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Post by Pin the Tail on Mar 27, 2022 1:08:55 GMT -5
eulenspiegel showed some Getty images taken at Jackie's concert. Looks like Mike the new perfesional steamer melted Jackie's dress during a break. Probably thought it needed a little wrinkle taken out. then the last couple of pictures you can clearly tell the fabric was over heated. It may not have been the steamer but something damaged the dress. At the very least he should lose his job as the steamer as it look like he missed a huge one. All those photos that eulenspiegel posted were taken in a sequence. There was no significant break in time between the first photo and the last photo. What you have misidentified as "damage" to the dress is nothing more than the fabric responding to the movement of Jackie's hand as she brushed her hand against the dress. In the last photo, the fabric has not yet had time to fall back into place. I have no doubt that if a subsequent photo had been taken, the dress would display the same appearance as in the earlier photos. There was no damage to the fabric. |
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Post by Pin the Tail on Mar 27, 2022 1:24:49 GMT -5
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Post by msims on Mar 27, 2022 1:54:44 GMT -5
When Jackie needed professional management was after AGT. Still the old lying con game. Jackie had pro management after AGT with Marc Johnston which is not a fact any of the trolls have acknowledged. An article from her mini tour in early 2012: Many freelance musicians across the country have initially expressed skepticism when asked to perform with an 11-year-old, but become believers quickly. "As with anyone who works with Jackie, they are always blown away by her voice, musicality and her sheer passion for singing," said manager Marc Johnston. Jackie isn't just trotted out onstage, but involved in all elements of her "Come Dream With Me" tour. "Jackie speaks with her parents, manager and record company about song selection and set lists," Johnston said. "Jackie also gives input to stage design, lighting and clothes and outfits." West Valley City was included on the tour because of record sales, her manager believes. "The people of Utah have supported Jackie with CD sales so we wanted to let them experience Jackie live," he said. "Jackie is excited to be coming to Utah." No. It was Lisa's request during Jackies dwm tour that videos werent posted because she was just starting out and it was a question of whether Jackie could profit off those videos/Sony was withholding money most likely. However Jackie's demo/audience wasnt and rarely was/is the typical cell phone shooting audience to begin with, they were too mesmerized by her. But to say had there been many videos it could have expanded her audience is less likely. Rarely do these videos do her justice anyway and there would have had to have been a flood of videos on youtube and she never had a huge base on youtube which boggles my mind. Mike is easily a scapegoat for those who play loose with the facts of her career and its stupid if not childish to suggest any of those names could adapt Joni's material. Jackie is very much a versatile singer who can comfortably perform any kind of material and until you or anyone who has a history of trolling and lying has heard the album and bought a ticket and heard her sing it live, you don't get an opinion on the matter. |
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Post by eulenspiegel on Mar 27, 2022 5:00:18 GMT -5
When Jackie needed professional management was after AGT. Still the old lying con game. Jackie had pro management after AGT with Marc Johnston which is not a fact any of the trolls have acknowledged. An article from her mini tour in early 2012: Many freelance musicians across the country have initially expressed skepticism when asked to perform with an 11-year-old, but become believers quickly. "As with anyone who works with Jackie, they are always blown away by her voice, musicality and her sheer passion for singing," said manager Marc Johnston. Jackie isn't just trotted out onstage, but involved in all elements of her "Come Dream With Me" tour. "Jackie speaks with her parents, manager and record company about song selection and set lists," Johnston said. "Jackie also gives input to stage design, lighting and clothes and outfits." West Valley City was included on the tour because of record sales, her manager believes. "The people of Utah have supported Jackie with CD sales so we wanted to let them experience Jackie live," he said. "Jackie is excited to be coming to Utah." No. It was Lisa's request during Jackies dwm tour that videos werent posted because she was just starting out and it was a question of whether Jackie could profit off those videos/Sony was withholding money most likely. However Jackie's demo/audience wasnt and rarely was/is the typical cell phone shooting audience to begin with, they were too mesmerized by her. But to say had there been many videos it could have expanded her audience is less likely. Rarely do these videos do her justice anyway and there would have had to have been a flood of videos on youtube and she never had a huge base on youtube which boggles my mind. Mike is easily a scapegoat for those who play loose with the facts of her career and its stupid if not childish to suggest any of those names could adapt Joni's material. Jackie is very much a versatile singer who can comfortably perform any kind of material and until you or anyone who has a history of trolling and lying has heard the album and bought a ticket and heard her sing it live, you don't get an opinion on the matter. We had the same struggle with the lame fans by Emily Bear...not because she or her mother demanded not to be filmed. In the first years there - even before I ever heard of her...there was Don in the USA and two others when she played in Europe...as I later learned ..most of the times they informed her mother before uploading anything... Only in rare cases Emily asked not to upload... e.g. the movie music game of her concerts years ago...because all the fun would have been lost in coming concerts. Even today...I always inform her per twitter when uploading ..post a link. It was a struggle...as people like Len Rausch go to concerts...but not share anything...but it was not only Len Rausch...many people...when she played at Hollywood Bowl one year...some girls posted a few minutes earlier a few front row shots of stage.. I thought ...fantastic ...and asked them if they could record ..and post...their reply...if you sent us 50 bucks. When Emily played the NOTP tour ..multiple people recorded, uploaded... Now everything has changed to the positive...with the younger fans...it is much easier for me...when she and Abigail played in London...tons of photos, snippets... Emily and Abigail actively asked to post...followed and liked some accounts. |
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Post by ChrisR on Mar 27, 2022 8:24:40 GMT -5
Mike is easily a scapegoat for those who play loose with the facts of her career and its stupid if not childish to suggest any of those names could adapt Joni's material. Jackie is very much a versatile singer who can comfortably perform any kind of material and until you or anyone who has a history of trolling and lying has heard the album and bought a ticket and heard her sing it live, you don't get an opinion on the matter Sorry Sims, but you don't get to tell people in here who can or can't have an opinion. That is up to the moderator. For instance, my general opinion about you is that you tend to harp too much on Jackie's earlier days of her career which is rather irrelevant for what is going on now with her career. When it also comes to trolling, IMHO, no one does it better then you do it. |
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Post by johnnyb on Mar 27, 2022 8:50:42 GMT -5
Sims says:: "Jackie speaks with her parents, manager and record company about song selection and set lists," Johnston said. "Jackie also gives input to stage design, lighting and clothes and outfits.”
Sorry Charlie, it’s been a well stated fact straight from Jackie herself that no one took her opinions about anything seriously until she turned 18 years old. Most of her ideas were dismissed by the record labels and Team Evancho management, if you can call what she had as management.
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Post by BOGC on Mar 27, 2022 9:53:49 GMT -5
If his priority is Jackie herself rather than her career, that's exactly what one could have expected him to (not) do. You can argue that the two should always be separate roles so they don't conflict. I don't agree. Without a functional person, their career isn't worth spit, give or take folks like Van Gogh, which may inspire interesting songs but are NOT desirable to emulate. He's no superstar manager, but he does even the blah jobs, so it's not like he's always goofing off. This is a false dichotomy. There is no reason he could not be doing all the "blah" jobs AND there be a professional manager. The problem is that a professional would have little to go on at the moment. When Jackie needed professional management was after AGT. That doesn't mean her parents just vanish but that they let the pros come up with a strategy and they help implement it. The parents of Billie Eilish, Grace Vanderwaal, and others discussed here were very much involved with their daughters' day-to-day careers and accompanied them on tour, when doing films, etc., but they knew they were not qualified to be entertainment managers. The real problem is that professional managers get a cut and Jackie's parents didn't want the money going out of their hands. Like most people in over their head in business, they see it as a zero sum game where you fight for pieces of the pie. They don't get that pros know how to make the pie bigger so even a smaller cut ends up with much more pie. It is the same thing with the concert videos. They don't get that it expands the audience. I wasn't saying that Mike can do everything, just that the shots at him for being a parasite are unjustified. They do have MJ still in the background somewhere, although AFAIK he hasn't traveled with Jackie in years. So I suppose Mike does whatever paperwork has to be done at the venue too, and doubtless a fair bit of other paperwork as well, and pretty much all the logistics (travel, hotels, etc). What Mike doesn't* do (or at least doesn't do effectively) is prompt Jackie to participate in developing and following a plan for visibility; nobody seems to do that, except when a new album is coming out, or occasionally pre or post some special event. We don't know who arranges bookings or keeps their eye open/puts Jackie's name out for special events or picks a new music director when needed. One might suspect that MJ has lots of connections that Mike doesn't, so has some involvement in those matters. (in Hollywood although not necessarily other sectors of entertainment, there's a clear separation between agent and manager; each has specific duties that the other is NOT ALLOWED to do, although presumably the two have to communicate with one another) * given previous remarks by Lisa, it may well be that they have tried to involve Jackie in such matters, with limited success, and perhaps given that she might be both stubborn (remember "bossy and sassy" in the Longwood video preview, and remarks about the temptation to act like a diva? that might even be a bit understated sometimes) and fragile don't want to push her; so "doesn't" shouldn't be taken as an absolute by any means, and it's not like he doesn't take or arrange photos (not like MJ would be needed to arrange for Christina to take photos, which has certainly happened; and Mike does take occasional side-of-stage photos and short videos, even if they're not great) |
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Post by Disappointed on Mar 27, 2022 20:15:41 GMT -5
Well, finally the perpetually cancelled Florida concerts are done and gone and in the books, much to the glee and happiness of the promoters, I am sure. Not likely those promoters will venture into that quicksand of booking Jackie ever again.
So now just the Jersey pier event that she has done a couple of times in the past. Likely this year booking her was more of a favor than anything else, a familiar act and at a low pay rate, to be certain, in comparison to other acts. Sort of their sympathy charity payout based on her sob stories of the recent past.
Are other venues chomping at the bit to book her when she comes out with her "Jackie Evancho Phones In Joni Mitchell Songs" album? That is the real question. I think not, but who is to say how many trillions of dollars Biden will pull out of his ass for the upcoming budget, knowing nothing ever has to be paid back and that interest rates aren't ever going up more than a quarter point a time, even if inflation hits 20 percent? Maybe some of those trillions going to the non profit venues that Mike continuously trolls for in his Rolodex. If so, she will get a few more gigs. If not, sayonara.
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Post by donkey on Mar 27, 2022 20:29:53 GMT -5
Well, finally the perpetually cancelled Florida concerts are done and gone and in the books, much to the glee and happiness of the promoters, I am sure. Not likely those promoters will venture into that quicksand of booking Jackie ever again. So now just the Jersey pier event that she has done a couple of times in the past. Likely this year booking her was more of a favor than anything else, a familiar act and at a low pay rate, to be certain, in comparison to other acts. Sort of their sympathy charity payout based on her sob stories of the recent past. Are other venues chomping at the bit to book her when she comes out with her "Jackie Evancho Phones In Joni Mitchell Songs" album? That is the real question. I think not, but who is to say how many trillions of dollars Biden will pull out of his ass for the upcoming budget, knowing nothing ever has to be paid back and that interest rates aren't ever going up more than a quarter point a time, even if inflation hits 20 percent? Maybe some of those trillions going to the non profit venues that Mike continuously trolls for in his Rolodex. If so, she will get a few more gigs. If not, sayonara. Oh, Jackie will continue to do her annual FL concerts for the foreseeable future I'm sure. As for Biden...what a disaster. |
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Post by johnnyb on Mar 27, 2022 20:49:00 GMT -5
Well, finally the perpetually cancelled Florida concerts are done and gone and in the books, much to the glee and happiness of the promoters, I am sure. Not likely those promoters will venture into that quicksand of booking Jackie ever again. So now just the Jersey pier event that she has done a couple of times in the past. Likely this year booking her was more of a favor than anything else, a familiar act and at a low pay rate, to be certain, in comparison to other acts. Sort of their sympathy charity payout based on her sob stories of the recent past. Are other venues chomping at the bit to book her when she comes out with her "Jackie Evancho Phones In Joni Mitchell Songs" album? That is the real question. I think not, but who is to say how many trillions of dollars Biden will pull out of his ass for the upcoming budget, knowing nothing ever has to be paid back and that interest rates aren't ever going up more than a quarter point a time, even if inflation hits 20 percent? Maybe some of those trillions going to the non profit venues that Mike continuously trolls for in his Rolodex. If so, she will get a few more gigs. If not, sayonara. Oh, Jackie will continue to do her annual FL concerts for the foreseeable future I'm sure. As for Biden...what a disaster. Unfortunately Donk, the two next in line are even worse, and Biden should go back and sit in his basement and stop embarrassing himself and the country. |
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Post by Colt46 on Mar 27, 2022 20:57:50 GMT -5
Disappointed, you never fail to disappoint!
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Post by johnnyb on Mar 27, 2022 20:58:26 GMT -5
Well, finally the perpetually cancelled Florida concerts are done and gone and in the books, much to the glee and happiness of the promoters, I am sure. Not likely those promoters will venture into that quicksand of booking Jackie ever again. So now just the Jersey pier event that she has done a couple of times in the past. Likely this year booking her was more of a favor than anything else, a familiar act and at a low pay rate, to be certain, in comparison to other acts. Sort of their sympathy charity payout based on her sob stories of the recent past. Are other venues chomping at the bit to book her when she comes out with her "Jackie Evancho Phones In Joni Mitchell Songs" album? That is the real question. I think not, but who is to say how many trillions of dollars Biden will pull out of his ass for the upcoming budget, knowing nothing ever has to be paid back and that interest rates aren't ever going up more than a quarter point a time, even if inflation hits 20 percent? Maybe some of those trillions going to the non profit venues that Mike continuously trolls for in his Rolodex. If so, she will get a few more gigs. If not, sayonara. Glad to see you’re still trolling yourself around here Yasmine, but I’m a little worried myself about that cover album. I’d like to know what possessed her to think it was a good idea. |
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Post by Colt46 on Mar 27, 2022 21:01:22 GMT -5
Disappointed all you know how to do is attack Jackie ! You have nothing else in your playbook and Jackie does not know you exist !
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Post by Colt46 on Mar 27, 2022 21:05:25 GMT -5
Johnnyb you are just as bad as Disappointed but at least he does not pretend to be a fan of Jackie’s , you on the other hand are a fraudulent fan of Jackie’s! All you do is attack her!
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Post by Disappointed on Mar 27, 2022 21:40:39 GMT -5
Disappointed, you never fail to disappoint! Why thanks, Colty, for the lovely compliment!  |
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