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Post by donkey on Oct 6, 2024 20:52:55 GMT -5
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Post by msims on Oct 6, 2024 21:41:17 GMT -5
that any good parent would have seen coming if they weren't just interested on how much money they could get from her.You are projecting your lesbian's as well as the Mother's of your Potato heads onto Jackie's Parents. Sia said she kept her off a plane with Harvey Weinstein, time stamp 9:40 (and telling her Mother NO, Sia became a surrogate Mother): youtu.be/oB8V3NyAtGE?si=0I_HrpgceMkDaSHH&t=580 Mike Evancho stating in an interview in response to offers that: his job was to say NO. time stamp 25:00: jackie-evancho.dk/interview/2012-05.htmlThere is video evidence of everything ive said for years. The difference is im always right, not stupid and not easy to manipulate. |
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Post by richard on Oct 6, 2024 22:37:22 GMT -5
that any good parent would have seen coming if they weren't just interested on how much money they could get from her.You are projecting your lesbian's as well as the Mother's of your Potato heads onto Jackie's Parents. Sia said she kept her off a plane with Harvey Weinstein, time stamp 9:40 (and telling her Mother NO, Sia became a surrogate Mother): youtu.be/oB8V3NyAtGE?si=0I_HrpgceMkDaSHH&t=580 Mike Evancho stating in an interview in response to offers that: his job was to say NO. time stamp 25:00: jackie-evancho.dk/interview/2012-05.htmlThere is video evidence of everything ive said for years. The difference is im always right, not stupid and not easy to manipulate. Like I said Maddie never had anything to do with Harvey Weinstein. Maddie was always safe she had body guard protection 24/7
LOL that's right Jackie said Mike is her bodyguard.
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Post by V. J. Jay on Oct 6, 2024 23:10:20 GMT -5
Her parents could have done a lot more to help Jackie improve her social skills, it always seemed to me that they kept her in a cacoon colt simply doesn't understand that there are many singers who are introverted, very creative but just shy and couldn't care less about self promotion. When you have Parents that actually do their job unlike: Rickky's dancing potatohead whos Mother let her come into contact with Harvey Weinstein (Sia had to beg her Mother not to), or Bieber who's Parents did not protect him from staying with Diddy (doesn't seem to want to do music anymore and his manager quit), or Wednesday whos Mother let her use social media as a young child and an online Predator exposed himself to her, which is a crime. Jackie is not on stage exposing her vajayjay or simulating sexual acts like Rickky's lesbian and one of his current pop-erella or showing her Dirty Pillows like the other pop-erella he likes. Also look up Coppola and his connection with Victor Salva. Clearly: Jackie's Parents did their job (not managing her, its stupid and not a serious argument to think they managed her, Jackie always had management and an agent, sober up), did it well, and shes having a great year. They are just upset about it. Bad things happen to good people, sims, like when one of your JME fanatics wore a priest costume to lure Jackie onto his lap. It doesn't matter. What matters is those singers were entrusted with a degree of freedom, and managed to make their careers blossom. Jackie was wrapped in coddling blankets and kept on a leash while daddy said no to everything. Your problem is you try to defend Jackie by making excuses for her, when you know damn well that she would have jumped at the chance to swap out her boring organ-grinder monkey routine for a pop repertoire at a young age. She was a golden goose, a human cash machine, and I'm sure there's a book to be written about all that. And what's up with you and your new words "vajayjay" and "Dirty Pillows?" Interesting that you capitalize "Dirty Pillows." I'd love to see your browsing history, that would be hilarious, and possibly concerning. |
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Post by amg1977 on Oct 7, 2024 0:40:22 GMT -5
But Jackie is nowhere in the running no mater what Sims says.
Judging the current state of affairs for Jackie vs. Olivia Rodrigo or even Sabrina Carpenter is not a fair comparison and forgets the years that both Olivia and Sabrina spent trying to build a pop career before they finally found success.
For example, Olivia Rodrigo was been trying to make it as a pop singer from the time she was a pre-teen on a Disney Channel program with only lower tier success. She did all the right things with her social media, etc., but she was not anything like the overnight sensation many imagine it to be. it was only after she snared the lead role in the Disney+ series based on the High School Musical franchise that she had broke out as a singer and got her the contract for an album that made her a huge star. But that happened after years of toiling in relative anonymity to build up to that moment.
Sabrina Carpenter was only a moderately successful artist who had a five previous albums over the last decade but none were breakout hits. Then she met and became friends with Taylor Swift who took her on tour and the rest is history. Had the role in HSM not gone to Olivia and Sabrina never met Taylor would we even be talking about them now? Probably not or at best in a much more limited sense. You can work to carve out an audience but to have that level of success, you need some kind of luck.
The same applies to Billie Eilish who is an alt-pop singer who built up an audience over a period of years before catching lightning in a bottle by having the right sound and image at the right time. If she came a few years earlier or a few years later, she would have been a successful alt-pop act but not a star at the level she is today.
Then there is the matter of what it is Jackie actually wants to do. I have always insisted that, at this point in her life, Jackie should make whatever kind of music she wants to make. If she wants CC, that's fine. If she wants pop, that's fine too. Since she, at least so far, chose alt-pop as her genre, she is obviously not expecting to expand to a huge audience. However, she is starting from ground zero within that genre. Anyone who thought for a moment that she would just waltz into that market and be competing with Lana Del Ray were kidding themselves. Any who take that as the marker by which her entry into that genre is to be gauged is being unfair. Of course, some may just want her to fail ... others just want to declare this a failure and argue she should go back to what she was doing five years ago.
Judging by realistic expectations, she did just fine. She got some airplay, she recorded her own songs, and she will have a chance to open a few shows for another artist in her new genre. Now she has to build and make a concerted effort to connect with her songwriting. Even if the songs she writes are still in "downer" mode, they don't have to be slow dirges. You can write an angry song with some angry guitars to complement it or make the song about triumph over adversity to give it a more optimistic spin that allows for an upbeat tone. Even if you keep it more on the down side, you don't have to just be depressing ... you can also be compelling in a way that connects with others going through similar hardships. Most importantly, you need to get the music to underscore the most emotional parts of the song. If you're going to air out your dirty laundry, make sure everybody sees it.
If a few years go by and she's in the same place, then you can say it failed. But if she has grown as an artist and built up a sustainable audience, then admit maybe she knew something you didn't. I have criticized her in the past for not taking advantage of opportunities, but now that she is making the effort to rebuild her career, it would be hypocritical of me to suddenly move the goalposts.
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Post by msims on Oct 7, 2024 0:47:18 GMT -5
colt simply doesn't understand that there are many singers who are introverted, very creative but just shy and couldn't care less about self promotion. When you have Parents that actually do their job unlike: Rickky's dancing potatohead whos Mother let her come into contact with Harvey Weinstein (Sia had to beg her Mother not to), or Bieber who's Parents did not protect him from staying with Diddy (doesn't seem to want to do music anymore and his manager quit), or Wednesday whos Mother let her use social media as a young child and an online Predator exposed himself to her, which is a crime. Jackie is not on stage exposing her vajayjay or simulating sexual acts like Rickky's lesbian and one of his current pop-erella or showing her Dirty Pillows like the other pop-erella he likes. Also look up Coppola and his connection with Victor Salva. Clearly: Jackie's Parents did their job (not managing her, its stupid and not a serious argument to think they managed her, Jackie always had management and an agent, sober up), did it well, and shes having a great year. They are just upset about it. Bad things happen to good people, sims, like when one of your JME fanatics wore a priest costume to lure Jackie onto his lap. It doesn't matter. What matters is those singers were entrusted with a degree of freedom, and managed to make their careers blossom. Jackie was wrapped in coddling blankets and kept on a leash while daddy said no to everything. Your problem is you try to defend Jackie by making excuses for her, when you know damn well that she would have jumped at the chance to swap out her boring organ-grinder monkey routine for a pop repertoire at a young age. She was a golden goose, a human cash machine, and I'm sure there's a book to be written about all that. And what's up with you and your new words "vajayjay" and "Dirty Pillows?" Interesting that you capitalize "Dirty Pillows." I'd love to see your browsing history, that would be hilarious, and possibly concerning. You're the same illiterate word salad tossing stoner on bath salts who said to ignore the dictionary definition of "crossover". They were given freedom? In other words their parents committed neglect. You're encouraging comparisons/making excuses to those who have terrible Parenting and show their dirty pillows, vajajay and fannies, simulate sex acts on stage, as well as curse/cuss and give out condoms to little kids I forgot that whopper. This episode of yours has nothing to do with Jackie or her Parents or what Jackie wants and everything to do with you. And how could she possibly be making money at all for those who according to colt and every other Hater here: are too stupid, lazy, and broke? Again its nonsense and not even you believes that nonsense. And you contradict your own argument in the same post: if CC is the golden goose, if its not broke why fix it? Typical liberal. Next time sober up, bring a dictionary, and prove your word salad nonsense. |
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Post by Stone Tosser on Oct 7, 2024 1:11:07 GMT -5
You're the same illiterate word salad tossing stoner on bath salts who said to ignore the dictionary definition of "crossover" I am not. I am not the person you think I am. I am the person who knows you, but whom you do not know. You will never know who I am, but I will always know who you are. That bothers you. Try no to let it, because it will haunt you. I know you love your new phrase, "word salad," but as with all your other ephemeral phrases-of-the-week, you don't know how to use it. The more you misuse words and phrases, the more disconnected from reality you seem. Just speak English and stop trying to sound like someone you're not. |
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Post by richard on Oct 7, 2024 2:39:48 GMT -5
Sabrina Carpenter was only a moderately successful artist who had a five previous albums over the last decade but none were breakout hits. Then she met and became friends with Taylor Swift who took her on tour and the rest is history. It was her two hit songs Espresso” and “Please Please Please that got her singing career off to a start. I am sure Taylor Swift didn't hurt either. The first 5 albums Sabrina had really don't count because the highest she ever got was to #48 on the hot 100. Now Sabrina is the only woman to ever to have 3 songs in the top 10 for 5 consecutive weeks. www.hotpress.com/music/sabrina-carpenter-becomes-the-first-woman-in-billboard-hot-100-history-to-chart-three-songs-in-the-top-10-for-5-consecutive-weeks-23052708Sabrina Carpenter is now Eligible for Best New Artist at 2025 Grammys even though she had 5 previous albums. www.justjared.com/2024/06/26/heres-why-sabrina-carpenter-is-eligible-for-best-new-artist-at-2025-grammys-despite-having-five-previous-albums/Many People believe Sabrina's Taste Music video will win best music video. Like Olivia, Sabrina is now selling out arena's and she currently has 81.5 million monthly spotify listeners to Olivia's 48.2 million. Neither Sabrina or Olivia had near the opportunities that Jackie has had over the years. Jackie has been a professional singer for 14 years now and Sabrina and Olivia were Actors until about 3 years for Olivia and Sabrina really came into being a singer in 2024. Then there is Tate McRae that just sold out Madison Square Gardens that came out of nowhere and jumped from dancing to being a popular singer. The real advantage all the other artist had over Jackie is that their parents like V. J. Jay said above gave them their personal freedom to mode their career like they wanted. Same thing with Grace Vanderwaal you know darn well her parents never controlled her social media and yes she has had comments that greatly upset her but they just made her stronger to a point I think she sometimes says and does things that she knows will upset some people. But she probably gained 5 new fans for every one she lost because of her actions. I am still waiting for Jackie to grow up, her parents did her a huge disservice keeping her on a leash. |
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Post by ChrisR on Oct 7, 2024 9:09:00 GMT -5
Clearly: Jackie's Parents did their job (not managing her, its stupid and not a serious argument to think they managed her, Jackie always had management and an agent, sober up), did it well, and shes having a great year. They are just upset about it. Jackie is hanging in there but is she really having a great year overall!? That one is very much open to interpretation. In regard to her parents, they did play a significant role in managing her career. Only the most OTT JE fans would think otherwise. |
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Post by colt46 on Oct 7, 2024 10:11:27 GMT -5
Jackie’s parents had no experience in showbiz and were well over their heads in how to handle her career!
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Post by Caz #45 on Oct 7, 2024 14:47:29 GMT -5
Bad things happen to good people, sims, like when one of your JME fanatics wore a priest costume to lure Jackie onto his lap. It doesn't matter. What matters is those singers were entrusted with a degree of freedom, and managed to make their careers blossom. Jackie was wrapped in coddling blankets and kept on a leash while daddy said no to everything. Your problem is you try to defend Jackie by making excuses for her, when you know damn well that she would have jumped at the chance to swap out her boring organ-grinder monkey routine for a pop repertoire at a young age. She was a golden goose, a human cash machine, and I'm sure there's a book to be written about all that. And what's up with you and your new words "vajayjay" and "Dirty Pillows?" Interesting that you capitalize "Dirty Pillows." I'd love to see your browsing history, that would be hilarious, and possibly concerning. You're the same illiterate word salad tossing stoner on bath salts who said to ignore the dictionary definition of "crossover". They were given freedom? In other words their parents committed neglect. You're encouraging comparisons/making excuses to those who have terrible Parenting and show their dirty pillows, vajajay and fannies, simulate sex acts on stage, as well as curse/cuss and give out condoms to little kids I forgot that whopper. This episode of yours has nothing to do with Jackie or her Parents or what Jackie wants and everything to do with you. And how could she possibly be making money at all for those who according to colt and every other Hater here: are too stupid, lazy, and broke? Again its nonsense and not even you believes that nonsense. And you contradict your own argument in the same post: if CC is the golden goose, if its not broke why fix it? Typical liberal. Next time sober up, bring a dictionary, and prove your word salad nonsense. Contrary to your statement that you are similar to God in that you know all things and all truth, it was me, Caz, that you claim that I said ignore the word "crossover". There you go, making crap up again. Mr. Jay had nothing to do with that. My point was that YOU ignored the word "classical" in the definition of "Classical Crossover". You said that the meaning of crossover is the same as classical crossover". That's just not true. You keep modifying your "truth" so that you can avoid looking like the dumba$$ that you are. As I've told you many, many times, according to music dictionaries, every classical crossover song MUST contain an element of classical, whether it is vocal or instrumental. It's a no-brainer. Aren't you supposed to be the resource of all resources when it comes to CC and Jackie? If so, you are failing to the nth degree. Do you know how dumb you seem when you equate a discussion about music to whether someone is conservative or liberal? The concepts are apples and oranges, but in the mush of your brain, you have conflated the two ideas. |
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Post by Caz Maniac on Oct 7, 2024 17:36:50 GMT -5
You're the same illiterate word salad tossing stoner on bath salts who said to ignore the dictionary definition of "crossover" I am not. I am not the person you think I am. I am the person who knows you, but whom you do not know. You will never know who I am, but I will always know who you are. That bothers you. Try no to let it, because it will haunt you. I know you love your new phrase, "word salad," but as with all your other ephemeral phrases-of-the-week, you don't know how to use it. The more you misuse words and phrases, the more disconnected from reality you seem. Just speak English and stop trying to sound like someone you're not. Be careful who you are talking to - Sims is the only person here who says the truth while the rest of us plebians need to bend the knee to him. We should be grateful for the infinite pearls of wisdom that he graces our forum with. Sims, O Sims, what would do without your presence? |
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Post by msims on Oct 7, 2024 21:48:58 GMT -5
Contrary to your statement that you are similar to God hallucinating on bath saltsThe truth is something you refuse to deal with because your job is to enable Rickky and dumb down the truth with liberal word salad and drama queen antics.It is exactly what she wrote: We can't use the dictionary definition of "crossover" Again READ the definition of crossover.  |
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Post by donkey on Oct 7, 2024 22:10:16 GMT -5
Clearly: Jackie's Parents did their job (not managing her, its stupid and not a serious argument to think they managed her, Jackie always had management and an agent, sober up), did it well, and shes having a great year. They are just upset about it. Jackie is hanging in there but is she really having a great year overall!? That one is very much open to interpretation. In regard to her parents, they did play a significant role in managing her career. Only the most OTT JE fans would think otherwise. Hanging in there is a very generous interpretation of where Jackie's career is today. VERY generous. If her career was a patient, it's been on life support for several years now and it's almost inhumane at this point not to pull the plug. And I take no joy at all in saying that. |
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Post by richard on Oct 7, 2024 22:39:19 GMT -5
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