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Post by donkey on May 3, 2024 16:57:41 GMT -5
Well, she has no younger fans to speak of. In order to make money, she has to gear events to the only fan base she has. Same reason she can't do concerts with just new, original material...even if she had enough of it for a whole concert, she hasn't established an audience for that. Trying to please both audiences is the thing that is holding her back. It's the reason she can't get concert gigs and one of the reasons that the Italy trip was cancelled. What do you mean, 'both audiences"? She doesn't have two audiences, she has one...55 and up, 65 and up being the core of her fan base. Yes, the reason she has trouble getting gigs is her old fan base dying off, but if she has trouble booking gigs for a dying fan base, how successful do you think she will be booking concerts for a non-existent fan base? She doesn't have a concert audience for just her new stuff at his point. You have to build an enthusiastic fan base before you can start holding concerts for them. Also, she doesn't have enough original songs for a concert of only originals anyway. You are getting way ahead of your skiis. Mabye she can get their eventually, but at the moment if she wants to make any concert money, she simply cant abandon the only fan base she has. Now, I think the idea of opening for other artists isnt a bad idea if she can get such a gig. |
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Post by The Jackinator on May 3, 2024 17:17:21 GMT -5
Trying to please both audiences is the thing that is holding her back. It's the reason she can't get concert gigs and one of the reasons that the Italy trip was cancelled. What do you mean, 'both audiences"? She doesn't have two audiences, she has one...55 and up, 65 and up being the core of her fan base. Yes, the reason she has trouble getting gigs is her old fan base dying off, but if she has trouble booking gigs for a dying fan base, how successful do you think she will be booking concerts for a non-existent fan base? She doesn't have a concert audience for just her new stuff at his point. You have to build an enthusiastic fan base before you can start holding concerts for them. Also, she doesn't have enough original songs for a concert of only originals anyway. You are getting way ahead of your skiis. Mabye she can get their eventually, but at the moment if she wants to make any concert money, she simply cant abandon the only fan base she has. Now, I think the idea of opening for other artists isnt a bad idea if she can get such a gig. It's clear who both audiences are. One is her existing older fan base and the other is potential younger fans. The marketing is geared for one fan base, while the music is geared for the other. She needs to choose a lane. |
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Post by 1 Guest on May 3, 2024 17:30:14 GMT -5
Trying to please both audiences is the thing that is holding her back. It's the reason she can't get concert gigs and one of the reasons that the Italy trip was cancelled. What do you mean, 'both audiences"? She doesn't have two audiences, she has one...55 and up, 65 and up being the core of her fan base. Yes, the reason she has trouble getting gigs is her old fan base dying off, but if she has trouble booking gigs for a dying fan base, how successful do you think she will be booking concerts for a non-existent fan base? She doesn't have a concert audience for just her new stuff at his point. You have to build an enthusiastic fan base before you can start holding concerts for them. Also, she doesn't have enough original songs for a concert of only originals anyway. You are getting way ahead of your skiis. Mabye she can get their eventually, but at the moment if she wants to make any concert money, she simply cant abandon the only fan base she has. Now, I think the idea of opening for other artists isnt a bad idea if she can get such a gig. You're right, she doesn't have 2 audiences. She has her old audience made up of seniors, the other audience is younger people that she's trying to reach. The problem is that most of the seniors don't like her new music. They're not all dying off, they're just turned off by what she's singing. Consequences and How Great Thou Art together just doesn't cut it. I get your point that her shows must be a mix so that she doesn't lose more seniors, but she's losing them regardless. She keeps saying that she's been writing songs for YEARS, yet look at how long it took for this 6 track EP to materialize. If she has more songs, record them already. She should have at the very least done some really good covers that were upbeat and not about going crazy if she can't come up with enough new material for a full album and enough material for concerts. |
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Post by richard on May 3, 2024 17:31:19 GMT -5
How Jackie's monthly Spotify listeners stack up against other lower tier artist. Please don't insult us by saying Jackie is an upper tier singer along Olivia, Tate or Billie's level.
These are not at Olivia Rodrigo, Tate McRae or Billie Eilish level artist but several rungs down on the latter.
So these are very fair comparisons, some I didn't even know they have a spotify account and most singing isn't even their major source of income.
Jackie Evancho 118,896
Connie Talbot 456,468
Kenzie Ziegler 2,088,420
Dylan Conrique 1,642,293
Lexi Jayde 1,259,520
Grace Vanderwaal 955,255
Sofie Dossi 208,152
Jules LeBlanc 265,863
Maisy Stella 186,924
Johnny Orlando 1,620,119
Eddie Benjamin 263,249
Emily Bear 230,697
Addison Rae 1,456,583
Some of those like Jules LeBlanc, Maisy Stella, Sofie Dossi I was surprised they even have a spotify account
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Post by 1 Guest on May 3, 2024 17:31:44 GMT -5
What do you mean, 'both audiences"? She doesn't have two audiences, she has one...55 and up, 65 and up being the core of her fan base. Yes, the reason she has trouble getting gigs is her old fan base dying off, but if she has trouble booking gigs for a dying fan base, how successful do you think she will be booking concerts for a non-existent fan base? She doesn't have a concert audience for just her new stuff at his point. You have to build an enthusiastic fan base before you can start holding concerts for them. Also, she doesn't have enough original songs for a concert of only originals anyway. You are getting way ahead of your skiis. Mabye she can get their eventually, but at the moment if she wants to make any concert money, she simply cant abandon the only fan base she has. Now, I think the idea of opening for other artists isnt a bad idea if she can get such a gig. It's clear who both audiences are. One is her existing older fan base and the other is potential younger fans. The marketing is geared for one fan base, while the music is geared for the other. She needs to choose a lane. Bingo. |
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Post by donkey on May 3, 2024 17:41:04 GMT -5
What do you mean, 'both audiences"? She doesn't have two audiences, she has one...55 and up, 65 and up being the core of her fan base. Yes, the reason she has trouble getting gigs is her old fan base dying off, but if she has trouble booking gigs for a dying fan base, how successful do you think she will be booking concerts for a non-existent fan base? She doesn't have a concert audience for just her new stuff at his point. You have to build an enthusiastic fan base before you can start holding concerts for them. Also, she doesn't have enough original songs for a concert of only originals anyway. You are getting way ahead of your skiis. Mabye she can get their eventually, but at the moment if she wants to make any concert money, she simply cant abandon the only fan base she has. Now, I think the idea of opening for other artists isnt a bad idea if she can get such a gig. You're right, she doesn't have 2 audiences. She has her old audience made up of seniors, the other audience is younger people that she's trying to reach. The problem is that most of the seniors don't like her new music. They're not all dying off, they're just turned off by what she's singing. Consequences and How Great Thou Art together just doesn't cut it. I get your point that her shows must be a mix so that she doesn't lose more seniors, but she's losing them regardless. She keeps saying that she's been writing songs for YEARS, yet look at how long it took for this 6 track EP to materialize. If she has more songs, record them already. She should have at the very least done some really good covers that were upbeat and not about going crazy if she can't come up with enough new material for a full album and enough material for concerts. It's clear. She has to build a new audience and a catalog of a lot more known songs in order to hold a concert with just new stuff. She is nowhere near that now. Therefore, if she wants to hold concerts now and in the near term and have anyone but a couple of OTTs show up, and if she wants to make money, she has to mix the two. Its not rocket science. |
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Post by 1 Guest on May 3, 2024 17:41:48 GMT -5
Well, she has no younger fans to speak of. She does have younger fans, be it on tiktok or from tms. There needs to be another interview/podcast with someone younger. And Italy could have been cancelled for scheduling reasons, she could have had an opportunity to book something else. Its that simple. Also she has bills to pay so gigs where she performs CC and the originals make sense. If she cancelled that trip because something better came up, then SHAME on her. An artist knows that the show must go on. Sickness is about the only legitimate excuse. People make travel plans and hotel reservations to even attend an ordinary concert, and it's something they're looking forward to or they wouldn't bother. Of course I don't believe for a minute that's the reason the trip was cancelled. I don't believe that Jackie would ever do that to her fans, and if you do then you think very little of her. |
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Post by 1 Guest on May 3, 2024 17:44:27 GMT -5
You're right, she doesn't have 2 audiences. She has her old audience made up of seniors, the other audience is younger people that she's trying to reach. The problem is that most of the seniors don't like her new music. They're not all dying off, they're just turned off by what she's singing. Consequences and How Great Thou Art together just doesn't cut it. I get your point that her shows must be a mix so that she doesn't lose more seniors, but she's losing them regardless. She keeps saying that she's been writing songs for YEARS, yet look at how long it took for this 6 track EP to materialize. If she has more songs, record them already. She should have at the very least done some really good covers that were upbeat and not about going crazy if she can't come up with enough new material for a full album and enough material for concerts. It's clear. She has to build a new audience and a catalog of a lot more known songs in order to hold a concert with just new stuff. She is nowhere near that now. Therefore, if she wants to hold concerts now and in the near term and have anyone but a couple of OTTs show up, and if she wants to make money, she has to mix the two. Its not rocket science. But it looks like, at least as of now, only a couple of the oldies are showing up, not many of the younger people she's hoping for. And if that continues will she even be able to book concerts? Granted she's between a rock and a hard place right now. |
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Post by donkey on May 3, 2024 17:45:32 GMT -5
What do you mean, 'both audiences"? She doesn't have two audiences, she has one...55 and up, 65 and up being the core of her fan base. Yes, the reason she has trouble getting gigs is her old fan base dying off, but if she has trouble booking gigs for a dying fan base, how successful do you think she will be booking concerts for a non-existent fan base? She doesn't have a concert audience for just her new stuff at his point. You have to build an enthusiastic fan base before you can start holding concerts for them. Also, she doesn't have enough original songs for a concert of only originals anyway. You are getting way ahead of your skiis. Mabye she can get their eventually, but at the moment if she wants to make any concert money, she simply cant abandon the only fan base she has. Now, I think the idea of opening for other artists isnt a bad idea if she can get such a gig. It's clear who both audiences are. One is her existing older fan base and the other is potential younger fans. The marketing is geared for one fan base, while the music is geared for the other. She needs to choose a lane. Speaking of just live events/concerts...she has chosen the only lane currently available to her. She has neither the fan base, nor the music catalog of new, original music, to hold any concerts with just new material. There is no lane to chose yet...mabye in a couple of years if all goes well. In the meantime, if she wants to make any money, if she wants to hold shows/concerts and have anyone except a few OTTs show up, she has to mix the two. |
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Post by donkey on May 3, 2024 17:47:48 GMT -5
It's clear. She has to build a new audience and a catalog of a lot more known songs in order to hold a concert with just new stuff. She is nowhere near that now. Therefore, if she wants to hold concerts now and in the near term and have anyone but a couple of OTTs show up, and if she wants to make money, she has to mix the two. Its not rocket science. But it looks like, at least as of now, only a couple of the oldies are showing up, not many of the younger people she's hoping for. And if that continues will she even be able to book concerts? Granted she's between a rock and a hard place right now. She is having some decent sized audiences still(by Jackie standards) showing up to some events, like OC last year, her PA Xmas show last year, and even last month in Spring, TX. Before all her fans die off, and she probably has another five, seven, even ten years or so, she needs to work on building the new audience, thru more originals, lots of promotion, radio play, etc. But that takes time. She's basically starting from scratch with her new music, and using her name to get the little advantages that brings, like getting her interviews, the label she has, and at least some fans to hear her try out her new stuff in concert. Also keep in mind, we don't know that Jackie ever wants to totally stop singing the old stuff...in fact, she's said quite the opposite, that she will never totally abandon that music. But if we worked on the assumption she would leave it when she could, it will take time and success in gaining that new audience, which is of course far from guaranteed. |
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Post by 1 Guest on May 3, 2024 17:49:41 GMT -5
I didn't say that, the a-hole is at it again using my ID. Time for more to be done than deleting the comments, the IP needs to be blocked. We'll give it a shot. I have banned the IP of that poster. Thanks so much!! It's worth a shot. |
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Post by msims on May 3, 2024 18:15:47 GMT -5
She does have younger fans, be it on tiktok or from tms. There needs to be another interview/podcast with someone younger. And Italy could have been cancelled for scheduling reasons, she could have had an opportunity to book something else. Its that simple. Also she has bills to pay so gigs where she performs CC and the originals make sense. LoL...no, Italy WAS her schedule...it was a big deal for her. They likely just werent selling enough seats. And as far as younger fans go...when we look at the few events she has scheduled in recent years...including the one I went to...mostly older people...her fan base. And when you look at stats on places like YT...pretty much all the views are again, older people, primarily men. She has a few younger fans spread around, but its a tiny, insignificant percentage of her fan base...so much so it doesn't even register on the social media viewer stats, like on the two videos I posted on YT. And those have decent sample sizes, considering we are talking about Jackie here...one has 16.5k views and the other has 47k views. I'm all for being positive msims, but your comments just go against all evidence and can be summarily dismissed as a result. But I'll tell you what...if she suddenly announces some big money-making event for those September dates, you may have something there. But don't hold your breath. lol I have 14 years of knowledge and perspective, ive always posted facts and I only deal in evidence, but one has to be able to prove it, not just give biased theories. Im aware of the cancellations in the past and they didnt want her taking on too much but they would cancel for any reason, those kinds of cancellations would have meant a reverse on ones credit card though. I dont think the event was sold out, it was barely advertised. I find it hard to believe though that this company would simply cancel because of a lack of interest, thats just weird. They could get into a bit of legal trouble for doing that, people would be out of thousands. It would be very scammy. That being said, that frees her up schedule up which is a good thing, btw its also possible they may reschedule. |
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Post by Transition Tunes on May 3, 2024 18:19:51 GMT -5
You're right, she doesn't have 2 audiences. She has her old audience made up of seniors, the other audience is younger people that she's trying to reach. The problem is that most of the seniors don't like her new music. They're not all dying off, they're just turned off by what she's singing. Consequences and How Great Thou Art together just doesn't cut it. I get your point that her shows must be a mix so that she doesn't lose more seniors, but she's losing them regardless. She keeps saying that she's been writing songs for YEARS, yet look at how long it took for this 6 track EP to materialize. If she has more songs, record them already. She should have at the very least done some really good covers that were upbeat and not about going crazy if she can't come up with enough new material for a full album and enough material for concerts. It's clear. She has to build a new audience and a catalog of a lot more known songs in order to hold a concert with just new stuff. She is nowhere near that now. Therefore, if she wants to hold concerts now and in the near term and have anyone but a couple of OTTs show up, and if she wants to make money, she has to mix the two. Its not rocket science. Putting in a few oldies is fine, but for Jumping Jehosephat's sake she should not be singing churchy songs, sappy old songs, Phantom songs or Puccini songs along with BME and the other new ones. She could pluck a full set list out of her old albums that would please old and new fans alike. Here's a bunch of her album cuts that I'm sure would not disappoint anyone. There's an entire arrangeable playlist in there. No Puccini or Phantom required. Old people may want their classical or AGT songs, but they're not going to cry about an artist trying to move on. Angel Lovers Imaginer Memories My Immortal With or Without You The Rains of Castamere Apocalypse A Million Dreams She Used to Be Mine Solla (five songs) |
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Post by eulenspiegel on May 3, 2024 18:20:22 GMT -5
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Post by 🎱 on May 3, 2024 18:22:09 GMT -5
its also possible they may reschedule. According to Craft Tours website, In case of cancelled tours, they said, " we will do our best to reschedule the same tour on a different date in the future." |
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