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Post by agog on Apr 21, 2018 21:37:09 GMT -5
To use self defence as an argument for needing a firearm is an extremely weak one at best. Using Violence Policy Center 2010 data which represents fairly complete and thoroughly analyzed data shows that 230 private citizen firearm actions were conducted in the year in a population of about 350,000,000 or 0.0000657 %. It would seem that self defense is a rare occurence and almost totally neglible to be considered a justifiable arguement in support of gun possession. During the same period of time almost 37 times the number of criminal actions were conducted or approximately 8500 homicides. It seems to me that makes a better argument to consider some sort of gun controls being introduced. The only logical argument with some strength is that a significant number of people simply like the idea that they own something that can kill someone and do so quite quickly. |
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Post by richard on Apr 22, 2018 10:11:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 21:46:15 GMT -5
Direct references to 1st & 2nd Amendments, and our Rights in general.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 16:48:11 GMT -5
Well, they should be quite easy to govern, then.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 10:26:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 16:57:08 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/us/dixon-school-shooting.htmlSchool Resource Officer Stopped School Shooting, Authorities Say Parents at Dixon High School in Dixon, Ill., hugged their children on Wednesday after a school resource officer shot an armed student who had fired at him, the authorities said.CreditAlex T. Paschal/Sauk Valley Media, via Associated Press By Daniel Victor May 17, 2018 A school shooting may have been narrowly averted on Wednesday — thanks in part to the quick response of a school resource officer, who shot a gunman before anyone else was harmed. The authorities in Dixon, Ill., said the officer, Mark Dallas, was on duty at Dixon High School near a gymnasium, where students were gathered for a graduation rehearsal, when he heard gunshots at 8:06 a.m. He confronted the gunman, chased him out of the school and pursued him down a nearby street, the police said. The gunman, a student at the school identified as Matthew A. Milby, 19, of Dixon, shot at the officer but missed, the police said. Mr. Dallas returned fire and struck Mr. Milby, who was taken to a hospital for non-life-threatening injuries. “I could not be more proud of the police officer and the way he responded in this situation,” Dixon Police Chief Steve Howell said. “Because of his heroic actions, countless lives were saved. We are forever indebted to him for his service and his bravery.” Mr. Milby was under 24-hour surveillance at the hospital before he was transferred to Lee County Jail on Thursday, according to the Illinois State Police. He was charged with three counts of aggravated discharge of a firearm, a felony, with bond set at $2 million. The police said his mother purchased the weapon, a 9-millimeter semiautomatic rifle, in 2012. His mother, Julie Milby, told KWQC-TV that her son had been kicked off the football team for smoking marijuana and had recently been beaten up as other children watched. She suspects he was trying to get the police to kill him, she said. “I wouldn’t have dreamed he would do this in a million years,” she said. Officer Dallas has been with the Dixon Police Department for 15 years and has 24 total years of law enforcement experience, the police said. He has spent five years as the school’s dedicated officer. He was placed on administrative leave after the shooting, as per policy. The officer’s performance attracted widespread praise, including from Vice President Mike Pence. He said on Twitter that it was “another example of the brave work performed by law enforcement each and every day.” “Lives were saved thanks to the heroic actions of school resource officer Mark Dallas,” Mr. Pence wrote. The Illinois governor, Bruce Rauner, also praised Officer Dallas on Twitter. ... The police said the students and staff members “responded to the situation extremely well,” adhering to training by barricading classrooms with desks, bookcases and other objects. “Our kids did a fantastic job, our staff did a fantastic job, our resource officer did a fantastic job,” Mike Grady, the school’s principal, said at a news conference on Wednesday, according to NBC Chicago. “It was a situation where this is the best possible outcome we could have.” “A lot of things went right today when a great many of them could have gone wrong,” Mayor Liandro Arellano Jr. of Dixon said at a news conference on Wednesday.
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Post by gordy on May 18, 2018 21:13:23 GMT -5
And yet another school shooting event......averaging one per week now.......and only more prayers and condolences from the WH. I guess it is becoming part of the norm for attending High School in the US. www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/us/school-shooting-santa-fe-texas.htmlCome November there will be so great a noise coming from grad students and their parents, relatives and friends that every REP member currently sitting that continues to turn their back on some gun reform had better start looking for a new job.......the broom is on its way for a House cleaning. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 8:39:48 GMT -5
It is a real shame that so many schools still allow unfettered access, this time to a man carrying a shotgun.
Where my grand kids attend public school, and their mom teaches, there is only one door that can be opened (without a key) from the outside. That opens onto the lobby where you only have access to an office.
In there you can sign in (please note the sign informing everyone that the staff may be armed), then the attendant will open the door leading into the school.
How easy would it be for congress (under any president and with any mix of parties) to tie federal school funds to a requirement that the school first controls access in the same manner?
Too many fools want to make it about the tool, but unless you control access, everything else is moot.
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Post by Socal Fan on May 19, 2018 9:38:33 GMT -5
It is a real shame that so many schools still allow unfettered access, this time to a man carrying a shotgun. The shooter was a student. The only way to enforce security in schools would be to implement something like what the TSA does in airports. The costs would be enormous. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 11:17:23 GMT -5
It is a real shame that so many schools still allow unfettered access, this time to a man carrying a shotgun. The shooter was a student. The only way to enforce security in schools would be to implement something like what the TSA does in airports. The costs would be enormous. So, better to allowed unfettered access then? The school I mentioned above is public, in a rural county, no huge tax base to draw on, so if they can establish anentry control point on their budget, I think the rest are just making excuses. And yes, even though a student, it isn't difficult to have the resource officer man the ECP in the mornings, nor are metal detectors than expensive. |
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Post by gordy on May 19, 2018 11:22:42 GMT -5
It is a real shame that so many schools still allow unfettered access, this time to a man carrying a shotgun. Where my grand kids attend public school, and their mom teaches, there is only one door that can be opened (without a key) from the outside. That opens onto the lobby where you only have access to an office. In there you can sign in (please note the sign informing everyone that the staff may be armed), then the attendant will open the door leading into the school. How easy would it be for congress (under any president and with any mix of parties) to tie federal school funds to a requirement that the school first controls access in the same manner? Too many fools want to make it about the tool, but unless you control access, everything else is moot. Wow the inventor of the silver bullet has solved the gun violence problem by concluding that all schools be forced to adopt restricted entrances to reduce and control access to the school. Doesn't matter if it might conflict with safety issues concerning mass evacuation in the event of fire or earthquake so long as it achieves restriction of loose cannons with weapons. Since when is an assault rifle with a 30 round clip deemed to be a "tool". The sole purpose of such an instrument is defined by the name "assault". The real fools are those that think ownership of any type of weapon is justifiable under the 2nd amendment and that there should be zero limits or restrictions around the magnitude or destructive capability. I knew of a Major that was a gun enthusiast that capped his collection off with the acquisition of a 105mm howitzer (minus firing pin and breach block). However it is possible for a good armourer to fabricate the missing components. Of course munitions might be more difficult to acquire but not impossible.
It is not likely that 2nd amendment will be repealed any time soon but certainly some restrictions could be made around not only "who" may purchase a weapon but also what weapons may be purchased. An easy first step to putting some caveats around the 2nd amendment would be to have a national referendum about whether caveats are needed to enhance the provisions of the 2nd amendment to improve the safety of the general public.
School kids today are far from stupid as what they are required to learn and know in order to survive in today's environment far surpasses what was required to many of us here on this forum. If today's people in power do not take some very serious steps to reduce gun violence then they will find that today's youth will show them how a restricted door accessing the seats of power actually works. I believe that this November will be a true wake-up call for members of the House that seek re-election. |
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Post by Socal Fan on May 19, 2018 11:37:51 GMT -5
It is not likely that 2nd amendment will be repealed any time soon but certainly some restrictions could be made Agreed. No reasonable person wants to repeal the 2nd amendment. However, since America has de facto militias everywhere, it makes a lot of sense for them to be "well regulated". I believe the 2nd amendment doesn't just permit regulation, it REQUIRES it. The appropriate amount of regulation varies as necessary; but it seems to me that more is needed at the present time. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 12:10:43 GMT -5
Have literacy rates in the west and north truly dropped so precipitously?  I wrote about an ENTRY control point, and doors that cannot be opened from OUTSIDE without a key, neither, inexpensive, item prevents a quick EXIT, but both prevent unfettered ENTRY. I suspect even in Canada, y'all are smart enough to know that, so I suspect you are merely ignoring the obvious to push an agenda. By the way, if you take the time to do a little research, you'll find the term "assault" rifle has been seriously mis-applied by those who have an unreasonable fear of inanimate objects and seek to demonize them so that others can be convinced of their inherent evil. The "AR" as in "AR15" is an abbreviation for Armalite Rifle, a designation coined by the company who developed Eugene Stoner's design into a finished product over 50 years ago. All of their designs bore the ARxx designation, even their shotgun, but again, let's not let facts get in the way of a good agenda. |
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