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Post by richard on Jun 15, 2023 11:26:07 GMT -5
Yes I seen where Jackie started following Drew Barrymore but I didn't realize it was from that show. I guess that is because they are playing into that "poor little me when I was Young" Just like Jackie is. That isnt the point at all. Your ilk cant even be bothered to watch TMS to get the gist of the show so you cant even assess what Brooke has been talking about, I told you to watch the doc btw. You think being a star is about making money and spending money like no tomorrow, which is very strange. Its hard work! Just because Jackie doesn't spend her life on social media doesnt mean she hasnt been busting her behind, I certainly think she has which is why these arguments about her career don't add up. Are you talking about the same Jackie Evancho that went out of her way to make a video stating she knows how important practicing is but she is only going to spend 1hr a week on it. First off if Jackie was working her behind off she would have been writing her own song years ago like other artist like Grace, not taking the work others have done and singing it. How much work does it take to sing covers of other artist that have put in the hours, any grade school singing student could do that in a couple of days.
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Post by Colt46 on Jun 15, 2023 11:31:02 GMT -5
I don’t believe on constantly bringing up what Jackie has said in the past, I don’t believe in holding it against her the rest of her live , Jackie was a minor when she made that comment of the lack of practice!
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Post by amg1977 on Jun 15, 2023 11:45:43 GMT -5
Grace Vanderwaal only gets the recognition…because of AGT… without this marketing…she would not be booked in a karaoke bar… I nowhere used the term prodigy… and again Emily and Abigail did not steal anything…it was just a defamation move by Netflix which sadly worked with many people… btw. the showrunner (Chris van Dusen) of the show is still cheering for Emily and Abigail …now and then on their insta posts..
Grace and Jackie both got her breaks from AGT just like lots of people got their break from lots of different things. Almost everyone who had any sort of success (deserved or not) got a break somewhere. Emily entered the public eye on the Ellen show as one of her "I just disovered some talented kid" features. No problems there, I guess And yes, Emily and Abigail jumped on a successful TV show and wrote a musical about it that they posted on the internet and Netflix allowed it so long as it was a fan fiction not done for profit. Whether a showrunner approved is irrelevant as he is just a hired hand and doesn't own a damn thing. All parties know the law about intellectual property and A&B were not entitled to profit from it without permission. Netflix granted them permission to profit from the album only and perform any non-profit appearances (charities, etc.). A&B decided to go give for profit shows anyway banking on the intellectual property of the author and the exclusive rights paid to the author by the network. If they had allowed it, anyone could conceivably go do musicals and novels for all their successful TV shows (such as Stranger Things) using A&B as legal precedent. Face facts - they were stealing and betting that their success would keep Netflix from enforcing their rights. This is obvious from the fact that they settled out of court and dropped the whole thing since they knew they were in the wrong and would suffer in the future if they didn't get rid of the whole thing.
Andrew Lloyd Webber is still following both of them etc. etc. Manuel Lin Miranda follows Emily Bear Netflix with the help of Shonda Rimes threw an atomic bomb…to get some money Shonda Rimes would sell her grandmother for success..
Writers of musicals get followed by other writers of musicals. Pop stars often follow other pop stars. Am I supposed to be surprised? Once again, both Netflix and Shonda Rheims were completely in the right. There was intellectual property that they generously allowed A&B to ride on as a fan created not-for-profit production as they had the exclusive rights that was paid for in large sums of money. Somehow you think A&B are entitled to leech off the creator and the network that paid the creator for exclusive rights. The fact that A&B quickly went away with their tails between their legs and never said another word about it shows who was in the right. The fans figured that almost immediately and went from loving A&B to despising them. By the way, what cashgrab. Those few concerts weren't going to make that much bank. A&B had already made more by their album that Netflix allowed as an exception. A&B were warned not to proceed because Netflix and the author legally had to defend their intellectual property once they became aware of a violation or they set a precedent for future violations. A&B were completely in the wrong and everyone knew it.
Now to Liza Barlow it was her first concert…ever…but already way better than the hyped by marketing Grace Vanderwaal.. there are thousands better musicians/singers in the USA
There are more talented people but she sure isn't one of them. All you showed us were 30 seconds of a bad song. You are such an Emily OTT that you not only have to exaggerate her talents and those connected to her (Abigail) but those connected to her once removed (Abigial's sister). If this connection didn't exist, you would never even care about this nonentity.
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Post by donkey on Jun 15, 2023 12:10:26 GMT -5
Of course, it all depends on what music the new album contains and how it is accepted at all. But first singing "some enchanted evening" and then an evening with songs about Jackie's mental problems, that doesn't really fit. You never know. It depends on the delivery. A sardonically sung "Some Enchanted Evening" with Pink Floyd-esque atmospheric droning in the background might fit very well with songs about mental illness. ROFL...hilarious comment amg. |
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Post by amg1977 on Jun 15, 2023 12:26:48 GMT -5
You never know. It depends on the delivery. A sardonically sung "Some Enchanted Evening" with Pink Floyd-esque atmospheric droning in the background might fit very well with songs about mental illness. ROFL...hilarious comment amg. You never know. Think of "Singing in the Rain" in A Cockwork Orange. |
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Post by donkey on Jun 15, 2023 12:32:20 GMT -5
ROFL...hilarious comment amg. You never know. Think of "Singing in the Rain" in A Cockwork Orange. You should suggest it to Jackie immediately. LOL |
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Post by Franco Nero on Jun 15, 2023 12:33:08 GMT -5
Are there oranges in Cockwork, Cornwall?
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Post by Grace Fan on Jun 15, 2023 13:29:00 GMT -5
having 5,7 million followers and only performing in two irrelevant clubs You act like an artist should only ever perform at huge venues given the opportunity. For one, Grace has always loved performing at smaller venues since she feels more connected to her audience that way. She also just moved back to NY and wanted to put on some local shows for her home. She stated that these small shows were intended to test out her unreleased music in order to gauge audience reactions and see what she should release next. She very easily could book larger venues if that's what she wanted to, considering how quickly her tickets sold for these two concerts. As for that Liz Barlow clip, I'm sure she has some talent, but I've heard Grace sing better with a cold. |
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Post by Colt46 on Jun 15, 2023 13:39:33 GMT -5
You are right Grace Fan , eulenspiegel needs a hearing test! Grace is doing just fine!
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Post by richard on Jun 15, 2023 14:14:28 GMT -5
Tate McRae just announced she is going on tour Looks like 20 concerts from Sept 5 to Oct. 13 an actual tour. Not what Jackie Otts claim is a tour of just two concerts in a months time. Also doesn't look like she needs much time between announcing the concert and doing the concert. They will sell out quickly. http://instagram.com/p/CthFgdjpwYb |
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Post by Colt46 on Jun 15, 2023 14:24:34 GMT -5
I just want Jackie to perform and make a new album 💿 , she is barely hanging on in her career! She has a beautiful voice and I want to hear some good original songs!
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Post by Socal Fan on Jun 15, 2023 14:32:18 GMT -5
There is room for optimism. Personally, I'm pretty upbeat about the next phase of her career. I think she finally has found someone in Greg Camp who is willing to allow Jackie to be part of the creative process and help her develop her ability.ot I am much less optimistic. Here's why. As far as I can tell (and please correct me if I am wrong) Greg Camp has not written any songs or albums that have appeared on any significant Billboard chart since 2003. That was when he wrote songs for the Smash Mouth album "Get the Picture?". He wrote songs for the Smash Mouth 2006 album "Summer Girl" but it did not chart. He also released a 2008 album "Defektor" but it also did not chart. Bottom line: Greg Camp has had no songwriting success in the last 2 decades. If he cannot write successful songs for himself, is there any reason to think he can help Jackie write songs for herself? |
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Post by amg1977 on Jun 15, 2023 14:32:35 GMT -5
You never know. Think of "Singing in the Rain" in A Cockwork Orange. You should suggest it to Jackie immediately. LOL |
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Post by Disappointed on Jun 15, 2023 14:40:45 GMT -5
Isn't it interesting how Colty posts all kinds of nonsense every day, far worse than Beachguy or anyone else, with most posts being directed at other posters. Yet the only time Socal Fan comes along and deletes a few posts is when someone posts something back at Colty. Then he deletes that post and a couple of Colty posts that triggered it. While doing nothing about all of the other many posts every day. This fool should have been banned long ago or confined to a different section.
But I do have to hand it to Colty in one sense...he runs this forum now.
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Post by donkey on Jun 15, 2023 14:46:18 GMT -5
There is room for optimism. Personally, I'm pretty upbeat about the next phase of her career. I think she finally has found someone in Greg Camp who is willing to allow Jackie to be part of the creative process and help her develop her ability.ot I am much less optimistic. Here's why. As far as I can tell (and please correct me if I am wrong) Greg Camp has not written any songs or albums that have appeared on any significant Billboard chart since 2003. That was when he wrote songs for the Smash Mouth album "Get the Picture?". He wrote songs for the Smash Mouth 2006 album "Summer Girl" but it did not chart. He also released a 2008 album "Defektor" but it also did not chart. Bottom line: Greg Camp has had no songwriting success in the last 2 decades. If he cannot write successful songs for himself, is there any reason to think he can help Jackie write songs for herself? I think it's definitely a long shot. But seems to me a former "hit song writer on one album 20 years ago" is better than a "never has written a hit song writer". Jackie will take what she can get, and it will be interesting to see what they came up with. long odds of success aside.  |
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