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Post by msims on May 31, 2024 16:21:31 GMT -5
So, Cait/Caz is someone who fakes being a fan, but in reality, is someone who hates Jackie. Cait/Caz once in awhile say positive things about Jackie to not get called out. They waste their time coming to this forum to post about Jackie because they hate her. There were people on Amazon and may be people here who are quite close to that description. It might however be excessive to suppose that everyone that someone usually disagrees with must be one of those people. BOGC heres an example: I agree she getting low on fans, but she has had several recent concerts where she sold a decent # of seats. Xmas concert, OC summer concert, April concert in Spring, TX. While it's not a lot, its still some $$$ for Jackie. Easy for you to say give up the remaining $$$ in income for no $$$$ in a genre in which you have no fan base. Not going to happen, nor should it. You don't throw out he baby with the bath water. lol Sounds like you want Jackie to work bars and dives and mabye a winery or two and try to develop a new fan base that way. Its the only way she can do it with all new genre music, and it would take years to accomplish, if it happens at all, which is a long shot. She has no future in cc and barely a future in pop. She has to gamble with the remaining chips she has. If she stays in cc, she will go nowhere. Her success in pop is likely almost zero as well. But if she doesn't make a major move in building a pop fan base, her career is over. lololololol As I said its all schtick-y or a gimmick. At times the mask will come off of their version of a Jackie fan and you see glimpses of what he or she is really about. If an actual fan wants to be critical, theres ways of going about it with finesse and suggesting it. For instance I take vocal health very seriously (I mentioned those who hurt their voices) so if there is someone she could see that could help her before going on say the next tour, thats not negative. You want her to maintain that beautiful voice for many years. Just for fun I gave everything on this list a good listen. There is some 60 songs on that list btw. Jackie may have been #1 the week before. I can’t even criticize Jackie’s team without msims getting all hot 🥵 and bothered! Jackie confirmed in the interview that was posted on Tues that she has changed management, I time stamped this for you (34:20): Mike may have been her manager for a period of time but if you want to believe Mike is incompetent but got her on radio and overhead in stores, restaurants and malls then go ahead you wont be down voted. However as Jackie just said: " in the past" " who im with now" its clear to me she has changed management. The interviewer tells people to go to Jackie’s website to find all the latest information. ROFL! Don’t waste your time, there’s nothing to see here, please disperse, nothing to see here. 🫣 The 54 below concerts are on the event page.
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Post by donkey on May 31, 2024 19:05:58 GMT -5
There were people on Amazon and may be people here who are quite close to that description. It might however be excessive to suppose that everyone that someone usually disagrees with must be one of those people. BOGC heres an example: She has no future in cc and barely a future in pop. She has to gamble with the remaining chips she has. If she stays in cc, she will go nowhere. Her success in pop is likely almost zero as well. But if she doesn't make a major move in building a pop fan base, her career is over. lololololol As I said its all schtick-y or a gimmick. At times the mask will come off of their version of a Jackie fan and you see glimpses of what he or she is really about. If an actual fan wants to be critical, theres ways of going about it with finesse and suggesting it. For instance I take vocal health very seriously (I mentioned those who hurt their voices) so if there is someone she could see that could help her before going on say the next tour, thats not negative. You want her to maintain that beautiful voice for many years. Just for fun I gave everything on this list a good listen. There is some 60 songs on that list btw. Jackie may have been #1 the week before. I can’t even criticize Jackie’s team without msims getting all hot 🥵 and bothered! Jackie confirmed in the interview that was posted on Tues that she has changed management, I time stamped this for you (34:20): Mike may have been her manager for a period of time but if you want to believe Mike is incompetent but got her on radio and overhead in stores, restaurants and malls then go ahead you wont be down voted. However as Jackie just said: " in the past" " who im with now" its clear to me she has changed management. The interviewer tells people to go to Jackie’s website to find all the latest information. ROFL! Don’t waste your time, there’s nothing to see here, please disperse, nothing to see here. 🫣 The 54 below concerts are on the event page. Took a while...only happened a few days after I bugged her about it. AND, she still left the April 20th concert on there for some reason. And, there is a window at the bottom of that page that says, "no concerts scheduled". Its kind of a mess.
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Post by colt46 on May 31, 2024 19:18:52 GMT -5
Clean up your social media sites Jackie, you are a big girl now!
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Post by richard on May 31, 2024 19:56:00 GMT -5
Well Jackie's interview prove I was right over the years. Jackie was not the happy camper her OTTs claimed she was. As for being more mature than the so called moppets she said she didn't stop trying to be the 10 year old until covid so she would have been in her 20's. Now she admits just how important social media is while her OTT fans claimed it wasn't necessary for Jackie. Only a foolish management couldn't see that all the young celebrities of Jackie's generation were gaining thousands if not millions of more fans than her and to think that it won't make a difference some day is down right stupid. Don't feed me this crap of someone several generations older than Jackie didn't need social media or a large fan base, those day are long gone.
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Post by colt46 on May 31, 2024 20:06:18 GMT -5
Jackie could have been far ahead of where she is now if she only had proper management! A mom and pop operation isn’t going to cut it, they didn’t have the experience to do what was needed to help their daughter!
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Post by msims on May 31, 2024 20:07:42 GMT -5
You forgot this whopper and this (new article about Molly Ringwald) Smsim, you have a disturbing habit of posting information about young women who been have harassed or subject to potential harm, but you don't explain the purpose of your post. It seems like you are trying to put these women in a bad light (like when you tried to makelook bad for defending herself online). Are you blaming the victim here?If I got this wrong, then defend yourself by explaining the point you are trying to make. Stop being cryptic and assuming everyone knows what the hell you're talking about. Jackie's amazon community discussion page had *bleep* all to do with "young women" and everything to do with Jackie (that doesn't mean real fans don't support other young women or other artists, but when in rome don't order chinese). You push or enable Rickky pushing Jackie in a misogynistic competition with these "young women" and then praise them, when they have had worse PR or otherwise issues and taste is subjective. I read a reddit page about OR fans concerned with how shes going to make it through a tour because her voice is weak and she has issues with being in key. But all that is mentioned here is how her tour sold out months in advance, thats great FOR HER but not for Jackie fans who are waiting for tour dates.
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Post by msims on May 31, 2024 20:13:37 GMT -5
HC's reputation is still probably okay although she set the example that Cait and Rickky followed to this day. The pushing of other singers that Jackie fans arent interested in which doesn't stop it even a little bit and the pitting of fans against fans but not wanting entirely to get her hands dirty. The occasional disingenuous compliment thrown in for manipulative purposes so she wont be called out and obviously being considered a "she" helps. All the issues caused had fans leaving the old amazon and eventually she left as it was found out that was involved in some capacity with an opera singer. Her and her friends I found did not like Jackie whatsoever I think her goal was to hurt the forum. The posters I describe as Cait its one or two people at the most clowning behind various guests and registered accounts. It really doesn't make sense or have to make sense why someone would post on a forum about someone they hate, the internet is full of trolls and people seeking negative attention. That includes some of the spam. So, Cait/Caz is someone who fakes being a fan, but in reality, is someone who hates Jackie. Cait/Caz once in awhile say positive things about Jackie to not get called out. They waste their time coming to this forum to post about Jackie because they hate her. OK, got it. BOGC was writing about MAwriter. Her manipulation was different (she mostly got away with it until the end) than Caz who is far less crafty who resorts to gaslighting (calling someone insane would qualify as gaslighting) and different accounts. The different accounts work together to facilitate various BS talking points. I wrote about this already. I don't know why or care why a person would do that, but as I said yesterday its boredom and likely immaturity. Just know that im on to it and thats why you're lashing out. As Jackie said in the interview you loved from Tues at 10:44 "something they dont like about themselves so they take it out on you" In other words: projection.
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Post by msims on May 31, 2024 20:22:25 GMT -5
all the young celebrities of Jackie's generationNope, you guys are WAY in the past. Jackie's generation was from the period of 2010 (prior to the social media boom) and in the next five years or so after. We are now nearly 14 years later. How is someone who just broke out in the last few years or five, competing with Jackie? That is ridiculous. Id ask the posters here, with the ONE exception of Taylor Swift: if you are so comfortable with streaming and the pay outs these artists are making. What makes you think fans of these artists or so called "young women" are going to pay over the course of a decade $200+ tickets for each tour when they get their music for free? You think thats possible?
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Post by WTF? on May 31, 2024 20:31:49 GMT -5
Smsim, you have a disturbing habit of posting information about young women who been have harassed or subject to potential harm, but you don't explain the purpose of your post. It seems like you are trying to put these women in a bad light (like when you tried to make GRACE* look bad for defending herself online). Are you blaming the victim here?If I got this wrong, then defend yourself by explaining the point you are trying to make. Stop being cryptic and assuming everyone knows what the hell you're talking about. Jackie's amazon community discussion page had *bleep* all to do with "young women" and everything to do with Jackie (that doesn't mean real fans don't support other young women or other artists, but when in rome don't order chinese). You push or enable Rickky pushing Jackie in a misogynistic competition with these "young women" and then praise them, when they have had worse PR or otherwise issues and taste is subjective. I read a reddit page about OR fans concerned with how shes going to make it through a tour because her voice is weak and she has issues with being in key. But all that is mentioned here is how her tour sold out months in advance, thats great FOR HER but not for Jackie fans who are waiting for tour dates. *Re-inserted childishly deleted name of a perfectly harmless singer/actress/model named Grace. In any other forum, modifying someone's post could easily get you banned. As to the rest of what your reply talks about... again... WTF? I'm not sure if you're talking to me or someone else, but it has "*bleep* all" to do with what I said.
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Post by Socal Fan on May 31, 2024 21:31:23 GMT -5
Id ask the posters here, with the ONE exception of Taylor Swift: if you are so comfortable with streaming and the pay outs these artists are making. What makes you think fans of these artists or so called "young women" are going to pay over the course of a decade $200+ tickets for each tour when they get their music for free? You think thats possible? "if you are so comfortable with streaming and the pay outs these artists are making."
I am perfectly comfortable with what artists are paid for their streams. If they don't think they are being paid enough, nobody is stopping them from looking elsewhere for a larger income. It's a free country. "What makes you think fans of these artists or so called "young women" are going to pay over the course of a decade $200+ tickets for each tour when they get their music for free? You think thats possible?"Most people in showbiz are starving artists. But a number do well. Consider Tate Mcrae, who is far from Taylor Swift. This is the seat map for her upcoming Madison Square Garden concert on Aug 22: www.ticketmaster.com/event/3B005F61A73C12A3If you zoom in, you will see that the entire huge arena is sold out except for 66 seats. Those seats, which are fairly good but not great, cost $481 or $528. I think that answers your question very definitively.
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Post by Socal Fan on May 31, 2024 21:43:57 GMT -5
I read a reddit page about OR [Oivia Rodrigo] fans concerned with how shes going to make it through a tour because her voice is weak Reminds me of Jackie fans concerned with how she was going to make it through a tour because her voice was weak. Jackie has solved that problem by not going on tours.
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Post by donkey on May 31, 2024 23:13:30 GMT -5
I read a reddit page about OR [Oivia Rodrigo] fans concerned with how shes going to make it through a tour because her voice is weak Reminds me of Jackie fans concerned with how she was going to make it through a tour because her voice was weak. Jackie has solved that problem by not going on tours.
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Post by colt46 on Jun 1, 2024 1:03:27 GMT -5
Notice how msims likes to knock other singers, I like a lot of different singers it would be boring to just like one! I like a variety !
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Post by amg1977 on Jun 1, 2024 10:55:14 GMT -5
all the young celebrities of Jackie's generationNope, you guys are WAY in the past. Jackie's generation was from the period of 2010 (prior to the social media boom) and in the next five years or so after. We are now nearly 14 years later. How is someone who just broke out in the last few years or five, competing with Jackie? That is ridiculous. Id ask the posters here, with the ONE exception of Taylor Swift: if you are so comfortable with streaming and the pay outs these artists are making. What makes you think fans of these artists or so called "young women" are going to pay over the course of a decade $200+ tickets for each tour when they get their music for free? You think thats possible? Someone's generation is determined by when they were born. Anyone born in the years 1997-2012 (exact boundaries can vary slightly by demographic source) is considered "Gen Z." That would include everyone who currently falls between ages 12 through 27. Jackie, Olivia, Tate, the Zieglers, Grace, Emily, Angelina Jordan, and Jojo Siwa are all of the same generation. Their audience might skew differently (Jackie's would skew older and Jojo's younger) but these young women are all of the same generation. The claim that not paying for music somehow negatively affects concert sales is absurd. It actually gives them more disposable income to spend on concerts. Reality is that streaming has been around for a decade now and concert attendance only dipped when there weren't any due to the pandemic. Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo, and others get large numbers to fill stadiums. The only thing that would hurt attendance in general is skyrocketing ticket prices. For a particular artist, ticket sales could suffer if they for whatever reason were no longer popular. However, that would be a problem with the artist rather than streaming.
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Post by Lasalle Ran Great on Jun 1, 2024 22:47:07 GMT -5
Ah, the good old days. Remember when people went to the Main Category board to talk about music, and the Politics board to talk about politics?
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