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Post by donkey on Jul 22, 2024 21:41:09 GMT -5
The head of the Secret Service bombed so bad at today’s hearing both Democrats and Republicans members of the hearing demanded she resign her position! She was terrible and needs to resign. How can anyone trust the Secret Service now since they left the most obvious, wide-open line-of-sight location unattended? They pretty much held a welcome mat sign out for the sniper. Unbelievable! Correct, this was a catastrophic failure and the buck stops with her. There is no confidence in her leadership....she has to go, despite democrats recent history of paying lip service to accepting responsibility for incompetence but then never resigning or being fired for it. Accepting responsibility for this level of failure means your butt is out the door...immediately. She hasn't figured that out yet apparently. lol
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Post by 1 Guest on Jul 22, 2024 21:42:37 GMT -5
My comments were not directed to vaccines in general - they were isolated towards the COVID vaccine. It's hard to understand how someone could say the COVID vaccine was effective, when people still got COVID after taking the vaccine and the boosters. It was therefore ineffective. Vaccines are vaccines...you dont get to pick the one you want to be conspiratorial about and ignore the rest. It doesnt work that way. And you stating utter nonsense again doesn't validate your position in the slightest. It wasnt a coincidence that covid deaths dropped precipitously once mass vaccinations started. And of course, no, more didnt get covid who were vaccinated...that is beyond a dumb assertion. And vaccinations reduced the chances of getting covid, and dramatically reduced the severity of the symptoms if you did get it. Other vaccines do the exact same thing. They save many lives, and the covid vaccines were no different. So yes, the covid vaccines were statistically very safe and HIGHLY effective, despite your bizarre need for it not to be so. lol No, they're not. You really should do some research on the difference.
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Post by donkey on Jul 22, 2024 21:43:44 GMT -5
Vaccines are vaccines...you dont get to pick the one you want to be conspiratorial about and ignore the rest. It doesnt work that way. And you stating utter nonsense again doesn't validate your position in the slightest. It wasnt a coincidence that covid deaths dropped precipitously once mass vaccinations started. And of course, no, more didnt get covid who were vaccinated...that is beyond a dumb assertion. And vaccinations reduced the chances of getting covid, and dramatically reduced the severity of the symptoms if you did get it. Other vaccines do the exact same thing. They save many lives, and the covid vaccines were no different. So yes, the covid vaccines were statistically very safe and HIGHLY effective, despite your bizarre need for it not to be so. lol No, they're not. You really should do some research on the difference. Yes, they accomplish the same thing is my point. And yes, I am fully aware of the science behind these new types of vaccines. Now, the valid debate would be, whether it necessary for everyone to take it, or should it have been restricted to those who were at most risk of serious complications, like the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions, or people working closely with them like medical health professionals.
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Post by 1 Guest on Jul 22, 2024 21:47:55 GMT -5
No, they're not. You really should do some research on the difference. Yes, they accomplish the same thing is my point. And yes, I am fully aware of the science behind these new types of vaccines. If you're fully aware, then why claim that vaccines are vaccines when you know they're entirely different.
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Post by donkey on Jul 22, 2024 21:52:19 GMT -5
Yes, they accomplish the same thing is my point. And yes, I am fully aware of the science behind these new types of vaccines. If you're fully aware, then why claim that vaccines are vaccines when you know they're entirely different. Because the way they are the same is they lessen your chance of getting the virus, and if you do catch it, it mitigates the chances of severe symptoms. I think that was pretty obvious as that was the aspect I was discussing. I never even touched on the science behind the different vaccines, except perhaps in a general sense to say that they are statistically safe. There is zero evidence that the new mRNA vaccines are any more dangerous statistically than any other vaccine. A vaccine is a vaccine in terms of their purpose and to varying degrees, their results.
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Jul 22, 2024 22:13:24 GMT -5
My comments were not directed to vaccines in general - they were isolated towards the COVID vaccine. It's hard to understand how someone could say the COVID vaccine was effective, when people still got COVID after taking the vaccine and the boosters. It was therefore ineffective. Vaccines are vaccines...you dont get to pick the one you want to be conspiratorial about and ignore the rest. It doesnt work that way. And you stating utter nonsense again doesn't validate your position in the slightest. It wasnt a coincidence that covid deaths dropped precipitously once mass vaccinations started. And of course, no, more didnt get covid who were vaccinated...that is beyond a dumb assertion. And vaccinations reduced the chances of getting covid, and dramatically reduced the severity of the symptoms if you did get it. Other vaccines do the exact same thing. They save many lives, and the covid vaccines were no different. So yes, the covid vaccines were statistically very safe and HIGHLY effective, despite your bizarre need for it not to be so. lol I rely on facts to form my opinions, thank you. Because you desire to say that the COVID vaccine was safe and effective doesn't make it so. The COVID vaccine was definitely effective, but not in the ways intended. This topic has been discussed ad nauseum in the forum. Killer Jab? 24% Say Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccine
Nearly a quarter of Americans believe someone they know died from COVID-19 vaccine side effects, and even more say they might be willing to become plaintiffs in a class-action lawsuit against vaccine makers. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 24% of American Adults say they know someone personally who died from side effects of the COVID-19 vaccine. Sixty-nine percent (69%) don’t know anyone who died from being vaccinated against the virus. (To see survey question wording, click here.) www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/public_surveys/killer_jab_24_say_someone_they_know_died_from_covid_19_vaccineWhy Do Vaccinated People Represent Most COVID-19 Deaths Right Now? Published: Nov 30, 2022The share of COVID-19 deaths among those who are vaccinated has risen. In fall 2021, about 3 in 10 adults dying of COVID-19 were vaccinated or boosted. But by January 2022, as we showed in an analysis posted on the Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker, about 4 in 10 deaths were vaccinated or boosted. By April 2022, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data show that about 6 in 10 adults dying of COVID-19 were vaccinated or boosted, and that’s remained true through at least August 2022 (the most recent month of data). www.kff.org/policy-watch/why-do-vaccinated-people-represent-most-covid-19-deaths-right-now/Yes, those are the CDC numbers, not my bizarre theories. If that's what you call very safe and HIGHLY effective, go ahead and believe what you want. Write a letter to the CDC and tell them their reports are nonsense if you want to stay adamant about it. It's not my mission in life to change your mind.
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Post by richard on Jul 22, 2024 22:33:50 GMT -5
What about the mask that they forced down our throats, Everyone I know wore the damn mask and everyone I know ended up getting Covid anyways. I myself got it twice and if it wasn't for those test they sent out I would have thought I just had a mild flu.
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Post by donkey on Jul 22, 2024 22:55:07 GMT -5
Vaccines are vaccines...you dont get to pick the one you want to be conspiratorial about and ignore the rest. It doesnt work that way. And you stating utter nonsense again doesn't validate your position in the slightest. It wasnt a coincidence that covid deaths dropped precipitously once mass vaccinations started. And of course, no, more didnt get covid who were vaccinated...that is beyond a dumb assertion. And vaccinations reduced the chances of getting covid, and dramatically reduced the severity of the symptoms if you did get it. Other vaccines do the exact same thing. They save many lives, and the covid vaccines were no different. So yes, the covid vaccines were statistically very safe and HIGHLY effective, despite your bizarre need for it not to be so. lol I rely on facts to form my opinions, thank you. Because you desire to say that the COVID vaccine was safe and effective doesn't make it so. The COVID vaccine was definitely effective, but not in the ways intended. This topic has been discussed ad nauseum in the forum. Killer Jab? 24% Say Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccine
Nearly a quarter of Americans believe someone they know died from COVID-19 vaccine side effects, and even more say they might be willing to become plaintiffs in a class-action lawsuit against vaccine makers. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 24% of American Adults say they know someone personally who died from side effects of the COVID-19 vaccine. Sixty-nine percent (69%) don’t know anyone who died from being vaccinated against the virus. (To see survey question wording, click here.) www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/public_surveys/killer_jab_24_say_someone_they_know_died_from_covid_19_vaccineWhy Do Vaccinated People Represent Most COVID-19 Deaths Right Now? Published: Nov 30, 2022The share of COVID-19 deaths among those who are vaccinated has risen. In fall 2021, about 3 in 10 adults dying of COVID-19 were vaccinated or boosted. But by January 2022, as we showed in an analysis posted on the Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker, about 4 in 10 deaths were vaccinated or boosted. By April 2022, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data show that about 6 in 10 adults dying of COVID-19 were vaccinated or boosted, and that’s remained true through at least August 2022 (the most recent month of data). www.kff.org/policy-watch/why-do-vaccinated-people-represent-most-covid-19-deaths-right-now/Yes, those are the CDC numbers, not my bizarre theories. If that's what you call very safe and HIGHLY effective, go ahead and believe what you want. Write a letter to the CDC and tell them their reports are nonsense if you want to stay adamant about it. It's not my mission in life to change your mind. Got it, Skippy. Covid vaccinations not only didn't save millions of lives, it gave people COVID. lol...use common sense. The anti-vax stuff is SO dumb. You can believe whatever you want, I don't care.
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Post by BOGC on Jul 22, 2024 23:00:23 GMT -5
My comments were not directed to vaccines in general - they were isolated towards the COVID vaccine. It's hard to understand how someone could say the COVID vaccine was effective, when people still got COVID after taking the vaccine and the boosters. It was therefore ineffective. Vaccines are vaccines...you dont get to pick the one you want to be conspiratorial about and ignore the rest. It doesnt work that way. And you stating utter nonsense again doesn't validate your position in the slightest. It wasnt a coincidence that covid deaths dropped precipitously once mass vaccinations started. And of course, no, more didnt get covid who were vaccinated...that is beyond a dumb assertion. And vaccinations reduced the chances of getting covid, and dramatically reduced the severity of the symptoms if you did get it. Other vaccines do the exact same thing. They save many lives, and the covid vaccines were no different. So yes, the covid vaccines were statistically very safe and HIGHLY effective, despite your bizarre need for it not to be so. lol I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, they're way more dramatic than real conspiracies (which have to be boring enough not to be noticed). But the top two COVID vaccines in the US (Pfizer and Moderna) are a new technology (mRNA) never before used outside the laboratory. I don't buy into all the craziness about how horrible they are, but it's not implausible that there are a few (as in a very low percentage, still a large number given the number of vaccinations administered) cases where they have unexpected or undesirable effects - as with anything else, except that with something new, the problems may be not perhaps more numerous, but also new or different. So it's IMO understandable that people might be concerned. In the long run, I suspect mRNA vaccines will become more prominent; the technology has a lot going for it, although perhaps needs further refinements.
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Jul 22, 2024 23:17:13 GMT -5
I rely on facts to form my opinions, thank you. Because you desire to say that the COVID vaccine was safe and effective doesn't make it so. The COVID vaccine was definitely effective, but not in the ways intended. This topic has been discussed ad nauseum in the forum. Killer Jab? 24% Say Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccine
Nearly a quarter of Americans believe someone they know died from COVID-19 vaccine side effects, and even more say they might be willing to become plaintiffs in a class-action lawsuit against vaccine makers. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 24% of American Adults say they know someone personally who died from side effects of the COVID-19 vaccine. Sixty-nine percent (69%) don’t know anyone who died from being vaccinated against the virus. (To see survey question wording, click here.) www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/public_surveys/killer_jab_24_say_someone_they_know_died_from_covid_19_vaccineWhy Do Vaccinated People Represent Most COVID-19 Deaths Right Now? Published: Nov 30, 2022The share of COVID-19 deaths among those who are vaccinated has risen. In fall 2021, about 3 in 10 adults dying of COVID-19 were vaccinated or boosted. But by January 2022, as we showed in an analysis posted on the Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker, about 4 in 10 deaths were vaccinated or boosted. By April 2022, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data show that about 6 in 10 adults dying of COVID-19 were vaccinated or boosted, and that’s remained true through at least August 2022 (the most recent month of data). www.kff.org/policy-watch/why-do-vaccinated-people-represent-most-covid-19-deaths-right-now/Yes, those are the CDC numbers, not my bizarre theories. If that's what you call very safe and HIGHLY effective, go ahead and believe what you want. Write a letter to the CDC and tell them their reports are nonsense if you want to stay adamant about it. It's not my mission in life to change your mind. Got it, Skippy. Covid vaccinations not only didn't save millions of lives, it gave people COVID. lol...use common sense. The anti-vax stuff is SO dumb. You can believe whatever you want, I don't care. Sorry you are either too slow or hard-headed to understand what the CDC reported. If you had some reading comprehension, the articles posted above say nothing about the vaccines giving people COVID. Placing your error in bold text doesn't prove your point either, bub. The CDC report said that 6 of 10 of those that died of COVID were vaxxed or boosted. Well, Skip, that means that only 4 out of 10 that died were unvaxxed, according to the CDC. That proves that COVID vaccines were causing more damage than good. Obviously you do care, because you keep dragging out your stupid insults and can't stand it when someone proves you wrong with evidence. Find some evidence that backs your claims. You should be able to do your own research. Then you might be taken seriously, Skip. lol
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Post by donkey on Jul 22, 2024 23:18:30 GMT -5
Vaccines are vaccines...you dont get to pick the one you want to be conspiratorial about and ignore the rest. It doesnt work that way. And you stating utter nonsense again doesn't validate your position in the slightest. It wasnt a coincidence that covid deaths dropped precipitously once mass vaccinations started. And of course, no, more didnt get covid who were vaccinated...that is beyond a dumb assertion. And vaccinations reduced the chances of getting covid, and dramatically reduced the severity of the symptoms if you did get it. Other vaccines do the exact same thing. They save many lives, and the covid vaccines were no different. So yes, the covid vaccines were statistically very safe and HIGHLY effective, despite your bizarre need for it not to be so. lol I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, they're way more dramatic than real conspiracies (which have to be boring enough not to be noticed). But the top two COVID vaccines in the US (Pfizer and Moderna) are a new technology (mRNA) never before used outside the laboratory. I don't buy into all the craziness about how horrible they are, but it's not implausible that there are a few (as in a very low percentage, still a large number given the number of vaccinations administered) cases where they have unexpected or undesirable effects - as with anything else, except that with something new, the problems may be not perhaps more numerous, but also new or different. So it's IMO understandable that people might be concerned. In the long run, I suspect mRNA vaccines will become more prominent; the technology has a lot going for it, although perhaps needs further refinements. Yes, a statistically tiny number of people have bad reactions to any vaccine.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Jul 23, 2024 1:53:02 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, they're way more dramatic than real conspiracies (which have to be boring enough not to be noticed). But the top two COVID vaccines in the US (Pfizer and Moderna) are a new technology (mRNA) never before used outside the laboratory. I don't buy into all the craziness about how horrible they are, but it's not implausible that there are a few (as in a very low percentage, still a large number given the number of vaccinations administered) cases where they have unexpected or undesirable effects - as with anything else, except that with something new, the problems may be not perhaps more numerous, but also new or different. So it's IMO understandable that people might be concerned. In the long run, I suspect mRNA vaccines will become more prominent; the technology has a lot going for it, although perhaps needs further refinements. Yes, a statistically tiny number of people have bad reactions to any vaccine. Yes, and the kind of old „Astrazeneca“ had more bad reactions..especially by young females Btw. we all have to be thankful..that there were Covid vaccines..normally it lasts up to 10 years or longer to create, produce a vaccine..millions and millions would have died..or far more seriously ill.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 23, 2024 7:37:22 GMT -5
What about the mask that they forced down our throats I think you are wearing your mask wrong. You may want to re-read the instructions.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 23, 2024 8:09:19 GMT -5
Too bad the parents of those advocating unlimited abortion did not exercise that "right". You are the one always spouting freedom and liberty. What is more fundamental to freedom and liberty than the right for anyone to do what they want to with their body? The parents of those advocating unlimited abortion did not exercise that right. They obviously did the right thing. Because they produced offspring who fought against those those who want to remove the right of people to do what they want their own bodies.
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Post by 1 guest on Jul 23, 2024 8:37:18 GMT -5
Too bad the parents of those advocating unlimited abortion did not exercise that "right". You are the one always spouting freedom and liberty. What is more fundamental to freedom and liberty than the right for anyone to do what they want to with their body? But it's not the mother who is being ripped apart , alive, so she can be pulled through a narrow canal.
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