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Post by richard on Apr 27, 2024 19:47:49 GMT -5
And Coors is more popular than craft beer, even though the former has about as much going for it as seltzer water. Most people are ignorant poops, so popularity is not a compliment, no matter how profitable it may be. I love the sour grapes that comes from Jackie followers. It's never her fault it the public's fault, Who is to decide what is good and what isn't if not the general public as they are the ones paying for it. Maybe Mike isn't doing a good enough job of explaining to the venues that it's not Jackie's fault she can't get a larger audience it's the public's fault for not recognizing just how great she is. |
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Post by msims on Apr 27, 2024 21:06:30 GMT -5
I remember Heavenly Angel well. He was by far the most prolific poster in the original Jackie Evancho Fan Club forum (but I joined the forum for free without joining the JEFC). If I recall correctly, he had something like 12K posts in a relatively short period. At that time, Lisa followed several JEFC members but then she decided to stop following them. Heavenly Angel was so offended that he left in a huff, never to return. I wonder what happened to him. I think it is unfair to call him a creep. He was obviously a very dedicated fan who worshipped Jackie but I don't recall him ever doing anything creepy. Building a shrine shows dedication, not creepiness. There were many dedicated fans in those days and I did not see him as different from any of the others. It's a fine line. He was definitely enthusiastic, as were most of us. The creepy part comes in for me when I think about that shrine being in his living room, and whether he was dating, was married, or had kids. Maybe creepy isn't the word, but I can imagine the reactions of anyone visiting who has never heard of Jackie, or has never been wrapped up in fandom of anyone. Weird if not creepy. It's not every day you see a grown man devoting a whole wall of his living room to a pre-teen singer. I never thought it was particularly weird for an adult to be a fan of a young singer, but there were particular fans who threw off weirdly obsessive vibes about Jackie. Even just aesthetically, I would think it was weird if I walked in someone's living room who had dedicated a whole wall to some basketball player, or baby Jeebuz. In Latin America maybe, but it's not typical in the U.S. Some things just raise eyebrows, or questions. The weird part to me is the lack of self awareness ive discussed for years in your arguments and hypocritical enabling of Rickky (because he too trolls) or anyone here who has always followed young children or young girls of a dopey nature and those certainly with a young children kind of audience. Thats the audience that would put posters up on their wall, young girls have always done that. It also speaks to the anti-fan nature of someone who simply doesn't understand why someone would want to put anything up of the artist they like, when too alot of grown adults have done that as well and im sure what you recall is nowhere near the type of so called shrine fans of other artists and bands have had. |
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Post by msims on Apr 27, 2024 21:08:32 GMT -5
And Coors is more popular than craft beer, even though the former has about as much going for it as seltzer water. Most people are ignorant poops, so popularity is not a compliment, no matter how profitable it may be. I love the sour grapes that comes from Jackie followers. It's never her fault it the public's fault Ill go back to donkey and the stats from his youtube link, they do not reflect the actual fans who attend her concerts. For some reason or other, they simply don't follow and click. I have no sour grapes its just a matter of reality. But thats clearly changing hence the melt down from Caz. Btw I think BME 2.0 is winding down on AC radio, but it was a nice ride. |
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Post by donkey on Apr 27, 2024 21:13:30 GMT -5
I love the sour grapes that comes from Jackie followers. It's never her fault it the public's fault Ill go back to donkey and the stats from his youtube link, they do not reflect the actual fans who attend her concerts. For some reason or other, they simply don't follow and click. I have no sour grapes its just a matter of reality. But thats clearly changing hence the melt down from Caz. Btw I think BME 2.0 is winding down on AC radio, but it was a nice ride. I think she should try to get Get Out of My Life on the radio too and really promote that song next. I think it is VERY catchy. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 27, 2024 21:27:52 GMT -5
And Coors is more popular than craft beer, even though the former has about as much going for it as seltzer water. Most people are ignorant poops, so popularity is not a compliment, no matter how profitable it may be. I love the sour grapes that comes from Jackie followers. It's never her fault it the public's fault, Who is to decide what is good and what isn't if not the general public as they are the ones paying for it. Maybe Mike isn't doing a good enough job of explaining to the venues that it's not Jackie's fault she can't get a larger audience it's the public's fault for not recognizing just how great she is. Their marketing sucks, I don't think anyone reasonable would argue that. But the very existence of marketing beyond simply making it known that something is available, sucks. It's propaganda, even if it's free speech. I'd be very tempted to push truth in advertising to the extent that all advertising was boring, and even Superbowl commercials would not be worth conversation. Popularity does NOT define quality except in a very subjective way (where as things like being on pitch without Autotune are objectively measurable). That can be extended to other attributes of musical performance. I suppose some may value showmanship that is not directly (except in a musical or opera, where there is supposed to be acting going on too) related to the musicianship, but that's their mistake. Garish makeup does NOT improve the sound, dancing doesn't (although carefully done, it might not interfere with proper breath control), crotch-grabbing doesn't etc. Music is first about sound, and only a very distant second should be about showmanship, and that to show off the musical skill (a drummer can twirl their stick as long as they don't miss a beat) or else to really compliment the communication of the music (the visuals should make sense together with the lyrics), not just to produce an overwhelming immersive entertainment experience; you want that, watch Avatar in 3D or something. Naturally everyone thinks they're right, and is free to waste their money being wrong by disagreeing with me, and fortunately for them, I don't want power, because otherwise all the mediocre and tasteless would be on chain gangs. |
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Post by Is there a trick? on Apr 27, 2024 22:08:09 GMT -5
Behind My Eyes didn't come up just now in fifty results when I searched for her by "songs" on Apple Music. Just old songs. I have yet to hear her on Apple Music or Pandora in any relevant genre. She scored a handful of radio spins in a few markets, but I don't live in one of those markets apparently, because I've never heard her in my car either. If I didn't check this forum, she would be virtually invisible to me. I don't expect her to be famous, but I don't understand why she has never even been a blip on my radar. How does anyone who hasn't been exposed to her know that she exists?
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Post by donkey on Apr 27, 2024 22:27:55 GMT -5
Behind My Eyes didn't come up just now in fifty results when I searched for her by "songs" on Apple Music. Just old songs. I have yet to hear her on Apple Music or Pandora in any relevant genre. She scored a handful of radio spins in a few markets, but I don't live in one of those markets apparently, because I've never heard her in my car either. If I didn't check this forum, she would be virtually invisible to me. I don't expect her to be famous, but I don't understand why she has never even been a blip on my radar. How does anyone who hasn't been exposed to her know that she exists? How would you know who she is, unless you were familiar with her previous career singing cc and AGT performances as a child? Sad reality is that she is just another pretty voice in a sea of pretty voices hoping to one day get discovered. Her childhood career in cc has long since run it's course. In the genre she is currently experimenting in, she is basically a total unknown. |
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Post by richard on Apr 27, 2024 22:37:58 GMT -5
Behind My Eyes didn't come up just now in fifty results when I searched for her by "songs" on Apple Music. Just old songs. I have yet to hear her on Apple Music or Pandora in any relevant genre. She scored a handful of radio spins in a few markets, but I don't live in one of those markets apparently, because I've never heard her in my car either. If I didn't check this forum, she would be virtually invisible to me. I don't expect her to be famous, but I don't understand why she has never even been a blip on my radar. How does anyone who hasn't been exposed to her know that she exists? You are 100% correct, nobody would know who she is from the little PR she gives are gets. We still haven't seen any videos of her last concert. Jackie still refuses to use the many tools out there that is available for free. My guess is that it mostly comes from Mike thinking the entire world is trying to steal from Jackie. Just like taking down all the best youtubes of her earlier career and not letting people video her at concerts. Yes now he may allow some of that but it shown his mindset as a manager. While others want people to video their concerts and post them. We will know if Jackie actually gets new management when you see her direction actually change. Jackie may sing some new songs but on stage it is still the same old boring style that very few are interested in. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 27, 2024 23:04:32 GMT -5
Popularity does NOT define quality except in a very subjective way Of course not, since quality itself is entirely subjective and arbitrary. whereas things like being on pitch without Autotune are objectively measurable However, something else that is objectively measurable is that nobody cares about being on pitch without Autotune. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 28, 2024 1:33:16 GMT -5
Popularity does NOT define quality except in a very subjective way Of course not, since quality itself is entirely subjective and arbitrary. whereas things like being on pitch without Autotune are objectively measurable However, something else that is objectively measurable is that nobody cares about being on pitch without Autotune. I do, and I'm not quite nobody. I'm sure I can google up various comments by other people that care. Relativity is physics. Relativism and opinions unconnected to measurables are just plain evil. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 28, 2024 6:32:49 GMT -5
I do, and I'm not quite nobody. I'm sure I can google up various comments by other people that care. I hate to break it to you but you and all those other people are nobodies. The proof: Jackie was once part of a campaign to put a "Made Without Autotune" (or words to that effect) label on recordings. They used that label and discovered that nobody cared. So they abandoned the campaign when they received proof that it was a waste of time and energy. Relativism and opinions unconnected to measurables are just plain evil. Unfortunately, one of the many many things that cannot be measured and quantified is "Evil". Or "Good". Those are entirely subjective and arbitrary. Is Hamas good or evil? That question is raging on campuses all over the country and the answer is entirely subjective and arbitrary. |
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Post by 1 Guest on Apr 28, 2024 8:26:37 GMT -5
I love the sour grapes that comes from Jackie followers. It's never her fault it the public's fault, Who is to decide what is good and what isn't if not the general public as they are the ones paying for it. Maybe Mike isn't doing a good enough job of explaining to the venues that it's not Jackie's fault she can't get a larger audience it's the public's fault for not recognizing just how great she is. Their marketing sucks, I don't think anyone reasonable would argue that. But the very existence of marketing beyond simply making it known that something is available, sucks. It's propaganda, even if it's free speech. I'd be very tempted to push truth in advertising to the extent that all advertising was boring, and even Superbowl commercials would not be worth conversation. Popularity does NOT define quality except in a very subjective way (where as things like being on pitch without Autotune are objectively measurable). That can be extended to other attributes of musical performance. I suppose some may value showmanship that is not directly (except in a musical or opera, where there is supposed to be acting going on too) related to the musicianship, but that's their mistake. Garish makeup does NOT improve the sound, dancing doesn't (although carefully done, it might not interfere with proper breath control), crotch-grabbing doesn't etc. Music is first about sound, and only a very distant second should be about showmanship, and that to show off the musical skill (a drummer can twirl their stick as long as they don't miss a beat) or else to really compliment the communication of the music (the visuals should make sense together with the lyrics), not just to produce an overwhelming immersive entertainment experience; you want that, watch Avatar in 3D or something. Naturally everyone thinks they're right, and is free to waste their money being wrong by disagreeing with me, and fortunately for them, I don't want power, because otherwise all the mediocre and tasteless would be on chain gangs. I get it. You feel superior to the ignorant poops who don't care if singers use autotune, just as some people feel superior to ignorant poops who don't care if singers are classically trained or not. |
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Post by richard on Apr 28, 2024 8:48:04 GMT -5
I do, and I'm not quite nobody. I'm sure I can google up various comments by other people that care. I hate to break it to you but you and all those other people are nobodies. The proof: Jackie was once part of a campaign to put a "Made Without Autotune" (or words to that effect) label on recordings. They used that label and discovered that nobody cared. So they abandoned the campaign when they received proof that it was a waste of time and energy. Relativism and opinions unconnected to measurables are just plain evil. Unfortunately, one of the many many things that cannot be measured and quantified is "Evil". Or "Good". Those are entirely subjective and arbitrary. Is Hamas good or evil? That question is raging on campuses all over the country and the answer is entirely subjective and arbitrary. What can be measured and Jackie's fans seem to want to neglect or downplay is SUCCESS.
Others are successful because they can fill arenas, have billions of spotify streams, million of fans and branch out in other areas other than singing. IMO JoJo Siwa is a terrible singer but she is hugely successful in several different areas including as a singer.
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Post by donkey on Apr 28, 2024 10:27:50 GMT -5
I hate to break it to you but you and all those other people are nobodies. The proof: Jackie was once part of a campaign to put a "Made Without Autotune" (or words to that effect) label on recordings. They used that label and discovered that nobody cared. So they abandoned the campaign when they received proof that it was a waste of time and energy. Unfortunately, one of the many many things that cannot be measured and quantified is "Evil". Or "Good". Those are entirely subjective and arbitrary. Is Hamas good or evil? That question is raging on campuses all over the country and the answer is entirely subjective and arbitrary. What can be measured and Jackie's fans seem to want to neglect or downplay is SUCCESS.
Others are successful because they can fill arenas, have billions of spotify streams, million of fans and branch out in other areas other than singing. IMO JoJo Siwa is a terrible singer but she is hugely successful in several different areas including as a singer.
To claim there is never right and wrong because its all subjective is wishy washy nonsense. Yes, people have subjective opinions on everything, but that doesn't therefore mean that there are no rights and wrongs, no facts and fiction, no truth and lies, no informed and ignorant, no reasonable and unreasonable. lol Just because someone vehemently believes something...that by itself gives it zero credibility, especially when that opinion isn't backed up by the facts on the ground. Yes, who we like musically is subjective, but their stats, assuming they came from a reliable source and are accurate, aren't subjective. Now, some can try to spin stats to suit their needs, but this is often done dishonestly as other stats that might damage their position are often ignored. Msims is the perfect example of someone who often believes what he wishes to be true, and pushes that narrative, when clearly that doesn't reflect reality, aka facts on the ground. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 28, 2024 11:04:47 GMT -5
I do, and I'm not quite nobody. I'm sure I can google up various comments by other people that care. I hate to break it to you but you and all those other people are nobodies. The proof: Jackie was once part of a campaign to put a "Made Without Autotune" (or words to that effect) label on recordings. They used that label and discovered that nobody cared. So they abandoned the campaign when they received proof that it was a waste of time and energy. Relativism and opinions unconnected to measurables are just plain evil. Unfortunately, one of the many many things that cannot be measured and quantified is "Evil". Or "Good". Those are entirely subjective and arbitrary. Is Hamas good or evil? That question is raging on campuses all over the country and the answer is entirely subjective and arbitrary. Murder of children is evil, even for people that think of themselves as freedom fighters. ALL answers are absolute, if one isn't afraid to face them. |
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