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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 28, 2023 17:22:56 GMT -5
Well, it looks here like she is sharing her experience being on TMS with a small group of people. That was part of her experience. But how is TMS 3 years ago relevant now? |
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Post by BOGC on Sept 28, 2023 17:32:57 GMT -5
I remember one day when I felt somewhat constipated 3 years ago. Does that count? Were you doing something challenging in front of a large audience (and being recorded for a far larger one) at the time? If not, no it doesn't count; wouldn't cause you to miss a beat,maybe; and if you did, nobody would notice. |
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Post by donkey on Sept 28, 2023 18:19:37 GMT -5
Well, it looks here like she is sharing her experience being on TMS with a small group of people. That was part of her experience. But how is TMS 3 years ago relevant now? It's the last time she sang in front a massive audience. And three years isn't THAT long ago. lol If I was in a small group of people and listening to Jackie talk about parts of her more recent career, I'd definitely expect and want to hear about her appearance on TMS. |
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Post by colt46 on Sept 28, 2023 18:31:25 GMT -5
You are speaking from a non fan’s perspective Socal Fan, Jackie is talking about it on Facebook and posted it today!
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Post by richard on Sept 28, 2023 21:30:49 GMT -5
But how is TMS 3 years ago relevant now? It's the last time she sang in front a massive audience. And three years isn't THAT long ago. lol If I was in a small group of people and listening to Jackie talk about parts of her more recent career, I'd definitely expect and want to hear about her appearance on TMS. Seeing how her numbers are sinking she needs to be talking and showing what she is doing today. Maybe more behind the scenes of her new music production, making music videos (Still no official music video for "Behind my eyes"). Since that is the first song released of her new album it should be her flagship for the album. Just like Olivia Rodrigo released Vampire with music video over a month before her album Guts was released. Vampire gave everyone a taste of what to expect. I thought Jackie's new song was very good but she is not doing enough to promote it. When Behind My Eyes came out Jackie had 102,290 instagram followers, she now has 102,266 and as I said before most people don't go to the site to unfollow someone so we don't know how many she may have lost.
Behind my Eyes on Spotify has a dismal amount of streams (15,916), Dylan Conrique new song that came a week after Jackie's has 152,952 streams and she is talking about releasing another. I bring Dylan up because she is fully self promoting hers song and she doesn't have any great name recognition either.
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 28, 2023 21:51:56 GMT -5
Behind my Eyes on Spotify has a dismal amount of streams (15,916), Dylan Conrique new song that came a week after Jackie's has 152,952 streams and she is talking about releasing another. I bring Dylan up because she is fully self promoting hers song and she doesn't have any great name recognition either. Dylan's latest song "When I Go" was released on Sep 22 which is about a week ago whereas BME was released 3 weeks ago. But When I Go has 10 times the number of Spotify streams. But Dylan has much more name recognition on Spotify with 1.99M monthly listeners and 265K followers compared with Jackie's 129K montly listeners and 103K followers. |
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Post by colt46 on Sept 28, 2023 23:21:46 GMT -5
It’s so nice that you posting facts that I already know that Jackie isn’t popular, gees I get it ! Like you might not get what Jackie post then again she isn’t posting for your benefit but for the benefit of the few fans she has left! I do like sarcasm!
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 28, 2023 23:26:58 GMT -5
Why bring it up now years later, I may have been a little hard and maybe Jackie did get the flue, but that would have been a long time ago, I feel this just goes more with the "poor Jackie" that she is trying to promote and I doubt it will work. I remember one day when I felt somewhat constipated 3 years ago. Does that count? We always knew you were full of it. ROFL! 😂 |
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 28, 2023 23:56:39 GMT -5
It is so funny to watch on tiktok the Taylor Swift puts Trevis Kelce on the map videos… as someone living outside the USA.. In Germany Der Spiegel even had to explain who this strange guy is..lol www.spiegel.de/sport/american-football/taylor-swift-und-nfl-profi-wer-ist-football-star-travis-kelce-a-cda71678-c5eb-4560-98a8-3cfc48729ee7„ About a professional football player who was once looking for a new girlfriend through a casting show - and is now hanging out with Taylor Swift.“ It might be hard for you …but American Football isseen as totally obscure outside the USA…baseball even more.., these athletes are literally nobodies if they leave the USA… Tom Brady is the ex of Giselle Bundchen…after Leonardo di Caprio. Even US chess playwe Hikaru Nakamura is more famous than any baaeball player outside the USA… People know Simon Biles, Michael Phelps, Andre Agassi but no one cares for AF or baaeball You don't seem to realize that who is popular in other markets is really irrelevant since this is the market with the most wealth. As for Travis Kelce, he is making around $12 million a year just in salary and another $10 million minimum in endorsements. While that certainly isn't Taylor Swift money, it is a lot for playing a total of less than 20 games a year. And that is for a Tight End which is not one of the glamour positions. The going rate for a top flight quarterback is more along the lines of the $50 million a year handed out to Jalen Hurts of the Philadelphia Eagles after a total of two good seasons. The quaterback on Kelce's team, Patrick Mahommes, is pulling down over $60 million a year plus another $50 million in endorsements. So I don't think they are losing any sleep about not being recognized in Berlin.  |
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 29, 2023 0:19:53 GMT -5
Jackie was a kid. I am sure she wanted to be a kid but had to work at the "family business" which was her. She no doubt wanted to appeal to her peers but appealing to her grandparents generation was what supported the family. These little breaks from the Lawrence Welk set were a good time. She is finally getting a chance to write her own narrative a decade later. I do believe Jackie wanted to do what she is doing now for a long time. I also think Jackie is too timid to put her foot down and needed someone with past success on her side. Greg Camp has been the one who has given her the nerve to stand up and take a chance. I wish she had found him a few years ago but better late than never. But Jackie has written original songs before in 2H Pt 2. She didn't write her original music then but that was only because she chose not to (I can't image anything or anyone was preventing her from doing so). So this is not something new for Jackie. In fact, I don't see the songs as being particularly different from the last time.
I do not believe she was very involved or enthused in the writing of those songs. The whole project had the look of her being humored by letting her "write some songs" provided professional songwriters were in charge and the songs went on a separate add on EP. The fact that they had her working with mediocre songwriters and the results was some mediocre songs should not be a surprise. They simply did not want to give her control over her own output and pushed her own ideas to the side while hiring some hacks to come in and write a few ditties with her to make her happy.
It all became clear to me when I listened again to that interview Grace Vanderwaal did with Zach Sang when she discussed how the record industry works. She said that if someone is not known as a songwriter from the start, it is almost impossible for them to get originals recorded. They just won't take you seriously as a songwriter. She also mentioned the first time she wrote with professional songwriters and how uncomfortable it was for her. She had said she felt she was writing things that are very personal to her and she is expected to spill her heart out to some middle aged guys who just want to come up with "product" to make the label happy. If someone as outgoing as Grace could be made to feel uncomfortable, how would someone as shy as Jackie react? Grace afterwards only worked with people with whom she felt she had some rapport and understood her and now she feels comfortable just writing with anyone but it took time.
I think Jackie is at that second stage where she has a connection with Camp that she never had with other people she worked with in the past. Part of that is that he has shown himself to be on her side just as Ido Zmishlany had the same rapport with Grace earlier in her career. This whole idea of being mentored may not be necessary for someone with extensive musical training, but for someone as raw as Jackie and Grace were going into the early stages of their career, it could have long term implications for their career. Jackie did work with some very talented people but none of them were interested in developing her creatively - they were there as hired hands and sought to take control themselves - not hand control over to Jackie. I do think Camp is the first person she has worked with who took Jackie's side (probably he's been through his own headaches with labels) and she feels comfortable opening up with him.
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 29, 2023 0:24:53 GMT -5
I wish Jackie had the integrity to protect her image like Jenna Ortega (another one of Maddie's Moppets). Could you possibly see Mike doing this. Seems Jenna Ortega management team are the go between for Jenna and Disney management. Disney wants Jenna badly and hopes she can get them to make a profit again. Disney is offering Jenna a 10 year massive movie contract with increased pay and they are re-writing her scrips to take out anything Woke to her character. Jenna did the same thing to her Wednesday character which the writers did not like. Not that you would know, but don't take anything from Mike Zeroh's YouTube channel at face value. He is a known clickbait artist who makes up scandals and supposed deals from thin air. Usually, he takes something that is somewhat factual but already out there and exaggerates it by adding on stuff he makes up. His channel is just bs. |
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 29, 2023 0:47:38 GMT -5
AGT and BGT might not have offered Jackie enough money, or they just didn't invite her at all, but they clearly invited Susan to appear on BGT, and probably paid her enough money. My theory is that the public is no longer interested in contestants from more than a decade ago.
No one seems to see the elephant in the room so I will point it out to you. Jackie is trying to become an alt-pop singer. The whole "TV talent show" angle is more of a negative with that audience as it invokes images of Britney Spears wannabes, boy bands, and other manufactured bubblegum that is the opposite of the whole New York City hipster vibe of alt-pop. Despite the fact that AGT loves Grace Vanderwaal and spends more time talking about her that any other former contestant, she has never once competed in one of these former champions/all star competitions. It does not help her with her intended audience and it won't help Jackie. Jackie is trying to put the red dress behind her and appearing would not help her. Now I don't know if Jackie were invited but I am pretty sure Greg Camp and company would have advised against it.
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 29, 2023 0:49:18 GMT -5
Grace's show the other night in Brooklyn:
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Post by Muse Ick on Sept 29, 2023 1:31:49 GMT -5
The Grace show would have been a good show to be at, but I can't listen to phone videos because the sound quality aggravates me. I want some bonafide produced and recorded music. That goes for both Grace and Jackie. I'm getting bored with personalities, I want to close my eyes and listen to some audiophile quality tunes.
I just listened to the originals from 2hearts for the first time in years, and Apocalypse is the only one that has stood up. Pedestal was good for another listen, but Sane, Wonderland and The Haunting are dull and repetitive AF. I agree with whoever said Jackie should do a video for Behind My Eyes. The songs with videos always get more attention. She also needs to step up the release schedule on whatever is next. Chop chop!
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Post by BOGC on Sept 29, 2023 1:36:36 GMT -5
This whole idea of being mentored may not be necessary for someone with extensive musical training, but for someone as raw as Jackie and Grace were going into the early stages of their career, it could have long term implications for their career. Jackie did work with some very talented people but none of them were interested in developing her creatively - they were there as hired hands and sought to take control themselves - not hand control over to Jackie. I do think Camp is the first person she has worked with who took Jackie's side (probably he's been through his own headaches with labels) and she feels comfortable opening up with him. I think it's a continuum, not a nobody would mentor until now thing. DF must have taught a thing or two, at least; he couldn't help but, it's in his nature, I think. At that early age, Jackie might not have known what to ask to learn to go where she wanted. John Mario had skills other than conducting (like piano playing and vocal coaching for Italian pronunciation - he has some videos out on the subject; I suspect most orchestra conductors could do modifications of musical arrangements, too), but I think he felt it a conflict of interest to offer other than what he was hired for, except as asked; indeed, I seem to recall his having said something much like that in response to a question. I can't imagine that others she's worked with more recently weren't also willing to help when asked. For 2H part 2, she must have worked with her co-writers. I suspect some of the problem is confidence, and knowing when and what to ask. The other part is that most who have been around a lot longer have their own ideas of what works. Sony was big label conservative, always wanting more of what had worked before. Mollin didn't like the idea of teaching a singer who wasn't already a songwriter to write, thinking that rarely works out well. Camp doesn't seem to have a problem with that, perhaps a product of his own past experiences. |
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