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Post by richard on Sept 27, 2024 15:15:29 GMT -5
The Shelter in Detroit is the infamous spot where Eminem used to rap battle (featured in the movie 8 mile). It has a capacity of 400. If Echosmith is performing there and Jackie is opening FOR them at venues similar in size...without sounding negative - that really puts into perspective how much her career has fallen. Just 10 years ago she was performing at the Fox Theatre in Detroit just down the road... Seems the average venue size is about 300 I don't know much about Echosmith but they seem to have had 2 good hits but nothing in the last several years . It's no wonder that the lead singer is going on her own and it looks like she was the main part of the band. I sort of felt bad for Sabrina Carpenter opening for Taylor Swift but at least Taylor's Eras tour had good size venues. I think it show just how desperate Jackie is and what state her career is in when she becomes the opening act for a band at such small venues. |
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Post by Guest 4 on Sept 27, 2024 15:19:32 GMT -5
The Hollywood Reporter interview with Grace was a good read. She's a thinker in a way that is familiar to me. She seems to have a mind that iterates and analyzes and deals with things that have come and gone pretty well, and if she's in control of, or in sync with, the rapidly spinning wheels in her mind, she's at her best. Being in control of her own artistry (and being allowed to control it) amps her up.
But I've alway seen a bit of the tortured artist in her, which is both a blessing and a curse. Some of her best stuff came out of her when life was not going her way at all. I think it takes time for her to get over her traumas, which is why I think she has tended to discount her past work until she's had time to reflect on it. She seems ok now with the very early years, but I don't think she's quite caught up to dealing with the sudden crash that brought a halt to her forward momentum during the covid lockdown. We won't see anything of that era get released or talked about much until she has fully processed it. At the age she is now, there is too much coming at her (and too much she's trying to accomplish) to afford the time needed to process more recent events. I think that will take until her 30s at least.
Speaking of processing things, she said she doesn't have any friends, and I haven't heard her actually say that before. She will probably confront the reasons for that eventually, but she's too self-absorbed right now to reflect on that. Personally, I would find her rapidly spinning wheels, combined with her apparent need to be the center of attention, very tiresome. Being a non-celebrity friend to any celebrity of her age would be tiresome to most people. She's got a lot to deal with, and her songwriting seems to be the best medicine for that.
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Post by Guest 4 on Sept 27, 2024 15:25:10 GMT -5
The Shelter in Detroit is the infamous spot where Eminem used to rap battle (featured in the movie 8 mile). It has a capacity of 400. If Echosmith is performing there and Jackie is opening FOR them at venues similar in size...without sounding negative - that really puts into perspective how much her career has fallen. Just 10 years ago she was performing at the Fox Theatre in Detroit just down the road... Seems the average venue size is about 300 I don't know much about Echosmith but they seem to have had 2 good hits but nothing in the last several years . It's no wonder that the lead singer is going on her own and it looks like she was the main part of the band. I sort of felt bad for Sabrina Carpenter opening for Taylor Swift but at least Taylor's Eras tour had good size venues. I think it show just how desperate Jackie is and what state her career is in when she becomes the opening act for a band at such small venues. But still better than nothing. Jackie is just going to have to adjust and re-adjust her plans and expectations. I think it might be a good sign that she's taking this opening gig. The days of being a headlining solo act are behind her. She has to be acknowledging that to some extent. |
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Post by donkey on Sept 27, 2024 15:54:18 GMT -5
Seems the average venue size is about 300 I don't know much about Echosmith but they seem to have had 2 good hits but nothing in the last several years . It's no wonder that the lead singer is going on her own and it looks like she was the main part of the band. I sort of felt bad for Sabrina Carpenter opening for Taylor Swift but at least Taylor's Eras tour had good size venues. I think it show just how desperate Jackie is and what state her career is in when she becomes the opening act for a band at such small venues. But still better than nothing. Jackie is just going to have to adjust and re-adjust her plans and expectations. I think it might be a good sign that she's taking this opening gig. The days of being a headlining solo act are behind her. She has to be acknowledging that to some extent. I don't know that it's much better than nothing. But it's something anyway, I guess. A dying alt group whose lead singer is jumping ship...that's who she's opening for in small venues. She can practice singing her original songs in front of small, younger crowds I suppose. Mabye IF she gets positive crowd reaction, it will give her more confidence to sing more of them at her own shows. Apparently she's only doing the December shows, so it's not that big or that long of a commitment anyway, so there's nothing really to lose doing it. |
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Post by colt46 on Sept 27, 2024 16:38:40 GMT -5
Wow Donkey 🫏 your enthusiasm is amazing 🤩,no I am just being sarcastic! I am hoping Jackie gains a lot from this experience in the December concerts ! I like giving a positive vibe to this not being a party pooper !
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Post by msims on Sept 27, 2024 16:46:49 GMT -5
As far as others having to work harder, the reality is they worked more because they had more opportunities. More modeling opportunities because they show their dirty pillows, fanny, and Vajayjay. This is not an Only fans discussion. Not a single one is sufficiently good in music and im not talking about just JoJo. In several words you used a talking point pushed by Rickky that Jackie's Parents didn't hire management as well as a history that is not something you would know unless you lied about being around in the first two years of amazon. Ive repeated multiple times they hired Marc Johnston who then was let go at some point in the last five years (its not unusual for an artist to change management). And voice over work when shes recording albums and touring, why? archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=53803220&itype=CMSID You argued that she hasn't recorded a CC album since Two Hearts (Part 2 included btw). I stated factually that The Debut debuted at #1 on the: US Top Classical Albums (Billboard) US Top Classical Crossover Albums (Billboard) Caz you live in a boring world only liking so few ! I love a lot singers and never bad mouth anyone like you do ! You don’t even know Jackie and her music 🎶 and you attack her , shame on you ! Colt, my boy, I think you're being trolled. Caz is using Sims' pet name for whoever he dislikes at the moment to act like an OTT - only for Echosmith instead of Jackie. The moral of the story is don't believe everything you read on the internet.  That definition doesn't include a multi-bot attack/stacking the deck for manipulative purposes. Caz is also my description of a symptom of Jackie Derangement Syndrome it could manifest in nonsensical word salad or it could be just negative diarrhea. Ultimately theres no ability to wrap ones head around that a singer could have a career based on talent and good marketing with loyal fans who don't believe propaganda. The frustration lies in the inability to control the fans. Immediately the goal post moved was towards the size of venues. Thats not a serious argument. You argued a gaslighting nonsensical theory to colt in the past under a different guest account that I dislike or am threatened in an "obsessive" way by other artists or posters. Thats not a serious argument either. Because you think something is on topic does not mean that it is on topic. There is a sub thread for your favorite where posts should be moved there or posted there. I could move the posts. And if I thought someone was good at what they do, if it isn't about Jackie then its not relevant. Is Jackie singing on all the dates or just December? Echosmith just added the new dates in December, and those include Jackie. But it's not clear if Jackie is booked for those dates only or if the previous venues just haven't updated for Jackie. I called the Detroit venue for example, and they said they don't know. The Shelter in Detroit is the infamous spot where Eminem used to rap battle (featured in the movie 8 mile). It has a capacity of 400. If Echosmith is performing there and Jackie is opening FOR them at venues similar in size...without sounding negative - that really puts into perspective how much her career has fallen. Just 10 years ago she was performing at the Fox Theatre in Detroit just down the road... I could smell a Caz in the second post. |
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Post by donkey on Sept 27, 2024 17:06:57 GMT -5
Wow Donkey 🫏 your enthusiasm is amazing 🤩,no I am just being sarcastic! I am hoping Jackie gains a lot from this experience in the December concerts ! I like giving a positive vibe to this not being a party pooper ! I'm just trying to be realistic.  |
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Post by Grace Fan on Sept 27, 2024 18:04:45 GMT -5
Speaking of processing things, she said she doesn't have any friends, and I haven't heard her actually say that before. She will probably confront the reasons for that eventually, but she's too self-absorbed right now to reflect on that. Personally, I would find her rapidly spinning wheels, combined with her apparent need to be the center of attention, very tiresome. Being a non-celebrity friend to any celebrity of her age would be tiresome to most people. She's got a lot to deal with, and her songwriting seems to be the best medicine for that. She said she barely has any friends, and she has talked about her trouble making friends since the very beginning. She's mentioned it a few times over the past 8 years. One such time was after she wrapped on the filming of the first "Stargirl" movie when she was 14. www.facebook.com/GraceVanderWaalMusic/posts/thats-a-wrap-woah-i-genuinely-with-all-my-heart-have-no-idea-how-to-even-explain/2284882491795808/She has a big personality, which is one of her greatest assets, but it's presumptuous of you to assume that she has to be the "center of attention." You don't see her life when the cameras aren't rolling, which is typically when she IS supposed to be the center of attention. |
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Post by richard on Sept 27, 2024 23:43:15 GMT -5
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Post by Disappointed on Sept 28, 2024 1:54:25 GMT -5
I could smell a Caz in the second post. That's your Depends, Simsy. LOL! |
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 28, 2024 2:45:52 GMT -5
In several words you used a talking point pushed by Rickky that Jackie's Parents didn't hire management as well as a history that is not something you would know unless you lied about being around in the first two years of amazon. Ive repeated multiple times they hired Marc Johnston who then was let go at some point in the last five years (its not unusual for an artist to change management).
And I have explained to you multiple times when you brought it up that Marc Johnston was not her manager. That is not the services Marc Johnston Entertainment performs. His company is a booking agency. Most artists have multiple people on their team. There is a management company that assigns a manager to plan strategy, drum up opportunities for their clients, accompany them to important events, push the image they want, and so forth. They may have someone else at the company or subcontract for specific tasks that are very specialized such as booking agent or publicist. Most artists will have a booking agent who handles the mechanics of the artist's calendar. Usually what happens is that the manager may plan an overall tour for a specific time period and price and then hand it over to a booking agent to make the bookings for venues, hotels, transportation, etc., and set the tour up geographically to minimize costs. They will also do the same for any interviews that have been agreed upon and generally handle the nuts and bolts of the calendar. This is what Marc Johnston does or did and from all evidence he was good at it. While Johnston was on Team Jackie, he was not someone guiding her career and drumming up new opportunities. His skill was that he had a business that handled a very specific job that is highly time consuming.
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 28, 2024 2:54:11 GMT -5
You argued that she hasn't recorded a CC album since Two Hearts (Part 2 included btw). I stated factually that The Debut debuted at #1 on the: US Top Classical Albums (Billboard) US Top Classical Crossover Albums (Billboard)
The Debut was not a classical crossover album under any reasonable definition apart from them saying it was and Jackie being a CC singer up to that point. It was an album of contemporary Broadway show tunes that were sung in a manner that showed no elements of classical singing. She even specifically made the point of saying she had developed a "pop voice" for that album and had a vocal trainer help her with the transition. But the only reason that anyone would associate that album with CC is because Jackie was the vocalist. If this were an unknown singer and this was their first album, it would have been considered an album of a popular music form that had no connection with classical singing.
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Post by colt46 on Sept 28, 2024 7:59:46 GMT -5
Oh Disappointed you are posting again, I have not missed your anti-Jackie post! So I have not missed you not posting!
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Post by donkey on Sept 28, 2024 9:22:37 GMT -5
Oh Disappointed you are posting again, I have not missed your anti-Jackie post! So I have not missed you not posting! LoL...don't encourage her Colt! |
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Post by colt46 on Sept 28, 2024 10:15:52 GMT -5
I know Donkey 🫏, I get carried away sometimes when it comes to Disappointed !
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