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Post by Guest 5 on Oct 10, 2023 11:36:40 GMT -5
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Post by Guest 5 on Oct 10, 2023 12:01:03 GMT -5
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Post by donkey on Oct 10, 2023 12:07:02 GMT -5
I think 🤔 Jackie can send a powerful message through her music 🎶! She can...the real question is, how many people can she get to hear it. |
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Post by amg1977 on Oct 10, 2023 12:58:13 GMT -5
After Disney removed Grace VanderWaal's two movies back in May, along with a bunch of their other content, "Stargirl" and "Hollywood Stargirl" have found a new home with Apple TV, and also Google's service as well, I believe. https://www.instagram.com/p/CyOGgAurpac
It is also available on Amazon.com for purchase or rent. Strangely enough, this ends up being a good thing for the films. Previously, only Disney+ subscribers could see it. By now, any Disney+ subscriber who wanted to see the films already had. Now the films can be seen by anyone.
It all came down to residuals. Disney would have to pay Grace and other well known actors in the film more money if they continued to have the movie on Disney+ without Disney getting any new money for it. By taking it off and selling the rights to rent and buy, Grace and these actors get more money (a percentage of rents and sales) but Disney gets more money too. So Grace has yet another source of income for things she did years ago. In show business, you always follow the money.
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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 10, 2023 13:18:42 GMT -5
In show business, you always follow the money. My sentiments exactly. There's a reason why they call it show biz. That's why I've long believed that voice and talent are irrelevant. And why my opinions are irrelevant. Money is the only thing that matters. |
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Post by donkey on Oct 10, 2023 13:27:48 GMT -5
In show business, you always follow the money. My sentiments exactly. There's a reason why they call it show biz. That's why I've long believed that voice and talent are irrelevant. And why my opinions are irrelevant. Money is the only thing that matters. Talent is important in getting a large fan base...fans have to like what you are doing, and if no talent was required, any one of us could go out and sing and be successful. Most of the really successful artists are highly talented singers. Even if I don't personally care for some of them. I recognize they are very talented most of the time. So I disagree that talent is irrelevant. It's not irrelevant as talent is a huge factor in being successful in the music industry, which then brings in the bucks. |
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Post by colt46 on Oct 10, 2023 14:03:32 GMT -5
I think you need some talent or just anyone could be a star ⭐️ In showbiz! You need the total ability to move your audience ,a terrible voice won’t cut it!
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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 10, 2023 14:07:55 GMT -5
I disagree that talent is irrelevant. It's not irrelevant as talent is a huge factor in being successful in the music industry, which then brings in the bucks. Is Jackie talented? If so, where are the bucks? |
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Post by donkey on Oct 10, 2023 14:21:24 GMT -5
I disagree that talent is irrelevant. It's not irrelevant as talent is a huge factor in being successful in the music industry, which then brings in the bucks. Is Jackie talented? If so, where are the bucks? Sure, but is she talented enough to stand out amongst a large pool of similar talent? That's why I said it is a major factor, but not the only one. Other things are required on top of having significant talent including originality, persona, hard work, and even luck. But if you don't have the talent to start with, none of the other things will matter much...in most cases. Instead of saying talent is irrelevant to success in showbiz, I would say talent is a necessary component (in most cases - there are always exceptions), but it's not the only component. I would argue that most highly successful singers are very talented. Even if their talent alone didn't bring them fame, that talent was a vital component in their achieving fame. |
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Post by amg1977 on Oct 10, 2023 14:49:57 GMT -5
not everyone buys that streaming killed sales.
It doesn't matter who "buys" the claim - the only thing that really matters is the facts. Personally, I think a lot of things led to the downfall of CDs with greed being at the top of the list. The labels told everyone how much they would save on CDs since the manufacturing costs of CDs was so much lower. Once everyone switched over and vinyl was largely phased out, they jacked the price up 2-3 times with both labels and artists raking in millions. Being shortsighted, they didn't realize that digital files don't need to be on CDs. The only thing preventing large scale piracy was the bandwidth. Then they developed mp3 compression and piracy was the name of the game. Napster, Limewire, Pirate's Bay, etc. Eventually, high bandwidth became common and you didn't even need to compress. Streaming was a last ditch attempt to save the music industry from complete collapse. It worked because people who were angry at being ripped off calmed down when they got a good deal.
Here's the data for the revenues by year.
When you look at the 1973 totals, the two dominant formats were vinyl and 8-track. Then you see cassettes become big (light blue/grey on the graph) followed by CDs (orange). At that point, 8-track dies, cassettes follow, and vinyl is reduced on the graph to a small line whiles CDs dominate. Then paid downloads move in (purple) but the revenues collapse because the x-factor you don't see on the graph is piracy. Then when streaming comes in (green), piracy dies and the revenue rises back to where it was previously.
So, you could say that streaming didn't kill CDs - greed did and piracy was putting in the final nails to the coffin. If anything, streaming may have saved CDs for the small percentage of the public who wants it. Vinyl has actually now eclipsed CDs. The numbers for percentages of revenue do not lie:
Vinyl 7.7% CDs 3.0% __________________________ Total Physical Media 10.7%
Download Album 1.5% Download Single 1.3%
Other Download 0.2%
Ringtones 0.1%
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Total Downloads 3.1%
__________________________ Total Sales 13.7%
Paid Streaming 57.8%
Limited Tier Paid 6.0%
On Demand w/ads 11.4% Other w/ads 1.6%
___________________________ Streaming Accounts 78.0%
Sound Exchange 6.0% Synchronization 2.4%
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Miscellaneous 8.4%
Sound Exchange is for music played on services like Sirius and Pandora. Synchronization is when music is used in film and TV.
In any case, is is pretty clear to see that CDs are pretty much a dying format. I don't expect it to drop drastically again until our generation starts to really kick the bucket. The last generation or two has never shopped in Tower Records or Sam Goody and doesn't see music as something you buy. You pay a monthly fee and listen to whatever you want. A few years back, Amazon sliced the price of CDs to get rid of back stock and that gave sales a jump for a year or so but now it's back down again. Physical albums now are for "special editions" of major artists to sell as collectibles. Taylor Swift has made a mint doing this but not many artists can get a million fans to shell out $30 for a special pink CD with their face on it and laugh all the way to the bank
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Post by Guest 5 on Oct 10, 2023 14:52:01 GMT -5
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Post by Painted the Tail on Oct 10, 2023 14:52:47 GMT -5
I disagree that talent is irrelevant. It's not irrelevant as talent is a huge factor in being successful in the music industry, which then brings in the bucks. Is Jackie talented? If so, where are the bucks? There are a ton of talented artists in music, art, drama, writing and movies that don't bring in a lot of bucks. |
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Post by donkey on Oct 10, 2023 14:55:09 GMT -5
Is Jackie talented? If so, where are the bucks? There are a ton of talented artists in music, art, drama, writing and movies that don't bring in a lot of bucks. Correct, read my answer to his questions above. Talent alone doesn't guarantee success, but it's a vital componnet most of the time. |
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Post by donkey on Oct 10, 2023 14:57:02 GMT -5
LoL...you need to find a hobby. Seven of the next Eight banners are yours now I think. ROFL |
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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 10, 2023 15:17:48 GMT -5
Is Jackie talented? If so, where are the bucks? Sure, but is she talented enough to stand out amongst a large pool of similar talent? That's why I said it is a major factor, but not the only one. Other things are required on top of having significant talent including originality, persona, hard work, and even luck. I would say that singing talent is only a minor factor. Two reasons: (1) As you say, there is a "large pool of similar talent" so vocal talent does not help much to make any singer stand out from the others. (2) As I have pointed out before, many of the best known singers since the singer-songwriter era began have very average voices. I have long believed that songwriting talent and charisma are far greater factors. (Just to clarify, when I said that talent is irrelevant for success as a singer, I was referring to singing talent.) |
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