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Post by johnnyb on Jul 7, 2024 10:24:44 GMT -5
If the mask is the problem, then all Jackie needs to do is wear a Kitty costume every time she performs. Problem solved. Unfortunately, that's not the problem. The problem is songwriting and charisma. Jackie's too shy, awkward, and insecure to be Kitty onstage without the anonymity of a costume. Jackie does quite well on stage considering her insecurities, but make no mistake, she has major insecurities. And, she's VERY sensitive. She can't even talk about having conflict without tearing up. She also is still battling her mental issues. I think that Jackie is more fragile than many really understand, largely because she hides it a lot. But if you are paying attention and watch enough interviews, and especially if you have been to a recent concert...you become only too aware. Any notions about her having a persona transplant, or just letting lose on stage and losing all her inhibitions is folly and fantasy. She does very well just to do what she is doing now, and I for one am very proud of her. To have such significant mental health issues, admit it, talk about it, be in treatment for it, and still be able to perform has to be incredibly hard. Anxiety, depression, and the hardest eating disorder to treat is a full load and then some, and she is still very much in that fight. Just something like generalized anxiety alone can be freaking exhausting. She is trying to rewire her brain and rewire her way of thinking, and that is a lot of work, takes years, and is really tough to do. Jackie can write songs and sing a handful of concerts a year...and how she should best do that is reasonable conversation. But talk of her changing who she is on stage isn't a realistic conversation, other than mabye over time gaining more confidence in the music she is writing hopefully. She has enough on her mental plate...her plate is full. She's not changing who she is onstage anytime soon. A duet with you might::
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Post by donkey on Jul 7, 2024 11:27:36 GMT -5
Jackie's too shy, awkward, and insecure to be Kitty onstage without the anonymity of a costume. Jackie does quite well on stage considering her insecurities, but make no mistake, she has major insecurities. And, she's VERY sensitive. She can't even talk about having conflict without tearing up. She also is still battling her mental issues. I think that Jackie is more fragile than many really understand, largely because she hides it a lot. But if you are paying attention and watch enough interviews, and especially if you have been to a recent concert...you become only too aware. Any notions about her having a persona transplant, or just letting lose on stage and losing all her inhibitions is folly and fantasy. She does very well just to do what she is doing now, and I for one am very proud of her. To have such significant mental health issues, admit it, talk about it, be in treatment for it, and still be able to perform has to be incredibly hard. Anxiety, depression, and the hardest eating disorder to treat is a full load and then some, and she is still very much in that fight. Just something like generalized anxiety alone can be freaking exhausting. She is trying to rewire her brain and rewire her way of thinking, and that is a lot of work, takes years, and is really tough to do. Jackie can write songs and sing a handful of concerts a year...and how she should best do that is reasonable conversation. But talk of her changing who she is on stage isn't a realistic conversation, other than mabye over time gaining more confidence in the music she is writing hopefully. She has enough on her mental plate...her plate is full. She's not changing who she is onstage anytime soon. A duet with you might:: Well, I do have a flair for singing, and I do like the spotlight...so it could happen. Mabye I should send Jackie this audition tape and see if she'll agree to do a duet with me at her next performance.
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Post by richard on Jul 7, 2024 12:19:11 GMT -5
If the mask is the problem, then all Jackie needs to do is wear a Kitty costume every time she performs. Problem solved. Unfortunately, that's not the problem. The problem is songwriting and charisma. Jackie's too shy, awkward, and insecure to be Kitty onstage without the anonymity of a costume. Jackie does quite well on stage considering her insecurities, but make no mistake, she has major insecurities. And, she's VERY sensitive. She can't even talk about having conflict without tearing up. She also is still battling her mental issues. I think that Jackie is more fragile than many really understand, largely because she hides it a lot. But if you are paying attention and watch enough interviews, and especially if you have been to a recent concert...you become only too aware. Any notions about her having a persona transplant, or just letting lose on stage and losing all her inhibitions is folly and fantasy. She does very well just to do what she is doing now, and I for one am very proud of her. To have such significant mental health issues, admit it, talk about it, be in treatment for it, and still be able to perform has to be incredibly hard. Anxiety, depression, and the hardest eating disorder to treat is a full load and then some, and she is still very much in that fight. Just something like generalized anxiety alone can be freaking exhausting. She is trying to rewire her brain and rewire her way of thinking, and that is a lot of work, takes years, and is really tough to do. Jackie can write songs and sing a handful of concerts a year...and how she should best do that is reasonable conversation. But talk of her changing who she is on stage isn't a realistic conversation, other than mabye over time gaining more confidence in the music she is writing hopefully. She has enough on her mental plate...her plate is full. She's not changing who she is onstage anytime soon. But Jackie's parents were raising her up right Keeping her grounded (What ever that is supposed to mean) unlike those Z-Girls that will become socially awkward. The 4th of July is a time to party with your friends it good to see both Jackie and Kenzie partying with their friends on the fourth of July. http://instagram.com/p/C9BPYGdpwTP Kenzie's 4th party She even paid for a catering company to feed her guest. http://instagram.com/p/C9BSe62P1V- http://instagram.com/p/C9DmPyVy-NF I don't know who all's there but some of them must be very well known like the girl in the brown tea shirt has 16.5 million instagram followers and 42.3 million TikTok followers. Almost all the videos and pictures coming from the party is from people that were there. Like I said if Jackie was really doing thing others would post it.
I am sure to Gen-Z Jackie must look like the most boring person in the world and it shows on her social numbers. Jackie may be able to work with someone over 60 on stage but she will never work with any one popular today unless she can turn things around. And having a platform based on all negativity is not going to win anyone over.
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Post by donkey on Jul 7, 2024 13:14:18 GMT -5
Jackie's too shy, awkward, and insecure to be Kitty onstage without the anonymity of a costume. Jackie does quite well on stage considering her insecurities, but make no mistake, she has major insecurities. And, she's VERY sensitive. She can't even talk about having conflict without tearing up. She also is still battling her mental issues. I think that Jackie is more fragile than many really understand, largely because she hides it a lot. But if you are paying attention and watch enough interviews, and especially if you have been to a recent concert...you become only too aware. Any notions about her having a persona transplant, or just letting lose on stage and losing all her inhibitions is folly and fantasy. She does very well just to do what she is doing now, and I for one am very proud of her. To have such significant mental health issues, admit it, talk about it, be in treatment for it, and still be able to perform has to be incredibly hard. Anxiety, depression, and the hardest eating disorder to treat is a full load and then some, and she is still very much in that fight. Just something like generalized anxiety alone can be freaking exhausting. She is trying to rewire her brain and rewire her way of thinking, and that is a lot of work, takes years, and is really tough to do. Jackie can write songs and sing a handful of concerts a year...and how she should best do that is reasonable conversation. But talk of her changing who she is on stage isn't a realistic conversation, other than mabye over time gaining more confidence in the music she is writing hopefully. She has enough on her mental plate...her plate is full. She's not changing who she is onstage anytime soon. But Jackie's parents were raising her up right Keeping her grounded (What ever that is supposed to mean) unlike those Z-Girls that will become socially awkward. The 4th of July is a time to party with your friends it good to see both Jackie and Kenzie partying with their friends on the fourth of July. http://instagram.com/p/C9BPYGdpwTP Kenzie's 4th party She even paid for a catering company to feed her guest. http://instagram.com/p/C9BSe62P1V- http://instagram.com/p/C9DmPyVy-NF I don't know who all's there but some of them must be very well known like the girl in the brown tea shirt has 16.5 million instagram followers and 42.3 million TikTok followers. Almost all the videos and pictures coming from the party is from people that were there. Like I said if Jackie was really doing thing others would post it.
I am sure to Gen-Z Jackie must look like the most boring person in the world and it shows on her social numbers. Jackie may be able to work with someone over 60 on stage but she will never work with any one popular today unless she can turn things around. And having a platform based on all negativity is not going to win anyone over.
A little bit judgy, aren't we? I'm sure that Maggie is fine company on July 4th. lol Besides, some people dont hang around people their own age, drinking and partying when they are in their 20s. I sure didnt...couldnt stand being around most people my age and I sure as hell wasn't a partier or someone who had any interest in hanging with groups of people To each his own. If Jackie prefers going somewhere with a friend or family member instead the images you posted, good for her. A lot of people do that as well. She's conservative and pretty introverted (and cautious). And what social life she does have, she keeps private most of the time...any normal friends or dates or extended family members likely want nothing to do with the limelight and want to be kept off camera.
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Post by Guest 4 on Jul 7, 2024 13:14:57 GMT -5
Anyone who has followed Jackie is well aware of her problems and I'm sure most of them sympathize. Many likely have their own issues, so they can empathize as well. Maybe that inspires concert attendance, but I assume most people go to concerts because they liked an album or a song so much that they want to hear it performed live. Jackie takes pleasure in singing, so if that's therapy for her then all the better.
I strongly believe that the vast majority of past concert attendees have no interest in another "been there, done that" setlist. They're looking to her to bring fresh material to the stage. The 54 Below show was obviously a cabaret review, so I'll assume for now that her future concerts won't be a repeat of that format. As for future shows I don't think anyone expects dancers and pyrotechnics, but audiences nevertheless want to be as excited to be there as they were when they bought the ticket.
As for me, I just want to hear a good band play. Solla was recorded with a band, and that's what I would buy tickets for. But there hasn't been any clear indication from Jackie on what she's planning, especially whether she will have a band at all. One thing I'm clear on: I won't be paying to hear an old setlist, nor to see her sing Behind My Eyes standing next to a piano.
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Post by donkey on Jul 7, 2024 13:27:59 GMT -5
Anyone who has followed Jackie is well aware of her problems and I'm sure most of them sympathize. Many likely have their own issues, so they can empathize as well. Maybe that inspires concert attendance, but I assume most people go to concerts because they liked an album or a song so much that they want to hear it performed live. Jackie takes pleasure in singing, so if that's therapy for her then all the better. I strongly believe that the vast majority of past concert attendees have no interest in another "been there, done that" setlist. They're looking to her to bring fresh material to the stage. The 54 Below show was obviously a cabaret review, so I'll assume for now that her future concerts won't be a repeat of that format. As for future shows I don't think anyone expects dancers and pyrotechnics, but audiences nevertheless want to be as excited to be there as they were when they bought the ticket. As for me, I just want to hear a good band play. Solla was recorded with a band, and that's what I would buy tickets for. But there hasn't been any clear indication from Jackie on what she's planning, especially whether she will have a band at all. One thing I'm clear on: I won't be paying to hear an old setlist, nor to see her sing Behind My Eyes standing next to a piano. I'll pay to hear the older stuff, especially if she mixes it up and doesn't sing the same stuff over and over. There are a lot of older songs that she hasn't sung in years that I would love to hear again. She added Ave Maria and Can You Feel the Love Tonight to the 54 Below set list, and the Rains of Castamere....I really enjoyed that. She needs to cycle thru the classic Jackie songs more to keep it fresher. As far as the new stuff goes....she doesnt have nearly enough original songs for a whole show, and wont likely for at least a couple more years. So, not sure what you are suggesting she do there. Unless she opens for someone, which I think is unlikely, or just play a few songs in a local bar or dive, I don't really know what you expect of her on that front. I do agree, her new songs need percussion added, at a minimum, and mabye a bass player. But she has neither the audience or quantity of material to pay for a band or fill up a set list. Best she can do is what she has done, fill up a show with Jackie classics, and mix some new stuff in, preferably with a drummer and singing more than just two new songs in a show.
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Post by Guest 4 on Jul 7, 2024 13:36:28 GMT -5
Anyone who has followed Jackie is well aware of her problems and I'm sure most of them sympathize. Many likely have their own issues, so they can empathize as well. Maybe that inspires concert attendance, but I assume most people go to concerts because they liked an album or a song so much that they want to hear it performed live. Jackie takes pleasure in singing, so if that's therapy for her then all the better. I strongly believe that the vast majority of past concert attendees have no interest in another "been there, done that" setlist. They're looking to her to bring fresh material to the stage. The 54 Below show was obviously a cabaret review, so I'll assume for now that her future concerts won't be a repeat of that format. As for future shows I don't think anyone expects dancers and pyrotechnics, but audiences nevertheless want to be as excited to be there as they were when they bought the ticket. As for me, I just want to hear a good band play. Solla was recorded with a band, and that's what I would buy tickets for. But there hasn't been any clear indication from Jackie on what she's planning, especially whether she will have a band at all. One thing I'm clear on: I won't be paying to hear an old setlist, nor to see her sing Behind My Eyes standing next to a piano. I'll pay to hear the older stuff, especially if she mixes it up and doesn't sing the same stuff over and over. There are a lot of older songs that she hasn't sung in years that I would love to hear again. She added Ave Maria and Can You Feel the Love Tonight to the 54 Below set list, and the Rains of Castamere....I really enjoyed that. She needs to cycle thru the classic Jackie songs more to keep it fresher. As far as the new stuff goes....she doesnt have nearly enough original songs for a whole show, and wont likely for at least a couple more years. So, not sure what you are suggesting she do there. Unless she opens for someone, which I think is unlikely, or just play a few songs in a local bar or dive, I don't really know what you expect of her on that front. I do agree, her new songs need percussion added, at a minimum, and mabye a bass player. But she has neither the audience or quantity of material to pay for a band or fill up a set list. Best she can do is what she has done, fill up a show with Jackie classics, and mix some new stuff in, preferably with a drummer and singing more than just two new songs in a show. I'm not suggesting she do anything. I'm saying what I think draws people to concerts, and what I'm willing to pay for if she comes to my area.
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Post by colt46 on Jul 7, 2024 14:06:24 GMT -5
If Jackie comes to my area I am going, even it’s just her voice and nothing else!
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Post by colt46 on Jul 7, 2024 14:08:52 GMT -5
Slamming Jackie because of what she didn’t do on the 4th of July ! I don’t think it’s fair to do that, she can’t be something she’s not!
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Post by eulenspiegel on Jul 7, 2024 14:10:49 GMT -5
It is entertainment..most of your JE posts are off topic.. why no posting in a JE thread..creating new JE sub threads..like a 54 Barlow 2024 thread..an album thread…a song thread..my posts are way more on topic than most of your kindergarden quarrels..you are discussing the same 4 JE topics for years now.. management, father, mother, sister..gets a little bit boring and feels stupid This thread is for subjects related to Jackie or subjects of general interest. Subjects less related to Jackie like Jacob Collier and Emily Bear (who are not primarily singers) are allowed but only occasionally and not frequently. Such posts should be mostly on other threads. Horse shows are off-topic. It is called „General Discussion Entertainment“ ..and the opening even of a horse show is entertainment..especially here..when there is more music than in al JE gigs..btw. in the horse of symphony show..the Aachen Symphony Orchestra played ..Karajan started his career in Germans dark times there..a 2 hour show with a symphonic orchestra. So it was not off topic..even hundred times more on topic..than 99,99999999% of your ridiculous JE family/management posts ..btw. the same posts every day for 10 years now..nothing changed… btw. what about starting finally a few specific JE threads.. Oh I forgot ..all the off topic posts on Zieglers, Vanderwall…90% are not about entertainment..but discussing offtopic points..friends, untalented brats of friends.. a bunch of white rich kids trash..without an ounce of talent..
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Post by eulenspiegel on Jul 7, 2024 14:13:22 GMT -5
Jackie's too shy, awkward, and insecure to be Kitty onstage without the anonymity of a costume. Jackie does quite well on stage considering her insecurities, but make no mistake, she has major insecurities. And, she's VERY sensitive. She can't even talk about having conflict without tearing up. She also is still battling her mental issues. I think that Jackie is more fragile than many really understand, largely because she hides it a lot. But if you are paying attention and watch enough interviews, and especially if you have been to a recent concert...you become only too aware. Any notions about her having a persona transplant, or just letting lose on stage and losing all her inhibitions is folly and fantasy. She does very well just to do what she is doing now, and I for one am very proud of her. To have such significant mental health issues, admit it, talk about it, be in treatment for it, and still be able to perform has to be incredibly hard. Anxiety, depression, and the hardest eating disorder to treat is a full load and then some, and she is still very much in that fight. Just something like generalized anxiety alone can be freaking exhausting. She is trying to rewire her brain and rewire her way of thinking, and that is a lot of work, takes years, and is really tough to do. Jackie can write songs and sing a handful of concerts a year...and how she should best do that is reasonable conversation. But talk of her changing who she is on stage isn't a realistic conversation, other than mabye over time gaining more confidence in the music she is writing hopefully. She has enough on her mental plate...her plate is full. She's not changing who she is onstage anytime soon. But Jackie's parents were raising her up right Keeping her grounded (What ever that is supposed to mean) unlike those Z-Girls that will become socially awkward. The 4th of July is a time to party with your friends it good to see both Jackie and Kenzie partying with their friends on the fourth of July. http://instagram.com/p/C9BPYGdpwTP Kenzie's 4th party She even paid for a catering company to feed her guest. http://instagram.com/p/C9BSe62P1V- http://instagram.com/p/C9DmPyVy-NF I don't know who all's there but some of them must be very well known like the girl in the brown tea shirt has 16.5 million instagram followers and 42.3 million TikTok followers. Almost all the videos and pictures coming from the party is from people that were there. Like I said if Jackie was really doing thing others would post it.
I am sure to Gen-Z Jackie must look like the most boring person in the world and it shows on her social numbers. Jackie may be able to work with someone over 60 on stage but she will never work with any one popular today unless she can turn things around. And having a platform based on all negativity is not going to win anyone over.
When I see these photos ..I could puke.. posting one or two times a year bikini, pool etc.. but these kids are just parasatic..having money..but really doing nothing..not working..nothing..only parasatic.. They are not friends..only enjoying the money of her rich friend. Very likely every employee of the catering company has more talent and value for society than these bunch of losers.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 7, 2024 14:26:54 GMT -5
It is called „General Discussion Entertainment“ ..and the opening even of a horse show is entertainment.. You looked at the name of this thread but you forgot to look at the name of the forum in the big picture all the way at the top.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Jul 7, 2024 14:38:33 GMT -5
It is called „General Discussion Entertainment“ ..and the opening even of a horse show is entertainment.. You looked at the name of this thread but you forgot to look at the name of the forum in the big picture all the way at the top. Again..create JE threads…but this is a General Discussion Entertainment!!!! thread…a post about a strip club party would be more on topic than 99,99 % than all the JE, Ziegler posts on this thread General discussion means general discussion..about entertainment in this case …discussing boring JE family issues..or posting rich white trash teens pool, bikini posts is not entertainment.. I could have posted last week photos from a bachelor trip before a wedding of one of Emily‘s female friends..but I thought..that is not entertainment..but working women having some fun.. most of the photos were made by the CIO digital of Fox Model Agency…so. yes…Emily is also wealthy, has rich friends..but in contrast to the Zieglers they work…in normal life…
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Post by Socal Fan on Jul 7, 2024 14:44:35 GMT -5
As far as the new stuff goes....she doesnt have nearly enough original songs for a whole show, and wont likely for at least a couple more years. The irony is this quote from Lisa's Facebook page around Jan 2021: jackie-amazon.proboards.com/post/42988/threadWhat you don't get to see are some of the crazy cool, amazing songs she has already written, but her current management and the labels have always forced her into a box they feel is most profitable for them all the while ignoring the beautiful, soulful gifts inside her - always ignoring and never encouraging, nourishing or even validating these hidden gifts that would propel her to greater confidence and growth as a musician and artist.So I wonder: where are these crazy cool amazing songs? In fact, from the beginning, Lisa talked about Jackie's creativity and great original songs. But after a 14 year career, all we have are 6 Solla songs and 1 Christmas song. My guess is that Lisa is like every other parent who thinks their child is a genius and a gift to humanity.
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Post by 1 Guest on Jul 7, 2024 14:51:42 GMT -5
Anyone who has followed Jackie is well aware of her problems and I'm sure most of them sympathize. Many likely have their own issues, so they can empathize as well. Maybe that inspires concert attendance, but I assume most people go to concerts because they liked an album or a song so much that they want to hear it performed live. Jackie takes pleasure in singing, so if that's therapy for her then all the better. I strongly believe that the vast majority of past concert attendees have no interest in another "been there, done that" setlist. They're looking to her to bring fresh material to the stage. The 54 Below show was obviously a cabaret review, so I'll assume for now that her future concerts won't be a repeat of that format. As for future shows I don't think anyone expects dancers and pyrotechnics, but audiences nevertheless want to be as excited to be there as they were when they bought the ticket. As for me, I just want to hear a good band play. Solla was recorded with a band, and that's what I would buy tickets for. But there hasn't been any clear indication from Jackie on what she's planning, especially whether she will have a band at all. One thing I'm clear on: I won't be paying to hear an old setlist, nor to see her sing Behind My Eyes standing next to a piano. I'll pay to hear the older stuff, especially if she mixes it up and doesn't sing the same stuff over and over. There are a lot of older songs that she hasn't sung in years that I would love to hear again. She added Ave Maria and Can You Feel the Love Tonight to the 54 Below set list, and the Rains of Castamere....I really enjoyed that. She needs to cycle thru the classic Jackie songs more to keep it fresher. As far as the new stuff goes....she doesnt have nearly enough original songs for a whole show, and wont likely for at least a couple more years. So, not sure what you are suggesting she do there. Unless she opens for someone, which I think is unlikely, or just play a few songs in a local bar or dive, I don't really know what you expect of her on that front. I do agree, her new songs need percussion added, at a minimum, and mabye a bass player. But she has neither the audience or quantity of material to pay for a band or fill up a set list. Best she can do is what she has done, fill up a show with Jackie classics, and mix some new stuff in, preferably with a drummer and singing more than just two new songs in a show. True, she doesn't have enough new, original material, but what's wrong with singing some good, upbeat covers? After all the majority of what she's been singing all of these years is covers, but they're mostly old, slooooooooooooooooooooooow covers. She can sing her new, original song with along something other than ND and hymns. If she keeps singing a track list like she did at 54 Below, well, good luck to her.
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