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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 21:16:03 GMT -5
Well, just for the record, Grace doesn't use auto-tune, both she and her manager have said so. She does use reverb and other effects in some of her studio recordings, but if you spend much time reading comments on her videos you'll find most fans prefer her live versions to her recordings. She doesn't lip-synch live performances either, by the way, and in fact makes it a point to change something to make it obvious she isn't doing so. The comparisons between her and Jackie are silly, since they are obviously in a different place musically. I like to listen to both of them for very different reasons, but don't waste my time trying to compare or contrast them. Tidbits, it does not matter what anyone claims is or is not being done, I have listen to Grace's "Clearly" video, and my two GOOD ears tell me everything I need to know. It is fine with me if she becomes known as the Queen of Pop, or the Queen of Music for that matter. To all that I say, you go girl. No difference if it is her or someone else. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 31, 2018 16:09:12 GMT -5
Jackie does not need, or use any auto-tuning Well, just for the record, Grace doesn't use auto-tune The truth is that most people in the public don't particularly care about autotune, one way or another. Actually, many people like the sound effects of autotune, which is why autotune is used in many recordings. A few years ago, there was a movement to label recordings as "free of autotune" or words to that effect. IIRC, Jackie was also involved in that movement. But that movement died when it became clear that nobody much cared. These days, there is a large amount of digital manipulation in recordings and audiences seem to like it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 19:21:13 GMT -5
Jackie does not need, or use any auto-tuning Well, just for the record, Grace doesn't use auto-tune The truth is that most people in the public don't particularly care about autotune, one way or another. Actually, many people like the sound effects of autotune, which is why autotune is used in many recordings. LOL you either are ignorant of the Truth, or in denial. The masses like what they have been made to like. It was killed by the Entertainment Industrial Complex because it did not conform with their long years of dumbing down the general public. They make the stars, and very few of them can sing. Actual music lovers were the ones pushing for it, but they have no say. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Aug 3, 2018 0:04:30 GMT -5
We are in full agreement. The masses like what they have been made to like. My point exactly. The masses like autotune. Actual music lovers were the ones pushing for it, but they have no say. Also my point. The masses don't care what the "actual music lovers" think. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 4:49:22 GMT -5
We are in full agreement. The masses like what they have been made to like. My point exactly. The masses like autotune. Actual music lovers were the ones pushing for it, but they have no say. Also my point. The masses don't care what the "actual music lovers" think. And to my point, we are not in your group, the mindless masses. |
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Post by BOGC on Aug 3, 2018 7:35:38 GMT -5
We are in full agreement. The masses like what they have been made to like. My point exactly. The masses like autotune. Actual music lovers were the ones pushing for it, but they have no say. Also my point. The masses don't care what the "actual music lovers" think. Don't expect it to matter to someone who actually has a brain and uses it independently, what the sheeple of the world like or don't like, except for the very narrow case of obtaining maximum $$ from the sheeple. Any other measure of success (of which there are many) would better be achieved by ignoring the vermin, rather than giving them bread and circuses. Jerry Springer, or "Married With Children": examples of why eugenics might be a good idea after all.  |
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Post by Socal Fan on Aug 3, 2018 9:20:02 GMT -5
And to my point, we are not in your group, the mindless masses. Don't expect it to matter to someone who actually has a brain and uses it independently Agreed. The opinions of the mindless masses are irrelevant to the "independent actual music lovers". And vice versa. But if Jackie's career ends, it will be because not enough mindless masses like her singing and there are not enough "independent actual music lovers" following her niche of singing. I'm here to see what plays out. |
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Post by richard on Aug 3, 2018 16:54:52 GMT -5
And to my point, we are not in your group, the mindless masses. Don't expect it to matter to someone who actually has a brain and uses it independently Agreed. The opinions of the mindless masses are irrelevant to the "independent actual music lovers". And vice versa. But if Jackie's career ends, it will be because not enough mindless masses like her singing and there are not enough "independent actual music lovers" following her niche of singing. I'm here to see what plays out. I see people are already making excuses for Jackie's failing career, if her career fails it is because of a lot of reasons stated here and on Amazon and even before that. You have to look at how much Jackie put back into her career and it was the minimum amount at most, there have been plenty written about artist who had mom and pop managers and it seems Lisa and Mike are no exceptions. I said a long time ago that if Jackie fails she really didn't put that much into her career. If any of the so called ribbon twirlers fail at least they tried as hard as they can.
Move over Millie Bobby Brown your multi-million dollar contracts may not put you in Maddie's number one paid best friend spot. The so called ribbon twirlers learned a couple of year ago to just use dancing as a stepping stone to other things. Why couldn't Jackie have done the same thing when she was the most popular. Several reasons she only surrounded herself with people that only knew the CC music industry and even worse her parents became her managers and didn't have a clue about any of the entertainment industry and weren't willing to pay for those that did know.
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Post by BOGC on Aug 3, 2018 19:12:02 GMT -5
Agreed. The opinions of the mindless masses are irrelevant to the "independent actual music lovers". And vice versa. But if Jackie's career ends, it will be because not enough mindless masses like her singing and there are not enough "independent actual music lovers" following her niche of singing. I'm here to see what plays out. I see people are already making excuses for Jackie's failing career, if her career fails it is because of a lot of reasons stated here and on Amazon and even before that. You have to look at how much Jackie put back into her career and it was the minimum amount at most, there have been plenty written about artist who had mom and pop managers and it seems Lisa and Mike are no exceptions. I said a long time ago that if Jackie fails she really didn't put that much into her career. If any of the so called ribbon twirlers fail at least they tried as hard as they can.
Move over Millie Bobby Brown your multi-million dollar contracts may not put you in Maddie's number one paid best friend spot. The so called ribbon twirlers learned a couple of year ago to just use dancing as a stepping stone to other things. Why couldn't Jackie have done the same thing when she was the most popular. Several reasons she only surrounded herself with people that only knew the CC music industry and even worse her parents became her managers and didn't have a clue about any of the entertainment industry and weren't willing to pay for those that did know.
Could they have been more effective, even without selling out to the unwashed ignorant masses? Sure. Did they want to? They probably wanted the benefits, but not the level of impact on their lives it would have taken, or they'd have done more. Regardless, it's enough for now, to keep going. And if and when she/they feel like it, it's not rocket science to take the promotion up a notch. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Aug 3, 2018 19:30:33 GMT -5
They probably wanted the benefits, but not the level of impact on their lives it would have taken, or they'd have done more. That implies that Mike and Lisa planned everything out from the beginning. I think showbiz is far too unpredictable for that. The existence of Growing Up Evancho demonstrates that Mike and Lisa are willing to tolerate a very large amount of intrusion into their lives in order to reap the benefits of fame. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Aug 3, 2018 19:51:39 GMT -5
eugenics might be a good idea after all. I very much support eugenics. Of course, I would be the one making the rules on how eugenics would be implemented. There would be no appeals or exceptions since my rules are fair and optimal. |
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Post by richard on Aug 3, 2018 19:57:19 GMT -5
They probably wanted the benefits, but not the level of impact on their lives it would have taken, or they'd have done more. That implies that Mike and Lisa planned everything out from the beginning. I think showbiz is far too unpredictable for that. The existence of Growing Up Evancho demonstrates that Mike and Lisa are willing to tolerate a very large amount of intrusion into their lives in order to reap the benefits of fame. You got that right, they film 65 hours a week for 1hr of air time. Didn't seem to bother them then and you know TLC told them up front exactly what it would mean to get the reality show. Look how much was just shown on the one episode. If they got their reality show the kids would have to give up school and TLC would have hired them a tutor.
So much for the normal life style Jackie OTTs always claimed was so important.
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Post by richard on Aug 9, 2018 14:49:34 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 10:26:37 GMT -5
A talent and team who know how to treat the fans:
From Grace V.'s Instagram account: "i just really want to thank you guys for being so patient with me and my music- - im writing so much that i wish i could just share with you right now but i want my new music to be perfect and produced for you to hear and ive been having less and less time to get into the studio- -i just got off tour, im home, and then ! just like that ! Im leaving to shoot a movie in New Mexico!!!!! These are all exciting things but they also mean i don’t have as much time to record what ive been making- - - please just hold on a little longer and I really hope you all like what I’ve made. Thank you for your patience?
A short video from Love Loud Music Festival:
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Post by richard on Aug 16, 2018 12:35:40 GMT -5
A talent and team who know how to treat the fans: From Grace V.'s Instagram account: "i just really want to thank you guys for being so patient with me and my music- - im writing so much that i wish i could just share with you right now but i want my new music to be perfect and produced for you to hear and ive been having less and less time to get into the studio- -i just got off tour, im home, and then ! just like that ! Im leaving to shoot a movie in New Mexico!!!!! These are all exciting things but they also mean i don’t have as much time to record what ive been making- - - please just hold on a little longer and I really hope you all like what I’ve made. Thank you for your patience? A short video from Love Loud Music Festival: The girl is going far, not because of her voice but her personality the way she warms up a crowd, the way she communicates with her fans on social media, her song writing ability she probably walks around giving off the vibs that anyone can just walk up to her and get a selfie with her and not feel like they are imposing on her. Like the the others that I have mentioned she wants to do it all and is even going to be in a movie. Seems the only thing against her is time, there is only 24 hours in day for her to do the things she wants to do. When asked in an interview at what age would she like to leave home she said right now even though she would continue to see her family a lot.
Shows she is very independent, Jackie at 18 still seems to be leashed to her family and has no desire to be independent.
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