Corona

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How to make your own face mask. No sewing required.

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Vaccination rate needed to control Covid (here Germany)

Should be the same in USA

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Except for those with specific individual medical reasons not to, getting vaccinated is a very good idea, not just for them but for anyone they might otherwise expose.

That said, only a tyrant would REQUIRE anything like universal vaccination. Military or other government employees, yes; as a PRIVATE condition of working at or regularly attending a particular facility, fine. But government is ALWAYS EVIL when it uses excessive power. And enough power to solve major problems is USUALLY excessive.

Yes, there are some risks. Insofar as they're known and treatable and generally temporary, they're less than the risk without vaccination.

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Jul 8, 2021 9:26:38 GMT -5 BOGC said:

only a tyrant would REQUIRE anything like universal vaccination.

1. Should Typhoid Mary, an asymptomatic carrier, have to right to do as she pleases?

2. Should states be allowed to mandate vaccinations for kids in public schools?

3. Should the US be allowed to mandate vaccinations for Americans returning from abroad?

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Jul 8, 2021 9:51:06 GMT -5 Socal Fan said:

Jul 8, 2021 9:26:38 GMT -5 BOGC said:

only a tyrant would REQUIRE anything like universal vaccination.

1. So you think Typhoid Mary, an asymptomatic carrier, should have to right to do as she pleases?

2. Should states be allowed to mandate vaccinations for kids in public schools?

3. Should the US be allowed to mandate vaccinations for Americans returning from abroad?

1. No, she should be quarantined.

2. Sort of, as they do now for other diseases, and with exceptions. Note however that states are NOT the federal government; states actually have the authority to do some things that the federal government does not.

3. No, but 14-day self-quarantine would not be unreasonable if they were not vaccinated prior to travel, or at least 14 days prior to return, with an approved vaccine.

But basically yeah, I think everyone should assume everyone else is a potential carrier of anything and everything possible, and take whatever precautions they deem necessary (and possible) rather than requiring everyone else to take precautions.

There are idiot drivers, and licensing doesn't prevent that. Expand that concept to all areas of life, and somehow it still seems to be the case. Your safety (and that of your minor dependents) is YOUR responsibility, not everyone else's, not "a village", not the government. And yes, liberty is more important than safety, even if that fails to minimize the body count.

edit: sometimes, AFTER someone's negligence causes harm, they can be held responsible. But before it actually causes harm, or without specific proof, in the case of something like vaccination that's intrusive on one's very body, it's a bit much to require in advance that they take measures to minimize risk to others.

edit 2: one difference regarding 2 above  (and other attempts at mandates) is that so far, the COVID-19 vaccines are authorized under an Emergency Use Authorization rather than a full approval. Under the circumstances, making them widely available much sooner made sense; but that doesn't mean mandating them also makes equal sense. On the other hand, the very widespread use of vaccines approved under the EUA might - I don't know - provide enough data to make possible full approval sooner than usual. But right now, we're still discovering cautions and side-effects.