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Post by colt46 on Sept 29, 2023 6:51:38 GMT -5
I can see a difference between 2H and what Jackie Is doing now, again you don’t watch Jackie as close as her fans do! SoCal Fan you are speaking from a non fans prospective!
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 29, 2023 8:10:21 GMT -5
I can see a difference between 2H and what Jackie Is doing now, again you don’t watch Jackie as close as her fans do! SoCal Fan you are speaking from a non fans prospective! Of course you see a difference - all human beings see what they want to see. My perspective is not from a non-fan, it is from the public. And the public's reaction is indifference. As of now, BME has 15916 Spotify streams and revenues of $48 assuming $0.003 per stream. Assuming that total streaming is 4 times that of Spotify, BME's total music streaming revenue is $192 after 3 weeks of release. That's indifference. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 29, 2023 9:27:19 GMT -5
I do not believe she was very involved or enthused in the writing of those songs. The whole project had the look of her being humored by letting her "write some songs" provided professional songwriters were in charge and the songs went on a separate add on EP. The fact that they had her working with mediocre songwriters and the results was some mediocre songs should not be a surprise. They simply did not want to give her control over her own output and pushed her own ideas to the side while hiring some hacks to come in and write a few ditties with her to make her happy. ...
I think Jackie is at that second stage where she has a connection with Camp that she never had with other people she worked with in the past. ... I do think Camp is the first person she has worked with who took Jackie's side A thoughtful perspective worthy of consideration. Your scenario is certainly plausible but speculative - we have no knowledge of the facts. "I do not believe she was very involved or enthused in the writing of those songs." Speculative. "The whole project had the look of her being humored by letting her "write some songs" provided professional songwriters were in charge." But hiring songwriters and recording/producing songs costs a lot of money. Her label might humor a big star but Jackie's sales were declining and she was only moderately profitable at best. Surely they would simply have said "no" rather than make an investment they were not fully confident of. "mediocre songwriters ... mediocre songs ... hiring some hacks." When they released the names of the songwriters Jackie was working with, I read nothing criticizing the choice of songwriters for their mediocrity. Nobody I can recall thought they were hacks. With respect to the songs, if the labels thought the songs were mediocre they surely would not have gone through the the expense of releasing them. Why throw good money after bad? Greg Camp. Jackie seems very happy with Camp. But I recall that she seemed just as happy with her collaborators for 2H. If she's lying/marketing, how do we know which, if any, is the truth? The bottom line is that I'm not saying you are incorrect but we'll probably never know what went on behind the scenes. But I find your perspective a different and interesting one. |
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Post by colt46 on Sept 29, 2023 9:32:30 GMT -5
amg1977 usually makes mind thinking 🤔 post , very Good poster and adds a lot to the discussion in this forum!
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 29, 2023 9:37:52 GMT -5
I can see a difference between 2H and what Jackie Is doing now, again you don’t watch Jackie as close as her fans do! SoCal Fan you are speaking from a non fans prospective! Of course you see a difference - all human beings see what they want to see. My perspective is not from a non-fan, it is from the public. And the public's reaction is indifference. As of now, BME has 15916 Spotify streams and revenues of $48 assuming $0.003 per stream. Assuming that total streaming is 4 times that of Spotify, BME's total music streaming revenue is $192 after 3 weeks of release. That's indifference. I don't think it is indifference as much as ignorance. What I mean by that is the public - including her target audience - does not yet know she exists. She is now starting over and will have to build an audience from the ground up just like everyone else. I have no doubt she can find a niche for herself but her team has to make a plan and see it through. |
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Post by Fan on Sept 29, 2023 9:39:52 GMT -5
Being a fan of Jackie most of opinions i hear is she has too much to carry in personal life and people would rather by pass her , if you don't know what she is carrying then you don't know her life for it is mostly a open book .
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Post by colt46 on Sept 29, 2023 9:45:00 GMT -5
Nothing like publicly, the hard part is how do you get it ! Jackie has to find a way to be seen by a large number of people! To bad she can’t get a guest performance on someone’s tv 📺 special!
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Post by colt46 on Sept 29, 2023 9:47:04 GMT -5
As far as an open book, I disagree ! Don’t know about her personal life and I am ok with that!
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Post by Beachguy on Sept 29, 2023 10:05:53 GMT -5
Of course you see a difference - all human beings see what they want to see. My perspective is not from a non-fan, it is from the public. And the public's reaction is indifference. As of now, BME has 15916 Spotify streams and revenues of $48 assuming $0.003 per stream. Assuming that total streaming is 4 times that of Spotify, BME's total music streaming revenue is $192 after 3 weeks of release. That's indifference. I don't think it is indifference as much as ignorance. What I mean by that is the public - including her target audience - does not yet know she exists. She is now starting over and will have to build an audience from the ground up just like everyone else. I have no doubt she can find a niche for herself but her team has to make a plan and see it through. "" her team "" has been a joke for 13 years , even after her gig in the movie with her union card the team should or could have tried/made her into a Miss Temple type or like a Dakota Fanning in movie ""Every Secret Thing ''" , the singing could have taken a back step till the movie starlet did or did not shine , there was no rush at her young age so imo her team was/is 90% of her downfall . |
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 29, 2023 10:14:50 GMT -5
I don't think it is indifference as much as ignorance. What I mean by that is the public - including her target audience - does not yet know she exists. She is now starting over and will have to build an audience from the ground up just like everyone else. I have no doubt she can find a niche for herself but her team has to make a plan and see it through. "" her team "" has been a joke for 13 years , even after her gig in the movie with her union card the team should or could have tried/made her into a Miss Temple type or like a Dakota Fanning in movie ""Every Secret Thing ''" , the singing could have taken a back step till the movie starlet did or did not shine , there was no rush at her young age so imo her team was/is 90% of her downfall . I would agree but I don't think the same "team" is in place. Generally, her "team" had been her parents. Lisa is no longer in the picture and I don't think Mike is calling any shots. Jackie's current team appears to be Christina Turino, Sanborn McGraw, and Greg Camp. While they decide things, they send Mike to Dunkin' to fetch some coffee. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 29, 2023 10:38:29 GMT -5
I have no doubt she can find a niche for herself No doubt, but will the niche be big enough to be economically viable? I suspect her only viable niche will be singing adult contemporary, CC, and showtunes for older adults and younger kids. I don't see a niche in pop because she does not have the persona for it. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 29, 2023 10:39:53 GMT -5
"" her team "" has been a joke for 13 years I have never blamed the team. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 29, 2023 10:48:35 GMT -5
I don't think it is indifference as much as ignorance. What I mean by that is the public - including her target audience - does not yet know she exists. Agreed, but there is a lot more indifference than one might think. The best example is Masked Singer. Millions of Americans watched her perform pop week after week. But of those countless millions, BME only has 16K streams after 3 weeks of release. Millions of TMS viewers knew her but were too indifferent to follow her career enough to listen to her future songs. I'll bet the vast of majority of TMS viewers who watched her don't even remember her. That's not ignorance, that's indifference. |
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Post by colt46 on Sept 29, 2023 10:49:46 GMT -5
SoCal Fan is always saying Jackie doesn’t have the personality ! I totally disagree, what she has been singing for over a decade is what’s unpopular! It will take time when you are singing something different! I hope Jackie can prove you wrong with your assessment of her future! You have your doubts that she can make a living as a singer, I don’t ! She won’t be a superstar but she will live a comfortable life!
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Post by 1 Guest on Sept 29, 2023 10:58:05 GMT -5
I don't think it is indifference as much as ignorance. What I mean by that is the public - including her target audience - does not yet know she exists. Agreed, but there is a lot more indifference than one might think. The best example is Masked Singer. Millions of Americans watched her perform pop week after week. But of those countless millions, BME only has 16K streams after 3 weeks of release. Millions of TMS viewers knew her but were too indifferent to follow her career enough to listen to her future songs. I'll bet the vast of majority of TMS viewers who watched her don't even remember her. That's not ignorance, that's indifference. I think that the reason people didn't bother to follow her was bad timing. After TMS, she really didn't do anything new or have anything new to offer. Basically all that she did was talk about Kitty on social media. Perhaps if TMS happened after some of her new music was released things would have been much better. Of course there's no way to know that. |
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