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Post by msims on May 11, 2022 19:35:28 GMT -5
There is nothing about Bocelli Read my post again. I linked to my original post in the post you are responding to. The original argument you incorrectly made as Socalfan was that Jackie was unlucky that the category was eliminated, implying that she would have been qualified. I responded that the CC Category was for instrumentalists not CC Vocalists. Jackie is a mainstream CC Vocalist, look at the careers of the King Singers (acappella vocal ensemble) and Bryn Terfel (opera singer). CC is broad and there are artists who cross into the CC genre for an album project and that project could then be qualified as CC even though they are not CC artists. A mainstream CC vocalist everything they do is CC (they cross into other genres mainly pop), they bring a sound that can be considered "classical" but it is not classical to a huge mainstream audience and sell millions of albums. Jackie is among those artists who were never awarded much less qualified for a CC Grammy because likely they would only be considered pop. It takes a level of narcissism to think under an alias that you could use multiple aliases and that you should be treated credibility in the first place and especially when you resort to copying trolling talking points of a spammer who spams childrens behinds. That I should approve of those you spam who are not singers or im considered crazy. The spammed arent even qualified to open up for Jackie in concert or sing a duet with her. But thats entirely the point you do not respect them (so why should I?) or you would be in their fan groups talking about them rather then spamming them on a forum about a successful vocalist. To think Jackie's career has somehow failed at any point is baseless. It has nothing to do with who manages Jackie. Jackie is a vocalist who releases albums, tours on those albums and performs on tv. She has a Publicist as well who gets her on tv. As far as "OTT" the only OTT fans I saw were over a decade ago. Its living in the past to think she has such fans anymore. I respond to trolling as it is trolling. Updated: When you resort to ad hominem, then you are trolling. |
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Post by donkey on May 11, 2022 19:39:47 GMT -5
There is nothing about Bocelli Read my post again. I linked to my original post in the post you are responding to. The original argument you incorrectly made as Socalfan was that Jackie was unlucky that the category was eliminated, implying that she would have been qualified. I responded that the CC Category was for instrumentalists not CC Vocalists. Jackie is a mainstream CC Vocalist, look at the careers of the King Singers (acappella vocal ensemble) and Bryn Terfel (opera singer). CC is broad and there are artists who cross into the CC genre for an album project and that project could then be qualified as CC even though they are not CC artists. A mainstream CC vocalist everything they do is CC (they cross into other genres mainly pop), they bring a sound that can be considered "classical" but it is not classical to a huge mainstream audience and sell millions of albums. Jackie is among those artists who were never awarded much less qualified for a CC Grammy because likely they would only be considered pop. It takes a level of narcissism to think under an alias you should be treated credibility in the first place and especially when you resort to copying trolling talking points of a spammer who spams childrens behinds. That I should approve of those you spam who are not singers. They arent even qualified to open up for Jackie in concert or sing a duet with her. But thats entirely the argument you do not respect them or you would be in their fan groups talking about them rather then spamming them on a forum about a successful vocalist. To think Jackie's career has somehow failed at any point is baseless. It has nothing to do with who manages Jackie. Jackie is a vocalist who releases albums, tours on those albums and performs on tv. She has a Publicist as well who gets her on tv. As far as "OTT" the only OTT fans I saw were over a decade ago. Its living in the past to think she has such fans anymore. |
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Post by ChrisR on May 11, 2022 20:25:47 GMT -5
As far as "OTT" the only OTT fans I saw were over a decade ago. Its living in the past to think she has such fans anymore. I respond to trolling as it is trolling. Updated: When you resort to ad hominem, then you are trolling. The problem is you attack other artist in a personal way! You really have to look in the mirror before you accuse others of doing what you clearly have done yourself. I get that you don't like Grace V., but why do you feel the need to call her nasty names!? Could it be that you are still FUMING over the fact that Grace won AGT and Jackie didn't! I could make a strong case that you constantly are trolling this site when you personally attack posters and other artist. There might not be as many OTT JE fans as there use to be, but you still definitely represent them quite well. |
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Post by amg1977 on May 11, 2022 22:10:47 GMT -5
There is nothing about Bocelli Read my post again. I linked to my original post in the post you are responding to. The original argument you incorrectly made as Socalfan was that Jackie was unlucky that the category was eliminated, implying that she would have been qualified. I responded that the CC Category was for instrumentalists not CC Vocalists. Jackie is a mainstream CC Vocalist, look at the careers of the King Singers (acappella vocal ensemble) and Bryn Terfel (opera singer). CC is broad and there are artists who cross into the CC genre for an album project and that project could then be qualified as CC even though they are not CC artists. A mainstream CC vocalist everything they do is CC (they cross into other genres mainly pop), they bring a sound that can be considered "classical" but it is not classical to a huge mainstream audience and sell millions of albums. Jackie is among those artists who were never awarded much less qualified for a CC Grammy because likely they would only be considered pop. It takes a level of narcissism to think under an alias that you could use multiple aliases and that you should be treated credibility in the first place and especially when you resort to copying trolling talking points of a spammer who spams childrens behinds. That I should approve of those you spam who are not singers or im considered crazy. The spammed arent even qualified to open up for Jackie in concert or sing a duet with her. But thats entirely the point you do not respect them (so why should I?) or you would be in their fan groups talking about them rather then spamming them on a forum about a successful vocalist. To think Jackie's career has somehow failed at any point is baseless. It has nothing to do with who manages Jackie. Jackie is a vocalist who releases albums, tours on those albums and performs on tv. She has a Publicist as well who gets her on tv. As far as "OTT" the only OTT fans I saw were over a decade ago. Its living in the past to think she has such fans anymore. I respond to trolling as it is trolling. Here we have another example of Sims attempting to rewrite history. Let's recall that this all has to do with the CC Grammy. As I mentioned the whole thing began with Chris R's post here and Sims responded here where he stated "There was never a CC Vocalist Grammy, it was only instrumental." I then responded here. Please note the dates on these posts: Chrs R on April 10 while Sims post and my response were on April 18. Now Sims cites a link to a post claiming the original post was the one where he first mentioned Bocelli but that one (see here). But that post was on April 22 - a full four days after my initial response to Sims. Apparently, Chris R, Sims,and myself all boarded a time machine, went back four days and then carried on the debate ex ante facto. 
ALL TOGETHER NOW!!!
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Post by richard on May 11, 2022 22:36:58 GMT -5
I noticed that Jackie's team somehow got Talent Recap to turn of comments for what ever happened to Jackie Evancho Seems strange they didn't turn off comments for what ever happened to Angelica Hale, Darci Lynne Farmer, Grace Vanderwaal, Kodi Lee, Connie Talbot, Celine Tam, Shin Lim, Susan Boyle, Bianca Ryan, Joy Jerkins and many others. Just Jackie, if Jackie can't take the heat then she need to get out of the kitchen. Jackie gets a very small fraction of negative comments compared to most celebrities.
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Post by amg1977 on May 11, 2022 22:40:38 GMT -5
Could be some WiFi issues at the nursing homes. It's more likely that no one wants to listen to yet another cover of Both Sides Now. There is something to be said for that point as not only did Jackie's version have to compete with the original by Joni Mitchell and the most famous cover by Judy Collins, but also with another recent version by Emelia Jones. The latter was from an Academy Award winning movie Coda and Emilia Jones had the benefit of getting a thumbs uo by Joni.
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Post by amg1977 on May 11, 2022 22:49:36 GMT -5
Here are the four performances side-by-side:
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Post by eulenspiegel on May 12, 2022 6:15:52 GMT -5
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Post by eulenspiegel on May 12, 2022 6:29:25 GMT -5
Jackie Evanchos version is bad...a mediocre, lame arrangement...without real soul...singing and instruments don‘t fit...and she cannot improvise...her chord progressions often make no sense.
She does not have to say anything...its like singing the telephone book.
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Post by eulenspiegel on May 12, 2022 6:51:35 GMT -5
Nice singing is not enough....Jackie Evancho sings like a sanitizer...no real meaning...
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Post by amg1977 on May 12, 2022 7:22:23 GMT -5
He also lost another argument as his alias donkey made the mistake of citing Cryptic Lisa as a source. Lisa specifically said " pennies" and my argument originally and always had been that artists made "pennies" from streaming and their primary source of income is touring. Kanye West recently released a new album on his own streaming device. “I walked away from Apple right after having the most number 1’s in Apple history. Song Writers have been really hurt by streaming platforms.” The album isn't coming to "Apple, Amazon, Spotify, or YouTube," he said Thursday. "Today, artists get just 12% of the money the industry makes. It's time to free music from this oppressive system. It's time to take control and build our own."
Now I will wrap up with Sims' other attempt at revitalizing his failed argument. He keeps saying artists make "pennies" from streaming. Well, technically, any amount can be reduced to pennies but that misses the point. What is the cumulative payout - the end result? Sims originally gave multiple citations for the amounts people were paid by Spotify, so I will use the lowest one which is $1 per 315 streams. What Skyboy cannot get through his addled mind is that each that when someone buys a CD or LP, that is the only time the artist gets paid. If the buyer plays it every day for the next five years, they still only get paid one time. So naturally the payment will be higher in the initial release for a purchase since the service knows they need to pay for that song in perpetuity. But eventually, if the song keeps getting played, the artist ends up getting at least as much and probably more money in the long run. it just may take 5-10 years to reach that total. Now if the audience does not like the song, they will end up getting less money because people will not continue listening. If people really like the song, they will end up getting more money.
I find it amusing that for his evidence he cites a psychotic megalomaniac like Kanye West - a man so batsh!t crazy that even Kim Kardashian thought this guy was over the top and filed for divorce. Kanye West is just making a money grab because Kim is aiming for a major payday in the divorce settlement and child support. His own streaming service won't pay other artists more - just him. Others have tried this move and failed. By the way, making 12% of what the companies do is pretty much how it has always been. But the labels handled all the statistics in house since they manufactured the CDs, etc. Now they use a middleman (streaming services) who report statistics back to the artists and they realize how much money the label is getting. It's always been that way but artists didn't have a clue before.
In reality, let's take a look at what Kanye got from Spotify for his last album Donda. The total number of streams from the album is 1,635,965,922 which at $1 per 315 streams netted him $5,345,923.56 just on Spotify. So he got over 5 million dollars in just the few months since that albums' release. Even better, he will continue to get paid so long as people keep listening. Cry me a river, Kanye.
If Kanye really wanted to help artists get a better deal, they should do something like what happened with United Artists to break up the studio oligarchy. That is, have a bunch of major artists get together and form their own label that pays artists a better cut and begins with 5-10 major artists. Can you imagine if Taylor Swift, Kanye West, Adele, Arianna Grande, and other artists of that stature decided to take a stand and make a label that will be jointly owned by the signed artists? But artists are just as greedy as the labels so it will never happen.
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Post by Socal Fan on May 12, 2022 7:47:34 GMT -5
philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2022/03/31/ukraine-pop-star-anastasiya-petryk-refuge-philadelphia-russia-invasion/Since this thread specializes in blonde female Ukrainian child singers, here is news on another one. Anastasiya Petryk, who has been discussed from time to time in Amazon and this forum, has fled Ukraine and is now living in Philadelphia. She was very popular as a child but, like most others, has received little attention after outgrowing her childhood stardom. Jackie, who maintains her showbiz career into adulthood, is an exception.
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Post by johnnyb on May 12, 2022 9:37:09 GMT -5
philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2022/03/31/ukraine-pop-star-anastasiya-petryk-refuge-philadelphia-russia-invasion/Since this thread specializes in blonde female Ukrainian child singers, here is news on another one. Anastasiya Petryk, who has been discussed from time to time in Amazon and this forum, has fled Ukraine and is now living in Philadelphia. She was very popular as a child but, like most others, has received little attention after outgrowing her childhood stardom. Jackie, who maintains her showbiz career into adulthood, is an exception. Breaking news:: Jackie Evancho has been signed to sing at Trumps inauguration in 2025. 🤩 |
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Post by richard on May 12, 2022 10:03:00 GMT -5
philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2022/03/31/ukraine-pop-star-anastasiya-petryk-refuge-philadelphia-russia-invasion/Since this thread specializes in blonde female Ukrainian child singers, here is news on another one. Anastasiya Petryk, who has been discussed from time to time in Amazon and this forum, has fled Ukraine and is now living in Philadelphia. She was very popular as a child but, like most others, has received little attention after outgrowing her childhood stardom. Jackie, who maintains her showbiz career into adulthood, is an exception. Mainly the ones that just wanted to hold onto that little girl or boy image. There are a lot of Disney kids that made it big as adults, with Olivia Rodrigo and Jenna Ortega being two of the most recent.
Zendaya.
Ariana Grande. ... Selena Gomez. ... Nick Jonas. ... Joe Jonas. ... Keke Palmer. ... Hilary Duff. ... Miley Cyrus Sabrina Carpenter
and many more.
Quote: Jackie, who maintains her showbiz career into adulthood, is an exception.
Really Jackie's showbiz career seems to be a fraction of what it was and the trend seems to be going down hill.
It will continue to dwindle unless she can pick up some younger fans. But with this new album it seems she must be content with a base 3 times her age and only having a few small concerts a year.
This is the stage presence Jackie could have and the type of songs she should be singing.
But this is the stage presence Jackie has now and the type of songs she does. To bad she doesn't have the same people surrounding her now that she had working with her on the Masked Singer, and no she doesn't need that costume on, she is a very good looking girl. At the very end of the video Jackie give a really good home performance which she should be doing more often.
This new album just may be the last straw in a list of bad judgements on her and her teams part.
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Post by donkey on May 12, 2022 10:31:07 GMT -5
Nice singing is not enough....Jackie Evancho sings like a sanitizer...no real meaning... Really, these are the examples you chose? These other versions aren't anything particularly great...I actually don't like them (although that may be a function of not liking the individuals singing them). Neil Diamond's version is decent...but I like Neil Diamond...so... This is actually one of Jackie's better covers. You are just anti Jackie...you have no credibility on how good it is. lol She did a good job with it. |
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