not fully involved, though, kind of like Radiohead.
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 19, 2022 6:31:31 GMT -5
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