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Post by amg1977 on Oct 6, 2023 12:32:45 GMT -5
Since it has been brought up here repeatedly, allow me to address the lack of commercial success for Greg Camp after the early years for SmashMouth. This should put things into perspective somewhat. We all know that having a single talent is not enough to make it to the top. Camp has a mediocre at best voice, but that is not itself fatal. What would be for his career is that he has all the charisma of a wet napkin. He just doesn't have star quality and would never have success on his own - a fact born out by subsequent events. He is, however, a solid songwriter who can come up with gems and knows his way around a studio. What happened with SmashMouth is that Camp was fortunate enough to find a lead singer (Steve Harwell) who oozed charisma in a very playful frat boy kind of way that connected with audiences. Harwell singing Camp's songs was a big winner for a few albums and they were on top of the world until tragedy struck and Harwell's young son died suddenly. At that point, Harwell went off the deep end into alcoholism and mental illness and their success went with him. The reason Camp has had no success on his own is simply because he is not now nor has he ever been a star on his own. He, however, could have success with someone else with those qualities.
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Post by donkey on Oct 6, 2023 12:39:56 GMT -5
I have to say I love this. Jackie singing accompanied by an acoustic guitar sound awesome! She says this is live from a Nashville venue, but I don't think there is an audience. She's not acting like she's singing to an audience in front of her. I suspect she sang there after closing and recording it to post. |
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Post by colt46 on Oct 6, 2023 12:39:59 GMT -5
Good post amg1977!
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Post by colt46 on Oct 6, 2023 12:41:48 GMT -5
I wish more would appreciate Jackie’s voice and how versatile it is in my opinion!
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Post by amg1977 on Oct 6, 2023 12:52:13 GMT -5
This may be the best live performance I have seen from Jackie in years. She looks natural, relaxed, and, dare I say, comfortable in her own skin. This is giving me Sara MacLachlan/Lana Del Ray vibes. The alt-pop thing just may be Jackie's natural place to be musically. |
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Post by donkey on Oct 6, 2023 12:56:35 GMT -5
This may be the best live performance I have seen from Jackie in years. She looks natural, relaxed, and, dare I say, comfortable in her own skin. This is giving me Sara MacLachlan/Lana Del Ray vibes. The alt-pop thing just may be Jackie's natural place to be musically. I agree, she looks relaxed and sounds great...probably because there is no audience in front of her. |
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Post by donkey on Oct 6, 2023 13:30:22 GMT -5
Since it has been brought up here repeatedly, allow me to address the lack of commercial success for Greg Camp after the early years for SmashMouth. This should put things into perspective somewhat. We all know that having a single talent is not enough to make it to the top. Camp has a mediocre at best voice, but that is not itself fatal. What would be for his career is that he has all the charisma of a wet napkin. He just doesn't have star quality and would never have success on his own - a fact born out by subsequent events. He is, however, a solid songwriter who can come up with gems and knows his way around a studio. What happened with SmashMouth is that Camp was fortunate enough to find a lead singer (Steve Harwell) who oozed charisma in a very playful frat boy kind of way that connected with audiences. Harwell singing Camp's songs was a big winner for a few albums and they were on top of the world until tragedy struck and Harwell's young son died suddenly. At that point, Harwell went off the deep end into alcoholism and mental illness and their success went with him. The reason Camp has had no success on his own is simply because he is not now nor has he ever been a star on his own. He, however, could have success with someone else with those qualities. Camp can perhaps continue to help Jackie produce her songs in the studio and come up with music to match her lyrics. That would be his contribution...music writer/producer. |
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Post by colt46 on Oct 6, 2023 13:47:45 GMT -5
I don’t think Jackie has a problem singing before a live audience!
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Post by donkey on Oct 6, 2023 13:57:34 GMT -5
I don’t think Jackie has a problem singing before a live audience! True, but she acts differently than singing just to a camera. She likes to interact with and make eye contact with an audience. You can tell here she isn't singing to an audience. That's why it seems a little odd that she referred to it as a "live" performance. |
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Post by colt46 on Oct 6, 2023 14:37:49 GMT -5
It’s live while she is singing it, I know it does seem crazy but Jackie will be Jackie , she is wired differently than a lot of people, but I love ❤️ her voice just the same!
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Post by Watermelon on Oct 6, 2023 15:12:36 GMT -5
If in 2024 at some point Jackie decides to get out of showbiz , then so be it  |
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Post by colt46 on Oct 6, 2023 15:17:25 GMT -5
I said if , I didn’t say it’s a certain fact! It seems most in this forum thinks her career if over!
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Post by BOGC on Oct 6, 2023 15:42:50 GMT -5
One of the comments: merissaria 4h Hey Jackie! Fellow AGT-er here. I direct messaged you last night. Let me know if you’d like to collab  (that would be Merissa Beddows, AGT season 17 top 5 singing impressionist (does various singers' voices) (in the intro of that video, she mentioned young Jackie doing OMBC on AGT having inspired her to learn it herself when she was only 12) |
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Post by BOGC on Oct 6, 2023 15:46:19 GMT -5
I don’t think Jackie has a problem singing before a live audience! True, but she acts differently than singing just to a camera. She likes to interact with and make eye contact with an audience. You can tell here she isn't singing to an audience. That's why it seems a little odd that she referred to it as a "live" performance. It wasn't mixed like in a studio. So the layering is missing (hard to do that live except to a backing track). |
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Post by BOGC on Oct 6, 2023 15:53:04 GMT -5
Persona: Stage skills, which are easily learnt, have nothing to do with persona. Public persona is what the celebrity presents to his/her fans during their interactions. In this day and age, most interaction with fans is via media such as TV, radio, print and social media. Social media is by far the dominant interaction and the best metric for persona is the number of followers. For example, Instagram followers: Jackie 102K, Camp 2.2K, Grimm 8.6K, Vanderwaal 6.3M. Social media has unfortunately become necessary. But it's the least common denominator for self-promotion, independent of substantive (non-marketing) skills. |
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