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Post by donkey on Jul 15, 2023 19:09:47 GMT -5
Changes are fine , where are the future concerts? Great question! |
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Post by colt46 on Jul 16, 2023 8:17:34 GMT -5
I love ❤️ Jackie’s voice, but she doesn’t answer important questions that her fans have , like future concerts, when new album 💿 is coming out , new music 🎼 videos that are related to the new music she is working on!
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Post by Non member on Jul 16, 2023 13:11:21 GMT -5
Just look at 3 pages of these boring posters that live here ,this forum is their life , same old minds repeating same old junk .
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Post by donkey on Jul 16, 2023 13:13:53 GMT -5
Just look at 3 pages of these boring posters that live here ,this forum is their life , same old minds repeating same old junk . Well then, I guess you won't be staying. Thanks for giving us a look anyway. Bye and good luck.  |
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Post by colt46 on Jul 16, 2023 14:05:18 GMT -5
Don’t let the door 🚪 hit your backside on the way out Non Member!
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Post by amg1977 on Jul 16, 2023 16:41:42 GMT -5
As someone with a math degree and who worked for years in analyzing trends, it does sometimes amuse me when I see statistics thrown around here without any proper context. A certain someone's penchant for quoting chart positions for album sales in an era when album sales are no longer a significant component of revenue generation is an obvious example of this, but there are all sorts of statistical games that can be played when you succumb to confirmation bias. For those unfamiliar with the term, confirmation bias is when you look only at arguments that support your position and downplay those that undermine it. In areas where human safety is at risk such bias can cost lives (Challenger space shuttle disaster and, more recently, the Titan submersible disaster). In the entertainment industry it usually only costs egos.
So since this will only be a matter of egos rather than lives, let's take a look at one commonly cited statistical tool and what it does and does not tell us: namely, Google Trends vis-a-vis Jackie's career. So let's first get a big picture look at everything:
I began the reading in June 2010 which is two months prior to Jackie first rising above the flat-line (August 2010). Since Jackie was part of the YouTube contest she never appeared in the early auditions and was only brought it just prior to the quarterfinals. The first thing you want to do is look at outliers. When one appears then you search under her name under news for that time period to see what was skewing the data, theorize whether this would be a good or bad thing and see whether or not there is an after effect. It is important to recognize you should not expect the peak to be maintained. Obviously something prompted people to search for Jackie in a time period and once the initial impetus has abated, there will be a quick decline. The important factor is the post-outlier baseline. Is the normal baseline higher, lower, or the same than it was before the outlier? Even if there is a perceivable change, is it part of a longer upward (or downward trend) or does it indicate a definite shift in interest?
In Jackie's case, the first outlier coincided with her AGT run, there was a one month decline, and then a smaller spike corresponding to the personal appearances to follow. Now you might, given the disparity between the two spikes, think that her popularity had sunk in a few months but this was not the case. The initial spike was huge since no one knew who she was and people were searching to find web pages, YouTube channels, etc. None of that needed to happen the second time around so you would expect the spike to be far less but still be a spike and that is what happened.
The next big spike coincided with the release of DWM and the subsequent promotion and touring to follow. A first release was bound to spike interest as would ticket sales and the high volume of interest demonstrated the love affair of a segment of the public with the "little girl with the big voice" had not ended.
The trends settled into a baseline from April 2012 to November 2016 when another spike occurred from December 2016 to March 2017 related to her appearance at the Trump inauguration. So let's take a closer look at the baseline:
There was one major outlier once it was broken down on a week-by-week basis when she came back to appear on AGT in the first week of September 2014. There were also some smaller jumps with new albums or videos or tours or TV appearances Other than that, there was the beginning of a slow decrease in searches for the baseline. You could argue either way about her long term prospects from this alone as people would not be searching for her unless they were fans or something sparked their interest. Album sales had slowed but they slowed for everyone as the industry was in transition - first to mp3 sales and later to streaming. The problem Jackie faced was that her decrease in CD sales were not offset by increases elsewhere. The "little girl with the big voice" can only go on for so many years as a marketing strategy and she needed a new niche point to drive her image.
An example of a successful transition would be that of Taylor Swift. She could only rely on being the innocent country girl so long and certainly not after a torrid affair with John Mayer. She could have transitioned to an adult country star but she decided to go for pop singer and she played her cards perfectly. Jackie didn't have any potential scandals to worry about at 14, so she only needed to decide what direction to take it. There were some half-baked attempts on Two Hearts but it is hard to say if she were treading lightly because of her own fears or pressure from her team. In any case, the trend was downward long term but not fatally so.
Generally speaking, it is not good to get involved in polarizing times since it does the same for your audience. Love him or hate him, you have to say that no one was so simultaneously adored and despised in such extremes in recent memory. When you get involved in politics or religion, a lot of unpredictable things can happen and most of them are bad. Just ask the Dixie Chicks or Sinead O'Connor. It did not have devastating consequences for her popularity but it didn't help either. After the few months of scrutiny, the slow downward trend continued but there was one thing that may have been different: fans may not have dropped her because of it, but a segment of the population would judge her negatively because of it and that makes expanding her base more difficult while that was in the public memory. It also is no secret that Hollywood is as far left as one can get and whatever good will (and potential openings that might be exploited in the future) she may have gained by supporting her trans sibling were dashed by singing for the orange president.
Post-inaugaration was mainly a continued descent with jumps at obvious places such as her appearance on AGT Champions, TMS, and the various discussions of her personal life (e.g., depression, anorexia, and the strange take on "family values" when they all moved in to the old house during the pandemic. Over the last few years there had been a slow decrease in ticket sales for concerts. It was pretty obvious something needed to be done as Jackie ended no longer on a major label.
I think a good case can be made that the album she is working on now is what she wanted to do with Melody Place when she signed and was circumvented by Fred Mollin. It may have been something she wanted to do long ago but various people may have talked her out of it. I don't expect it to be an overnight sensation but I do think there is the chance it could be a new beginning for her. It just needs to be good.
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Post by colt46 on Jul 16, 2023 17:03:14 GMT -5
I agree with you amg1977 ,it is a new beginning and I hope it is good !
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Post by Disappointed on Jul 16, 2023 17:44:08 GMT -5
Since Jackie was part of the YouTube contest she never appeared in the early auditions and was only brought it just prior to the quarterfinals. This is the crux of the matter, because if AGT had never held those short lived and mainly bombed Youtube shows, this travesty would never have occurred. The next big spike coincided with the release of DWM and the subsequent promotion and touring to follow. Entirely due to Foster's influence and penchant for promoting the current popular thing. The "little girl with the big voice" can only go on for so many years as a marketing strategy True. As Charlotte Church found out and as Jackie has found out as Charlotte 2.0. When you get involved in politics or religion, a lot of unpredictable things can happen and most of them are bad. She benefitted short term but became a pariah as she ended up throwing absolutely everyone under the bus. Her conservative fans got run over when she became the transgender spokesperson (though that landed her GUE and that Vegas concert during gay week). Then her gay audience got run over when she performed for Trump. And finally, her Trump-related audience got run over when she wanted her and Jacob to meet with Trump to pursue her transgender agenda. I do think she benefitted the dry cleaning industry though, with all the "former fans" who had to get the bus tire tracks cleaned off the backs of their jackets. |
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Post by Disappointed on Jul 16, 2023 17:50:08 GMT -5
I agree with you amg1977 ,it is a new beginning and I hope it is good ! Thanks for posting this, Colty. I realized that I forgot to address this in my reply to amg1977. There will be NO "new beginning". The original "beginning" was based on incredible dumb luck, right place at the right time, flash in the pan, first little girl big voice of that generation, catching the twilight of CC, lies, con jobs, trickery, etc. And that was 13 years ago now. Not happening again. No way. No how. |
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Post by msims on Jul 16, 2023 18:02:11 GMT -5
Colt is simply a robot and Cai-ate is not a "she" by calling Juliet by her birth name. Jackie handled herself extremely well when it came to the Trump gig (the media treated her fairly unlike anyone else who associated with Trump, because of her age and she really wasnt taking a political position), very very well. She and Juliet even got invited to the GLADD Awards to present an award as for the final paragraph: Melody Place is a label for singer songwriters who put out original music so I dont know why they agreed to doing Joni but the results speaks for itself 2 million streams made the label, a Billboard charting position, and Team Jackie and MP are happy. Move on.  |
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Post by colt46 on Jul 16, 2023 18:02:17 GMT -5
Hey Disappointed your post are a travesty!
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Post by Disappointed on Jul 16, 2023 18:15:30 GMT -5
I think the reason that you always say "move on", Simsy, is that you NEVER moved on. You got stuck in a time warp when you got devastatingly infatuated with Jackie when she was 10. You still see her that way and always will. Also, I have decided that your obsession with "Cait" must come from your personal past as well. My guess being you were either born as a girl named "Caitlyn" and transitioned to your regret, or wished to be a girl but were never able to be. "Caitlyn" or "Cait" is in reality, YOU. Yes, YOU...SIMSY. She is the woman that you either once were, prior to transitioning, or the woman that you always wanted to be. You, Simsy, are Cait.  |
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Post by msims on Jul 16, 2023 18:16:03 GMT -5
If M&L are amateurs then how did they manage to pull it off? |
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Post by Disappointed on Jul 16, 2023 18:17:55 GMT -5
Hey Disappointed your post are a travesty! Thanks for your well thought out and logical rebuttal, Colty! |
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Post by msims on Jul 16, 2023 18:27:41 GMT -5
I think the reason that you always say "move on", Simsy, is that you NEVER moved on. You got stuck in a time warp when you got devastatingly infatuated with Jackie when she was 10. You still see her that way and always will. Also, I have decided that your obsession with "Cait" must come from your personal past as well. My guess being you were either born as a girl named "Caitlyn" and transitioned to your regret, or wished to be a girl but were never able to be. "Caitlyn" or "Cait" is in reality, YOU. Yes, YOU...SIMSY. She is the woman that you either once were, prior to transitioning, or the woman that you always wanted to be. You, Simsy, are Cait. Your first post on this forum was "Yasmine". You figured with mawriter's influence that for manipulative purposes youll gain more leverage by pretending to be a woman and thats all its about. I called you Cait after Caitlyn Jenner but thats better than Bruce Jenner. As far as your argument about me, absolutely stupid. But with all that conning you do you could have never have hoped for anyone better than Colt, whos an easily programmed robot. Updated: As far as being "devastatingly infatuated" bs: I did love the voice and her ability to sing on pitch to my ears, which is very rare for any singers much less her age (very very few of them close but there have been a few who are ok) or any age to sing that well. Those who dislike her hate how effectively shes been marketed. |
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