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Post by colt46 on Oct 14, 2023 16:23:32 GMT -5
A fan doesn’t get tired of someone just because the same songs are being sung , a non fan just won’t understand!
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Post by BOGC on Oct 14, 2023 17:03:10 GMT -5
Wow! Jackie will do 3 concerts in 2023 and you will attend them all! Presumably, the 2 holiday concerts in Dec will be identical. Do you have any concerns about watching the same show twice? I limit myself as to distance unless I have multiple reasons to go somewhere. And usually I wouldn't bother with a near duplicate show, but I think I heard about the farther one first, so I got the closer one too in case I didn't feel like going to the farther one. But I have seen near duplicate shows before, although not too often, because in a more normal year with more concerts, so as not to look like a stalker, I'd limit myself to every other month or less. Four or five a year, spread out, would be about right for me, absent reasons to do otherwise; that's about my upper limit for travel tolerance. There only having been three this year, and the one next year in Texas being much farther than I'd likely go to, more is better even at the risk of being duplicate. There will still be minor differences in the patter, maybe the order of things will get switched. Sometimes I think she has two encores available and feels up to both, other times she might be tired enough to only do one. And the venues themselves are somewhat different. I don't think either of these is old fancy places with lots of decoration (certaiinly the one in New Wilmington, being on a college, isn't), but some are. That's visual difference, and can make a difference to the sound, too. edit: and on the rare occasions I've seen two nearly back to back, I've noticed details the 2nd time I didn't notice the 1st. |
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Post by Guest 5 on Oct 14, 2023 21:50:38 GMT -5
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Post by donkey on Oct 14, 2023 22:35:52 GMT -5
I think you might have an addiction. ROFL |
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Post by Painted the Tail on Oct 14, 2023 22:44:10 GMT -5
You're not making too many banners - especially if they are of this quality - great work! |
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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 14, 2023 22:55:09 GMT -5
The more the merrier. Added to the queue. |
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Post by Guest 4 on Oct 15, 2023 3:00:55 GMT -5
Grace Vanderwaal
Can anyone explain to me why Grace has not released another full album or EP? I realize that since she released Letters Vol 1 she has done a ton of stuff (three movies, singles, modeling etc.), so she's no slacker. I just don't understand what the deal is with Columbia. Has she explained why there has been no album release?
I'm not complaining about her, I'm just wondering what her label has in mind. Jackie's mother used to bitch about Columbia, but Grace keeps absolutely mum about it as far as I can tell. As of 2020-21 a follow-up album was coming "soon" and then "soon" and then "soon" and then... crickets. I keep wondering if Columbia is pulling a Halsey on Grace by making her jump through virality hoops, or maybe there is something between the label and Coppola that has her on standby until the film comes out.
She's been doing small concerts, so normally I would guess that she's rehearsing for a tour, or working out the kinks on performing certain songs. My frustration, however, is in not having certainty as to what is happening next. I'm experiencing the same thing with Jackie as well. So the basic source of my frustration is this feeling that I don't know how the world works anymore. I'm like a traditionalist in a way that I just want things to be like they used to be; I want a full album to be released and available on the same day a single is released. I don't know if that's ever been true, but I do know that I've never felt this level of WTF before.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Oct 15, 2023 4:07:23 GMT -5
Grace Vanderwaal Can anyone explain to me why Grace has not released another full album or EP? I realize that since she released Letters Vol 1 she has done a ton of stuff (three movies, singles, modeling etc.), so she's no slacker. I just don't understand what the deal is with Columbia. Has she explained why there has been no album release? I'm not complaining about her, I'm just wondering what her label has in mind. Jackie's mother used to bitch about Columbia, but Grace keeps absolutely mum about it as far as I can tell. As of 2020-21 a follow-up album was coming "soon" and then "soon" and then "soon" and then... crickets. I keep wondering if Columbia is pulling a Halsey on Grace by making her jump through virality hoops, or maybe there is something between the label and Coppola that has her on standby until the film comes out. She's been doing small concerts, so normally I would guess that she's rehearsing for a tour, or working out the kinks on performing certain songs. My frustration, however, is in not having certainty as to what is happening next. I'm experiencing the same thing with Jackie as well. So the basic source of my frustration is this feeling that I don't know how the world works anymore. I'm like a traditionalist in a way that I just want things to be like they used to be; I want a full album to be released and available on the same day a single is released. I don't know if that's ever been true, but I do know that I've never felt this level of WTF before. Very likely there won‘t be any real music career… yes, her old songs get streamed…but no one ..really no one …cares for her new songs…the new Grace… despite all her insta followers…all her recent songs failed… I doubt that she would get a contract by a label …now… And I don‘t think that the Coppola movie will have any impact…she was very likely booked…because of her followers…not talent… but I doubt that it will have any impact on the ticket. sales… btw. if the Coppola movie is a fail…like the Spielberg West Side Story remake… no one cared about Kenzie Ziegler… My prediction is…that Grace Vanderwaal will be booked, invited…to fashion shows to sit in the front row for a few years…in 10 years…she will ne the 100.000 Dollar question…who was the cute ukulele girl on AGT Music business is brutal…every year thousands of far more talented musicians try …and 99,99% fail…in the end being part of a casting show…even winning it …has no impact. There are Olivia Rodrigo, Tate McRae…and every year there are 1-2 others. It‘s over. |
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Post by colt46 on Oct 15, 2023 7:00:23 GMT -5
Eulenspiegel the music expert, not ! Grace’s writes her own music 🎶 that people in her age group can relate to, she is still very young and her music will evolve as she continues to experience life experiences !
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Post by richard on Oct 15, 2023 9:55:54 GMT -5
And I don‘t think that the Coppola movie will have any impact…she was very likely booked…because of her followers…not talent… but I doubt that it will have any impact on the ticket. sales… btw. if the Coppola movie is a fail…like the Spielberg West Side Story remake… no one cared about Kenzie Ziegler… Actually it was Maddie Ziegler in West Side Story, and it was very good for her even though the movie didn't do as expected. She was only in the movie for a minutes at most. But she was the one that got to promote it on shows like the Tonight Show and the Oscar's. Rachel Zegler (no relation) the actual star of the movie got snubbed. ICYMI, here's what originally went down: In response to a fan who commented, “Can't wait to see what you'll be wearing on Oscar night,” Rachel responded directly to the user, writing, “I'm not invited, so sweatpants and my boyfriend's flannel.” |
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Post by ziggy on Oct 15, 2023 10:00:12 GMT -5
If charisma is a born attribute (you have it or don't, but can't learn it), then you have it all the time...or don't, and it would take effort to turn it off when provoked. There are people that are charming when they're publicly visible, but quite different other times. Take Ellen DeGeneres as an example of people who reportedly don't have it all the time. In the extreme, that can be symptomatic of a sociopath/psychopath. So charm that is is only present as needed (without having to go in the opposite direction the rest of the time, which might be a pathology) is quite possible, and not a born attribute. (some of us think that mild _is_ charming rather than bland, but it may not be very marketable) www.amazon.com/Charisma-Myth-Science-Personal-Magnetism/dp/1591845947/Correct...you are born with charisma...you either have it or you don't. If we are just talking about putting on an act on stage or in interview, i.e. putting on a persona...Jackie's doesn't have the acting skills to pull that off. And her current fans would see her a fraud, knowing already who the real Jackie is. And besides all of that, I don't see Jackie having any desire to be anything but herself. You might want to think again as many ex fans see her hoping and wishing of being of a beloved star like her love of the Lady Ga Ga image and she is indeed not of herself in her mind, she is a dreamer , sadly many fans already see her as a fraud , that is why her albums do not sell in large type numbers , they know her . |
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Post by colt46 on Oct 15, 2023 10:12:35 GMT -5
It’s ok Guest5 you do great work at creating Jackie banners, don’t let the critics stop 🛑 you!
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Post by richard on Oct 15, 2023 10:17:48 GMT -5
Grace Vanderwaal Can anyone explain to me why Grace has not released another full album or EP? I realize that since she released Letters Vol 1 she has done a ton of stuff (three movies, singles, modeling etc.), so she's no slacker. I just don't understand what the deal is with Columbia. Has she explained why there has been no album release? I'm not complaining about her, I'm just wondering what her label has in mind. Jackie's mother used to bitch about Columbia, but Grace keeps absolutely mum about it as far as I can tell. As of 2020-21 a follow-up album was coming "soon" and then "soon" and then "soon" and then... crickets. I keep wondering if Columbia is pulling a Halsey on Grace by making her jump through virality hoops, or maybe there is something between the label and Coppola that has her on standby until the film comes out. She's been doing small concerts, so normally I would guess that she's rehearsing for a tour, or working out the kinks on performing certain songs. My frustration, however, is in not having certainty as to what is happening next. I'm experiencing the same thing with Jackie as well. So the basic source of my frustration is this feeling that I don't know how the world works anymore. I'm like a traditionalist in a way that I just want things to be like they used to be; I want a full album to be released and available on the same day a single is released. I don't know if that's ever been true, but I do know that I've never felt this level of WTF before. I don't see what the advantage is of releasing an album over just releasing singles if you are just looking into streaming, Someone like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo will do tours based off a new album. Plus a lot more PR is needed to promote an album. Once an album goes to streaming usually all the songs are broken down individually to be streamed. |
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Post by eulenspiegel on Oct 15, 2023 10:44:40 GMT -5
Eulenspiegel the music expert, not ! Grace’s writes her own music 🎶 that people in her age group can relate to, she is still very young and her music will evolve as she continues to experience life experiences ! You really don‘t get it…there are thousands of musicians around the world trying to be succesfull…having far more talent…same age or younger…in the end it is a lottery…but Grace Vanderwaal already lost…7 years ago she won a casting show…but now no one cares…14year olds or younger don‘t care… older teens have other favorites…Grace Vanderwaal has no advantage anymore…no advantage to unknown musician in Montana..or somewhere else… I don‘t know if Emily Bear, Abigail Barlow or her sister will. ever be succesfull in pop…but in the end it is just a lottery.. An Interview with Emily Bear‘s lawyer in 2019 www.mediamasters.fm/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Media-Masters_Ken-Hertz-Podcast-Transcript.pdf“And the thing also is, is that we all look at the success stories. In other words, for every Beyoncé, for every U2, for every Chris Martin, every Ariana Grande, there are thousands, if not tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of people who aspire to be that person. You know, Ariana Grande has just an extraordinary instrument. She’s got a six or seven octave range, and she can do anything with her voice. And she also happens to be remarkably beautiful. And she also comes from an upbringing that allowed her to pursue this career, because her family was well-off, and so she had the freedom to pursue this career, relocate from Florida to Los Angeles, do all of the things that made it possible for her to succeed in the way that someone from a lesser financial background, or with less freedom and less passion and less whatever might not have been able to. There’s no shortage of extraordinarily talented people in the world, believe it or not. And there’s no shortage of extraordinarily beautiful people in the world. And all of the other things that seem to be associated with success. But we tend to look at the ones that succeed and see them as a road map. In other words, people interview successful stars and say, “How did you do it? Tell me your story!” And then people think that, if they replicate that path, that they’ll succeed too. When the truth is, the odds of success in the abstract are very low. I mean, look at American Idol, for example. Millions of contestants, reduced to thousands of auditions, reduced to hundreds of candidates, reduced to dozens of finalists, reduced to handfuls of winners... result in how many careers? Almost none. Well, even in 10 series of American Idol, you’re only going to get three stars, aren’t you? Even the winners might not necessarily be guaranteed a career. A career. Right. I mean, going from there to a career. So in other words, we tend to look at the lottery winners, right? That’s really what they are. I mean, if you think about it, what starts with a pool of millions of people that are willing to wait in line for hours to audition. And then, the ones that get to audition are largely the most talented of that crowd. And then the ones that get through the audition process and get in front of the judges is even fewer. And the ones that survive the judges and go to Hollywood is even fewer than that. And the ones that go beyond that, and end up with an awareness in the popular culture, and a following and a success... I mean, Daughtry got thrown off the show, and Jennifer Hudson got thrown off the show. And Kelly Clarkson won the first season. And still appears to be the one with the biggest career – in fact, I think she’s now a judge. But in any event, if you look at them, on some level, success in the entertainment business is like winning the lottery. You have to get everything right, and then you have to get lucky.“ |
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Post by Socal Fan on Oct 15, 2023 10:47:52 GMT -5
I don't see what the advantage is of releasing an album over just releasing singles if you are just looking into streaming, The first advantage of releasing an album is that you can promote many songs at the same time. On interviews and appearances you can talk about multiple songs and promote them all. Most talk shows won't invite you back for 6 months or a year so if you release one singe at a time, you won't be given a chance to promote your subsequent releases on the same show. The second advantage of releasing an album is that a listener who is attracted to one song is likely to hit "play" on the whole album. People are lazy and you want to make it as easy as possible to listen to your songs. Also, if one song is a hit, that will increase the number of plays for all the songs in the album. So listeners who originally liked only one song may end of likely a few songs. |
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