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Post by 1 Guest on Apr 8, 2020 9:02:41 GMT -5
Those countries dealt with SARS, another disease from China, the US didn't, so they were familiar with what to do. They implemented travel bans and imposed very strict restrictions on the population. One of the main functions of the CDC to protect America from foreign diseases. CDC cannot perform this function unless they fully understand all foreign diseases (including SARS). Also WHO was quickly involved with Covid-19 in China and passed everything they knew to health organizations all over the world. So either CDC was incompetent or their superiors were incompetent. I suspect the latter, since I believe the US has some of the best epidemiologists in the world. Are you kidding me?
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 8, 2020 9:09:00 GMT -5
The US government thinks there's evidence. But for some reason, they have not chosen to make such evidence public. The same government that believes climate change is not happening.
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 8, 2020 9:15:04 GMT -5
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 8, 2020 10:50:24 GMT -5
Richard may be considered a pest by some but he continues to make insightful posts. His latest example was when he pointed out that Mike was in LA with Christina and that his marriage with Lisa seemed to be in trouble. He made that point long before Jackie's official announcement. He sure follows very closely for one he puts down some much ...maybe he wants to smell her . Another insightful post from Beachguy.
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Post by richard on Apr 8, 2020 11:13:58 GMT -5
New quarantine video by Jackie.
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Post by Beachguy on Apr 8, 2020 11:25:13 GMT -5
He sure follows very closely for one he puts down some much ...maybe he wants to smell her . Another insightful post from Beachguy. As if you know insightful ...haha love to read your life story .Have you ever made a thread of you with a 170,000 + views ? don't think so ...just little comments here an there .I bet you can smell Richard .
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Post by Beachguy on Apr 8, 2020 11:35:15 GMT -5
Wonderful insight by socalfan ...could ...should ...if ..perhaps ..like the dumb wars we were in and in like Pearl Harbor ....911...Iraq ...Korea ..Viet Nam etc etc .We are a dumb dumb Country .
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Post by BOGC on Apr 8, 2020 12:33:09 GMT -5
The US government thinks there's evidence. But for some reason, they have not chosen to make such evidence public. The same government that believes climate change is not happening. First, a clarification. In past years, some social media apps were even encouraged to stay in contact with family and friends; and TikTok was in that category. In the last half of 2019 (if not earlier), various concerns (presumably with evidence that I'm no longer privy to since retiring) emerged. TikTok is banned on _government_ owned DoD (and TSA?) phones. They can't necessarily ban it on private phones of employees, although they can advise caution or avoidance, and if it follows precedent, in some cases, might even be able to make compliance a condition of continued employment in a sensitive capacity; effectively, they can enforce it, if on a much smaller scale. What the President may or may not believe may affect policy, but only up to a point, since millions of employees don't march in lockstep, and some are subject experts that know more about a particular topic than ANY one person could know about all topics they must deal with. That's been true even without people sticking metaphorical knives in his back as in the recent level of polarization. And that affects a lot of things: how to do something, how fast to do it, etc. So to speak as if the government has a single belief is not realistic. As for info not revealed, one might suppose that that the balancing act between revealing and protecting sources and methods continues. I don't know specifics anymore, but having my own experience and knowledge in both defensive and offensive computer and network security, I find the warning plausible. And there are non-government security researchers that have warned about TikTok; some with details. As for me, I think climate does change; I think human activity has SOME impact on how and how much it changes; and I think anyone who claims they know accurately how serious that really is, is full of it. Attempts to use models to predict have failed more than not (that's not what models are good for; they can suggest areas of change that might be most effective, but they're poor at predictions; and they're easy to spin, since very few have the ability to verify them). And WITHOUT massive intervention, we'll adjust anyway. My next vehicle will be electric, not to save the planet, but because something with adequate range and performance that I can afford is now available, and I like other attributes (quiet, lower maintenance). Within ten years, most new ground vehicles will probably be electric; and by then, quite possibly there will be available biofuels for aircraft and non-nuclear ships that are truly carbon neutral (most present biofuels aren't, taking into account what it takes to make them). There was some intervention, but it's not even all the time - the tax breaks for electric vehicles are gone now, I think. (FWIW, security and tamper resistance of vehicles with lots of automation does worry me some, esp. given over-the-air updates that are otherwise cheap and convenient.) I think that short of a short-term severe emergency (like now), massive intervention is less necessary than its (invariably power-hungry) advocates suggest, and that private and largely voluntary solutions will come from ongoing development of the same spread of technology and science and capitalism that created them.
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Post by BOGC on Apr 8, 2020 12:50:58 GMT -5
China has certainly supplied the US with illegal drugs, but no more so than Mexico, Colombia, Central America, etc. But the root cause of the problem is the US demand for these drugs. Unsavory organizations in these countries simply responded to the US demand to make a buck, as all good businessmen would. But if Americans didn't get these drugs from China, they would simply get them from somewhere else. Death rates from Covid-19 are far lower in Korea (192), Hong Kong (4) and Singapore (6) than in the US (12,800+). Apparently China lied, but only to the US. Either that, or the US was in denial and hopelessly unprepared; it seems that optimism is not a good strategy. Tik tok could be the most popular app in the world today. And I suspect it will stay that way as long as its critics cannot come up with anything more substantial than suspicions and insinuations. Those countries dealt with SARS, another disease from China, the US didn't, so they were familiar with what to do. They implemented travel bans and imposed very strict restrictions on the population. Also, they have much smaller total populations than we do, and far less tradition of privacy and civil liberties. They could use cell phone location tracking and large scale case-by-case contact tracing to selectively isolate with far greater effectiveness; and public mask wearing (which for widely available masks doesn't protect the wearer but does reduce spreading by the wearer) is not unusual there, given some very polluted cities, other health issues, etc. We don't have the legal means nor (despite some real or imagined abuses) the resources to do follow-up on that scale. And anyone that waited until now to get a lesser mask is going to find them in short supply too. But the point is good that they've learned from previous experience with SARS; I hadn't even considered that, being a latecomer (as we all now are) to thinking about epidemiology. Anyone can second-guess well after the fact. Every action has undesirable consequences on lives as well as economics and mere politics. And with acute polarization, ANY action will be held by opponents to be failed or wrong. I can't imagine that any alternative 2016 election outcome would have had a significantly better result today, save in one respect: Trump is NOT a focused, dispassionate communicator...obviously.
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 8, 2020 13:44:09 GMT -5
Those countries dealt with SARS, another disease from China, the US didn't, so they were familiar with what to do. They implemented travel bans and imposed very strict restrictions on the population. But the point is good that they've learned from previous experience with SARS; I hadn't even considered that, being a latecomer (as we all now are) to thinking about epidemiology. That's a very important point. Asians learned from their experience with SARS. Unfortunately, Americans and Europeans also learned from their experience with SARS. They learned that diseases in far away countries were not a significant threat.
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Post by Beachguy on Apr 8, 2020 13:51:56 GMT -5
The US government thinks there's evidence. But for some reason, they have not chosen to make such evidence public. The same government that believes climate change is not happening. False !They believe it is real but not of some reasons stated by some ...the world knows climate changes ...duh !
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Post by Beachguy on Apr 8, 2020 13:53:53 GMT -5
Wonderful insight by socalfan ...could ...should ...if ..perhaps ..like the dumb wars we were in and in like Pearl Harbor ....911...Iraq ...Korea ..Viet Nam etc etc .We are a dumb dumb Country . Over 300+ guests today ...wonder why ?
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Post by 1 Guest on Apr 8, 2020 14:35:04 GMT -5
Jan. 14 - WHO cited chinese health officials who claimed there had been no human to human transmissions. March 11 - WHO declared C-19 a pandemic, after it was already in 110 countries. So no, they're not perfect. Sure, we could haven and should have been better prepared as far as PPE, ventilators, etc. 10 or 20 years ago. thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/491651-new-york-city-auctioned-off-extra-ventilators-due-to-cost-of-maintenanceNew York City auctioned off hundreds of city-owned ventilators at least five years ago under Democratic Mayor Bill de Blasio’s administration, according to an investigation by ProPublica. The city acquired the ventilators in 2006 under former Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s administration, when a new strain of the flu was circulating in Asia, according to a report from the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene obtained by the news outlet. The city began to acquire ventilators and "stockpile a supply of facemasks," which were later auctioned off because the machines broke down and the health department "couldn't afford to maintain them," according to ProPublica. Years later, the city has become the epicenter of the novel coronavirus in the U.S., with 72,324 confirmed cases and at least 5,489 deaths throughout the five boroughs, the mayor reported Tuesday. The 14-year-old report obtained by ProPublica shows the city was keenly aware of the consequences of a potential pandemic, almost predicting the exact scenario that played out this year, according to the investigative outlet. \
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Post by 1 Guest on Apr 8, 2020 14:39:36 GMT -5
BOCG said: They could use cell phone location tracking and large scale case-by-case contact tracing to selectively isolate with far greater effectiveness;
That's exactly what they're doing. Citizens are being tracked and aren't allowed out until they've been cleared.
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Post by Guest 5 on Apr 8, 2020 14:51:45 GMT -5
Jan. 14 - WHO cited chinese health officials who claimed there had been no human to human transmissions. March 11 - WHO declared C-19 a pandemic, after it was already in 110 countries. So no, they're not perfect. Sure, we could haven and should have been better prepared as far as PPE, ventilators, etc. 10 or 20 years ago. thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/491651-new-york-city-auctioned-off-extra-ventilators-due-to-cost-of-maintenanceNew York City auctioned off hundreds of city-owned ventilators at least five years ago under Democratic Mayor Bill de Blasio’s administration, according to an investigation by ProPublica. The city acquired the ventilators in 2006 under former Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s administration, when a new strain of the flu was circulating in Asia, according to a report from the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene obtained by the news outlet. The city began to acquire ventilators and "stockpile a supply of facemasks," which were later auctioned off because the machines broke down and the health department "couldn't afford to maintain them," according to ProPublica. Years later, the city has become the epicenter of the novel coronavirus in the U.S., with 72,324 confirmed cases and at least 5,489 deaths throughout the five boroughs, the mayor reported Tuesday. The 14-year-old report obtained by ProPublica shows the city was keenly aware of the consequences of a potential pandemic, almost predicting the exact scenario that played out this year, according to the investigative outlet. \ The WHO cannot be trusted. Bill Gates is the WHO's 2nd biggest donor and can force his policies onto the organization because of the amount of funding he provides: www.politico.eu/article/bill-gates-who-most-powerful-doctor/The WHO's Director General, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, has been accused of genocide by citizens of his own country. This is JUST the guy needed to be in charge of worldwide mandatory vaccines.
Bill Gates and Dr. Tedros are a match made in hell.
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