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Post by colt46 on Jul 27, 2024 20:33:06 GMT -5
Biden’s Supreme Court nominee and is on the court can’t define what a woman is!
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Jul 27, 2024 20:41:29 GMT -5
If one gets pregnant, unless necessary to terminate the pregnancy to survive, one has an obligation to carry to term, whether or not one wants the child. Excecute rapists and absentee fathers that don't provide child support. I have no problem with squeezing money out of deadbeats...before executing them. Maybe even letting them live as long as they pay. ... NOBODY should get "free" (no such thing, it's stolen from someone else via taxes, or it's inflation, which steals from everyone) stuff from the government. ... Being pro-life does NOT mean being in favor of all needs met for everyone by society. Parasites should be left to die, and shot if they riot. If you want there to be charity, let it be VOLUNTARY AND PRIVATE. To sum up your position: - All pregnant women must carry their fetuses to birth unless their life is threatened. - If she is too poor to care for herself and the child before and after birth, she will get no government help. She must get voluntary private assistance. If she cannot get enough private assistance, she and her child (born or unborn) should be left to die. - If the father of her child cannot afford to support her and the child, he should be executed. ------------------------------------------------------------ It has been said that conservatives give the highest priority to the unborn and the lowest priority to the born. Which explains why there is so much poverty, destitution, homelessness, crime and substance abuse in the world's richest country. The unborn have rights, the only right that the born have is the right to lifelong misery. The Supreme Irony1. You say "Parasites should be left to die". But the fetus is the ultimate of parasitical beings. It is literally a blood sucker. 2. You say "If you want there to be charity, let it be VOLUNTARY AND PRIVATE." Yet you compel the mother to literally give her life blood to the fetus. As far as I understand it, a parasite is an organism that feeds of the host. A parasite is generally unwanted by the host. One difference between a parasite that lives off a non-human host and a parasite that lives off a human host is that the human host had a chance to never get the parasite in the first place. In the case of the human parasite, aren't we leaving out the personal responsibilty of the woman and her husband/boyfriend?
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 27, 2024 20:41:39 GMT -5
Congratulation for saying 2 lies in 1 word. "Murder" is the illegal killing of a human being. We are talking only about legal abortions. And fetuses are not human beings - they don't have birth certificates or passports, they aren't counted in censuses, they can't own property or sue or be sued. A fetus is not a human being if one decides to derive the definition of how the the government treats it. The government gets a lot of things wrong like defining what a woman is. The law is the law whether you agree or disagree. If you don't like it, change it. And if you change it, then the new law is the law. Whether anybody agrees or disagrees.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 27, 2024 20:48:42 GMT -5
As far as I understand it, a parasite is an organism that feeds of the host. A parasite is generally unwanted by the host. One difference between a parasite that lives off a non-human host and a parasite that lives off a human host is that the human host had a chance to never get the parasite in the first place. In the case of the human parasite, aren't we leaving out the personal responsibilty of the woman and her husband/boyfriend? Biology defines "parasite" by its function. Whether is is wanted and how it got there are totally irrelevant to its definition.
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Jul 27, 2024 21:04:14 GMT -5
As far as I understand it, a parasite is an organism that feeds of the host. A parasite is generally unwanted by the host. One difference between a parasite that lives off a non-human host and a parasite that lives off a human host is that the human host had a chance to never get the parasite in the first place. In the case of the human parasite, aren't we leaving out the personal responsibilty of the woman and her husband/boyfriend? Biology defines "parasite" by its function. Whether is is wanted and how it got there are totally irrelevant to its definition. OK, I can go with that. But in the case of a fetus, the humans could have prevented from acquring the "parasite" in the first place and they should take responsibility for their decisions. With out using proper birth control, in effect, the woman is saying "I'll think I'll put a parasite in my belly"
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Jul 27, 2024 21:12:49 GMT -5
Biology defines "parasite" by its function. Whether is is wanted and how it got there are totally irrelevant to its definition. OK, I can go with that. But in the case of a fetus, the humans could have prevented from acquring the "parasite" in the first place and they should take responsibility for their decisions. With out using proper birth control, in effect, the woman is saying "I'll think I'll put a parasite in my belly" And the man is saying "I'll help"
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Post by donkey on Jul 27, 2024 21:22:00 GMT -5
OK, I can go with that. But in the case of a fetus, the humans could have prevented from acquring the "parasite" in the first place and they should take responsibility for their decisions. With out using proper birth control, in effect, the woman is saying "I'll think I'll put a parasite in my belly" And the man is saying "I'll help" Kind of sad to help justify the killing of a human fetus in one's own mind by thinking of it as a "parasite", along the lines of some sort of parasitic worm. A seven, eight, and nine month old fetus is technically a "parasite" too, as its living off it's host. But we all agree that it's pretty much a fully formed human being by then and is thus off limits in terms of aborting it. Thinking of a human fetus as merely a parasite is pretty cold and rather dark. I think it's a lot more than just that. It's a developing human offspring.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 27, 2024 21:34:14 GMT -5
But in the case of a fetus, the humans could have prevented from acquiring the "parasite" in the first place and they should take responsibility for their decisions. That is true in a perfect world. But in the real world, contraception often fails or is used improperly or has side effects. And there are irresponsible teens in back seats of cars. And rapists. In a perfect world, there would be no need for abortion laws since every child would be wanted. And no need for drunk driving laws or drug laws. But we need pragmatic laws for the real world.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 27, 2024 21:37:15 GMT -5
Thinking of a human fetus as merely a parasite is pretty cold and rather dark. I think it's a lot more than just that. A wanted child is far more than just a parasite. But an unwanted child is just a parasite. And in the real world, there are lots of unwanted children.
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Jul 27, 2024 21:38:14 GMT -5
But in the case of a fetus, the humans could have prevented from acquiring the "parasite" in the first place and they should take responsibility for their decisions. That is true in a perfect world. But in the real world, contraception often fails or is used improperly or has side effects. And there are irresponsible teens in back seats of cars. And rapists.
In a perfect world, there would be no need for abortion laws since every child would be wanted. And no need for drunk driving laws or drug laws. But we need pragmatic laws for the real world. You've listed the exceptions, but in the real world, abortion is used as a convenience for birth control after the fact. I was once a parasite inside my mommy's tummy. I am no longer a parasite after I got kicked out of the womb. Yeah me!
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Jul 27, 2024 21:53:23 GMT -5
Thinking of a human fetus as merely a parasite is pretty cold and rather dark. I think it's a lot more than just that. A wanted child is far more than just a parasite. But an unwanted child is just a parasite. And in the real world, there are lots of unwanted children. Are you saying that a child can be a parasite after it is born?
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Post by colt46 on Jul 27, 2024 22:06:01 GMT -5
No justification for murder!
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Post by colt46 on Jul 27, 2024 22:08:09 GMT -5
I say again have you heard of adoption? There are organizations that will pay the expenses to someone who wants to give their child up for adoption so they are not out any money!
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Post by donkey on Jul 27, 2024 22:09:49 GMT -5
Thinking of a human fetus as merely a parasite is pretty cold and rather dark. I think it's a lot more than just that. Just because some might view an unwanted child as just a parasite, doesn't make that child merely a parasite. A mass murderer may view his victims as merely toys for his sick pleasure, but they are of course much more than that. A sick, twisted view by one person can be rejected by most reasonable people who are capable of showing empathy and compassion for others.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 27, 2024 22:13:28 GMT -5
they should take responsibility for their decisions You keep talking about how people should use birth control and take responsibility for their decisions. Shouldn't state and local governments also take responsibility for their decisions? The US is at the top of the list in the rate of teen pregnancies among developed countries. www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/adolescent-pregnancy-and-its-outcomes-across-countriesI suspect the high pregnancy rate is because many states don't teach birth control in schools. In fact, some or many states in the Bible belt banned the teaching of birth control and allow only abstinence to be taught. This is a wonderful idea in theory but a complete failure in practice that only results in pregnancies. How can you blame kids for getting pregnant if they were never taught birth control (and abstinence-only education didn't work)? These are the states by teen pregnancy rates: www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/teen-births/teenbirths.htmThe very same Bible belt states with the highest teen pregnancy rates are the same ones that have banned almost all abortions. I think a lot of the problem is caused by the bad policies driven by well meaning but faulty ideology.
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