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Post by donkey on Oct 7, 2024 22:42:35 GMT -5
I figured she was redoing it. Looks the same to me. Only difference I see is she posted her first Dec date with the group she's opening for in AZ. |
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Post by msims on Oct 7, 2024 22:46:55 GMT -5
Clearly: Jackie's Parents did their job (not managing her, its stupid and not a serious argument to think they managed her, Jackie always had management and an agent, sober up), did it well, and shes having a great year. They are just upset about it. Jackie is hanging in there but is she really having a great year overall!? That one is very much open to interpretation. In regard to her parents, they did play a significant role in managing her career. Only the most OTT JE fans would think otherwise. Mike must be the Sully Sullenberger of manager's as Mike had no manager experience in 2010 he somehow negotiated her contract with Sony twice and MP, got David Foster from Warner Bros Rec to produce a Sony album and a dvd. Book numerous mainstream tv gigs including multiple pbs specials and dwts. Perform for multiple Presidents and sell millions of units. Perform over 200 gigs and gigs with Bocelli, Bennett. And how would Mike even know of Echosmith? Never heard of them. As far as being OTT, its laughable to think im OTT because your argument is garbage and its full of holes like swiss cheese. Marc Johnston managed her and then Mike took over in recent years, until they got new management. Hanging in there is a very generous interpretation of where Jackie's career is today. VERY generous. If her career was a patient, it's been on life support for several years now and it's almost inhumane at this point not to pull the plug. And I take no joy at all in saying that. Thats why you aren't Mike Evancho, manager of the year. |
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Post by richard on Oct 7, 2024 22:54:35 GMT -5
Jackie is hanging in there but is she really having a great year overall!? That one is very much open to interpretation. In regard to her parents, they did play a significant role in managing her career. Only the most OTT JE fans would think otherwise. Hanging in there is a very generous interpretation of where Jackie's career is today. VERY generous. If her career was a patient, it's been on life support for several years now and it's almost inhumane at this point not to pull the plug. And I take no joy at all in saying that. It is really sad what happened to her. I just looked at her site and thought that it being down for so long it would be something new and show what directions she is heading for. But no her site is the same mess it was before it went down. Not updated on events, it only show three events, two of which has long past and only one event with Echosmith.
When you click on the Echosmith Event.
General Admission is just $30 dollars, Jackie is only mentioned once as a special guest and is not part of their VIP package.
The Valley Bar only has a 250 person capacity.
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Post by BOGC on Oct 7, 2024 23:47:06 GMT -5
The site clearly did not go down for a redo, it went down almost certainly because the payment info for the web site (NOT the domain) expired. Eventually they read their messages or emails telling them that, and restored what it had, and put in one or two new scheduled events while they were at it.
The rest of the events she's performing at really ought to be added.
But historically a full redo ONLY happens with a new album.
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Post by Cazinator on Oct 8, 2024 9:10:21 GMT -5
Jackie is hanging in there but is she really having a great year overall!? That one is very much open to interpretation. In regard to her parents, they did play a significant role in managing her career. Only the most OTT JE fans would think otherwise. Mike must be the Sully Sullenberger of manager's as Mike had no manager experience in 2010 he somehow negotiated her contract with Sony twice and MP, got David Foster from Warner Bros Rec to produce a Sony album and a dvd. Book numerous mainstream tv gigs including multiple pbs specials and dwts. Perform for multiple Presidents and sell millions of units. Perform over 200 gigs and gigs with Bocelli, Bennett. And how would Mike even know of Echosmith? Never heard of them. As far as being OTT, its laughable to think im OTT because your argument is garbage and its full of holes like swiss cheese. Marc Johnston managed her and then Mike took over in recent years, until they got new management. Hanging in there is a very generous interpretation of where Jackie's career is today. VERY generous. If her career was a patient, it's been on life support for several years now and it's almost inhumane at this point not to pull the plug. And I take no joy at all in saying that. Sims has learned to troll |
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Post by amg1977 on Oct 8, 2024 21:40:14 GMT -5
Notion Magazine posted a behind-the-scenes look at the cover feature they recently did on Grace Vanderwaal:
Meanwhile, on TikTok, Grace posted a video of her doing her model walk for some presumed but as of yet undisclosed photo shoot later reposted on her Youtube:
In the two weeks since "What's Left of Me" was released, it has over 800k streams on Spotify alone (probably between 1.5 and 2.5 million audio streams total) while the official video has over 600k streams on YouTube.
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Post by amg1977 on Oct 9, 2024 0:25:50 GMT -5
Since we are in the midst of a relaunch/rebrand for Jackie as well as a relaunch of sorts (from four years of relative inactivity) for Grace, I think it might be interesting to take a look at how the rebrand that has received more publicity than any other since Miley Cyrus has gone. Namely, the rebrand of Jojo Siwa. I gave some opinions on the whole Jojo rebrand after the release of her single "Karma" and its accompanying video questioning the strategy employed and doubting it would succeed. At that point, I wasn't sure what was going on as I thought that Jojo had a great manager (Caryn Sterling) and the buildup to her eventual rebrand was handled professionally. When Jojo decided to come out as gay, the whole thing was handled expertly as she didn't (at that point) attempt to be obnoxious about it. She just said she was gay and then began dressing more appropriately for someone aged late teens to early 20s and removed the bow and childlike ponytail. She did Dancing with the Stars, and even though she has a female partner on the show, she was quick to mention that this was the program's suggestion rather than hers. She kept the high energy while reigning in the screaming, did an interview with Rolling Stone that mentioned she wanted to do "real music," professed her admiration for Queen and Elton John, and did a stint as guest host on Ellen. While I was pretty sure her musical talent was non-existent, she was saying all the right things, reigning in her obnoxiousness, and behaving at least somewhat like an adult. At that point, I was willing to believe the whole Jojo thing was really just her shtick to get noticed as a child star and maybe there was a real human being under there somewhere. Then came the unveiling of her rebrand. That was a shock and the reason for my negative opinions going forward. Unfortunately, nothing has occurred since then to make me adjust that opinion and much has happened to reinforce it. I have to think this was Jojo going rogue. Caryn Sterling, the woman who had guided much of her career, had previously worked with the team that turned the Olsen Twins and Hilary Duff into brands and guided them into later careers, respectively, in fashion and acting in TV dramas. She appeared to be doing the same with Jojo but then everything went off the rails. So I did a little checking and I noticed Sterling's IG has not mentioned Jojo in over a year when she previously featured her regularly. Well, it turns out that Jojo fired her. Why you ask? I have no idea but I do have a guess. One has to do with the rebranding and the other has to do with her mother. Jojo's mother is the prototypical stage mom on steroids. She makes Lisa Evancho look meek and timid by comparison and like Lisa thought she knew a lot more than she actually did. She had no clue about planning and Sterling, who saw potential in Jojo, sought her out and pitched a plan. Well, for years everything was great as Jojo's mother was often seen side-by-side with Jojo and Sterling allowed her to bask in the glory since she was more about being off camera. But in the last few years, people connected the dots between Sterling and the Olsens and Duff and she did a few interviews and suddenly she was acknowledged as the genius behind the Jojo phenom and her mom was just a distraction so Sterling could do her magic. Needless to say, her mom was not that thrilled with these revelations and I am sure began bad mouthing her to her daughter. That became more of a problem when Sterling tried to get Jojo to be a grownup. Apparently the abrasive Jojo IS the real Jojo and the suddenly calmer person we had seem Jojo become was the act. Jojo fired her manager and her and her mom came up with their own plan. Jojo would design her own rebrand while her mom would manage a teenybopper pop group Jojo would create prior to going on to her new adult singing career. While I am sure they had people to take care of the legal and booking matters, Jojo and her mom were now in charge. By then, of course, Jojo was a huge star and anything she did was going to get press. Jojo going "bad girl" was an entertainment reporter's dream. Everyone saw it coming with Miley (the press already knew her wholesome image was a fraud) but this Jojo thing was a gift they couldn't pass up. She essentially did everything she always did but in black instead of rainbows. Her missteps are by now legendary and showed us exactly how tight of a grip Sterling must have had to keep this train wreck under control all those years. The whole thing has been a fiasco - her video certainly got a lot of views but it so did Rebecca Black's infamous "Friday" that had been the most ridiculed music video in history by far until Jojo's Karma challenged for the throne. After the curiosity seekers saw the first video and it got passed along as hilariously bad, it became pile-on Jojo time. The second video was also ridiculed but had over 80% fewer views. Apparently, even the fun of trashing Jojo wears thin. Them the EP came out but considering the promotion Columbia gave it, the attention it received, and the pre-existing audience, it had to be considered disappointing. Not that it bombed completely but the payoff for the amount of publicity and promotion was disappointing. if the promotion had not been so pervasive, it would have been considered successful commercially but there is no way Columbia made much if any money on this EP. Here we are only a few months after release and her monthly listeners for her new material are at about 640k (her older kids stuff is on a separate account).
There has been a perfect storm of incompetence since Jojo and mom have taken over their own destiny. They are being sued by the group they formed with accusations of threats and verbal and physical abuse. Jojo discussed "Karma" as though she had written it when it was actually a song Miley Cyrus had rejected a decade ago and someone else had also recorded (in a much better version) before being passed on to Jojo. She claimed she was the first child star in her generation to transition to an adult image (as though Olivia Rodrigo, Tate McRae, the Zeiglers, Billie Eilish, and Grace Vanderwaal among others didn't exist), she claimed she invented a new genre: gay pop (Hey Jojo, ever heard of the Village People?), and on and on with one fiasco after another. By the way, am I the only one who finds it hilarious that Jojo is 8-9 months older than Grace Vanderwaal?
More recently, Jojo (who apparently is of Polish ethnicity) wanted to sing Karma in Polish and someone may have sent her the lyric in what they said was Polish but wasn't. in any case, she sang it that way with comments galore that it was not Polish and one person claiming it was actually Simlish - the made-up language used in the game The Sims (no relation to Matt Sims  ). She might have just been trolled in this case. Even worse, she traveled to Poland and claimed one of her songs went viral there (it wasn't) and that she was in discussions with Eurovision to represent Poland next year (Eurovision said they have no idea what gave her that idea). Either she is a pathological liar or she is being trolled unmercifully by someone and, without real management, is just falling for it over and over. The whole thing is a hot topic on social media (YouTube in particular) but it is just sad at this point.
I think perhaps Jojo's expiration date has arrived. She has always been the hardest working person of any singer discussed here but also the least musically talented. I would suggest she call Caryn Sterling up and see if she wants to come back but I get the feeling her answer might be to pound sand.
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Post by JoJo a Ho on Oct 9, 2024 1:05:34 GMT -5
What a train wreck. My preference has always been for music that you hear, not what kind of show they put on. If you just listen to JoJo's voice she sounds like someone singing while they're mowing the lawn wearing headphones. At least Jackie can carry a tune. Grace has charisma. Billie has Finneas. Olivia Rodrigo is porkable. JoJo Siwa is a flushable piece of dumpage.
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Post by colt46 on Oct 9, 2024 7:04:15 GMT -5
You hit the nail on the head with your post, JoJo a Ho !
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Post by richard on Oct 9, 2024 13:14:53 GMT -5
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Post by donkey on Oct 9, 2024 13:44:49 GMT -5
Is that what that is? I couldn't really tell for sure. |
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Post by colt46 on Oct 9, 2024 13:51:58 GMT -5
Would be nice if Jackie would give more information on what’s going on, her few remaining fans would like to know!
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Post by 1 Guest on Oct 9, 2024 14:49:12 GMT -5
Is that what that is? I couldn't really tell for sure. She's probably going on a cruise. Maybe she's the entertainment! |
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Post by richard on Oct 9, 2024 17:42:35 GMT -5
Is that what that is? I couldn't really tell for sure. She's probably going on a cruise. Maybe she's the entertainment! Those are boats not ships they wouldn't be docking together either. But if she is going on someones private boat they probably are pretty rich to have that size boat. |
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Post by 1 Guest on Oct 9, 2024 17:56:29 GMT -5
Milton
I have 2 friends in Vero Beach, FL. The one family just had to leave in a kayak, the house is starting to flood, and the other one said the water is almost up to her garage door, she'll probably flood and already she won't be able to drive through the water. Luckily some homes in her development are up higher so she'll be able to go with them if she has to. They're on the EAST coast, it's not water from the sea, it's just rain, and it's barely started. It didn't even hit the coast yet. And there's tornados popping up everywhere.
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). She might have just been trolled in this case. Even worse, she traveled to Poland and claimed one of her songs went viral there (it wasn't) and that she was in discussions with Eurovision to represent Poland next year (Eurovision said they have no idea what gave her that idea). Either she is a pathological liar or she is being trolled unmercifully by someone and, without real management, is just falling for it over and over. The whole thing is a hot topic on social media (YouTube in particular) but it is just sad at this point.