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Post by msims on Apr 18, 2022 0:43:18 GMT -5
You came onto a forum about a successful artist to spam under one of your aliases. When comparisons are made which is what you wanted, you get upset and accuse me of being insecure. Go and listen to an actual artist/musician or find one of those fansites. |
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Post by Grace Fan on Apr 18, 2022 0:48:47 GMT -5
Or you would utilize fan groups for said Brat, however I think because of your age they wouldnt accept you and they shouldn't. Your Brat only wants fans her age. That being said, just like the Brat you should also educate yourself on quality music. No Adult should be listening to that. lol you have no idea what my age is and I am involved in a few other fan groups. There are people here that enjoy Grace's artistry as well, so I felt like joining in. Since you're clearly secretly a diehard Grace VanderWaal fan since you can't seem to get her out of your head, please enjoy 🤗 |
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Post by ChrisR on Apr 18, 2022 12:42:13 GMT -5
You are still engaging in Rickky's exact behavior which is a red flag and again copying Rickky's exact autistic argument, another red flag. Red Flag day on troll island. I really do live deep inside your head! You are still 100% wrong about me, but I will never convince you otherwise. |
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Post by ChrisR on Apr 18, 2022 12:53:14 GMT -5
You came onto a forum about a successful artist... Jackie hopefully is working towards regaining her past success from several years ago. It appears that she is at least trying to accomplish that. |
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Post by eulenspiegel on Apr 18, 2022 13:55:31 GMT -5
no one is mentioning that the covers her very likely anorexic body with the coat... |
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Post by amg1977 on Apr 18, 2022 16:54:09 GMT -5
Sims has by this point just become a running gag. He displays "evidence", is proven wrong, changes the subject to something else for a post or two, and then goes back to some earlier claim as though he hadn't already been exposed.
Responding to Chris R, Sims states:
This is gaslighting also belittling Jackie who hasnt recieved a Grammy, which is one of the troll talking points. Ive pointed out that Jackie was considered among Grammy experts for the Best New Artist Grammy in 2011, but that they wouldnt award Grammy's to anyone who was around 11, not even Justin Bieber. There was never a CC Vocalist Grammy, it was only instrumental.
Per usual, Sims makes claims and doesn't bother doing the research to gather whether the evidence backs him up. On the matter of the classical crossover category, even a cursory glance proves Sims is wrong. The cateogry was for all artists - vocal or instrumental. While it turned out that instrumentalists usually won for the time it was awarded, vocalists were eligible to be nominated, were nominated and won a few times. Bryn Terfel and the London Voices won in 2007 and the Kings Singers won in 2009. What happened frequently is that one of the nominees was a classical artist with crossover appeal who had penetrated the mainstream. Since most of the voters were likely not familiar with the nominees, a familiar name would get the vote. For example, any crossover album with Yo-Yo Ma generally got the nod because ... Yo-Yo Ma.
The Grammy eligibility year is October 1- September 30. Thus, Jackie would have been eligible for the Grammy Awards broadcast February 2012. The nominees were pretty bad that year (Bon Iver, The Band Perry, J. Cole, Nicki Minaj, Skrillex) and I certainly would have taken Jackie over any of them. Nicki Minaj is the only one of the group that has had ongoing commercial success but let's be kind and just say she's not my cup of tea. There certainly could have been a bias against awarding a nomination to someone that young but also perhaps an industry bias against winners of network TV talent shows such as AGT, American Idol, etc.
He then responds to me:
Your post as donkey was deleted by you as Socalfan off the site, not moved to an off topic forum. Btw nobody defends someone else like that. Bizarre Red flag. Btw you don't even respect your own policy as you refuse to spam your own sub forum.
Sorry Sims, but I wasn't defending anybody ... just pointing out how ridiculous you are. You make it too easy. Once you said Donkey had a recent post deleted, it was pretty obvious that Socal Fan had moved any such post (along with some others) to the Off Topic category. So I did your work for you and looked. And sure enough, there was a post by Donkey as well as my response.
Of course, the "evidence" Sims has concocted in his head makes no sense at all. Sims states a Donkey post was deleted and therefore an admin must have done it. Say what? Donkey is a registered user on this site and can delete any of his own posts. So the evidence is nothing at all - even if a post had been deleted.
Then Sims turns to Grace Fan to whom he replies:
You brought this Brat up here to belittle Jackie. Shes a Brat because she lashed out at her fans/threatened to quit and you claimed she said that she wasnt familar with Stevie's songs. She had time to meet Stevie and kids have phones with them at all times so thats very unprofessional and immature. It also indicates that she has no Parents around to educate her/stop her, which disproves your theory that Parents shouldnt be involved in a young persons career. As far as doing "well" I entertained a comparison in comparing her albums sales to Jackie and theres no comparison. The entire point of trolling is to belittle Jackie, using me or the brat, etc. Its a game.
Someone who isnt a Troll would have created a proboards for their favorite artist and discussed them there, rather than spamming a forum about a Vocalist.
First of all, the only people who post on this forum who have been anti-Jackie are Disappointed and eulenspiegel. At worst, Richard is indifferent. Some people love Jackie's talent but not Jackie. I have belittled Jackie's parents but never Jackie or Jackie's talent. My attitude for Jackie herself is she has been hampered by her upbringing but needs to take control of her life and career.
As for comparing careers (here I am assuming Jackie and Grace since they are the ones you compared), for what time period? If you are saying Jackie at the start of her career was bigger than Grace has been thus far, I agree, but that period ended some years ago. The fact that you are discussing album sales in 2022 only demonstrates just how far out of touch you are with reality. Of course, you won't talk about how much Grace has streamed on Spotify, YouTube, Amazon, Apple, etc., against Jackie's totals. And please don't give me the bs about CC not being a streaming genre as other CC artists (who are successful) are doing well streaming. it is the way the industry works now. As far as maturity goes, I would have to Grace the nod there. She lives on her own, makes her own decisions, and doesn't need her hand held as though she were, well ... a ten year old. She acts like someone her age - not someone twenty years older or ten years younger.
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Post by donkey on Apr 18, 2022 17:03:52 GMT -5
Sims has by this point just become a running gag. He displays "evidence", is proven wrong, changes the subject to something else for a post or two, and then goes back to some earlier claim as though he hadn't already been exposed.
Responding to Chris R, Sims states:
This is gaslighting also belittling Jackie who hasnt recieved a Grammy, which is one of the troll talking points. Ive pointed out that Jackie was considered among Grammy experts for the Best New Artist Grammy in 2011, but that they wouldnt award Grammy's to anyone who was around 11, not even Justin Bieber. There was never a CC Vocalist Grammy, it was only instrumental.
Per usual, Sims makes claims and doesn't bother doing the research to gather whether the evidence backs him up. On the matter of the classical crossover category, even a cursory glance proves Sims is wrong. The cateogrt was for all artists - vocal or instrumental. While it turned out that instrumentalists usually won for the time it was awarded, vocalists were eligible to be nominated, were nominated and won a few times. Bryn Terfel and the London Voices won in 2007 and the Kings Singers won in 2009. What happened frequently is that one of the nominees was a classical artist with crossover appeal who had penetrated the mainstream. Since most of the voters were likely not familiar with the nominees, a familiar name would get the vote. For example, any crossover album with Yo-Yo Ma generally got the nod because ... Yo-Yo Ma.
The Grammy eligibility year is October 1- September 30. Thus, Jackie would have been eligible for the Grammy Awards broadcast February 2012. The nominees were pretty bad that year (Bon Iver, The Band Perry, J. Cole, Nicki Minaj, Skrillex) and I certainly would have taken Jackie over any of them. Nicki Minaj is the only one of the group that has had ongoing commercial success but let's be kind and just say she's not my cup of tea. There certainly could have been a bias against awarding a nomination to someone that young but also perhaps an industry bias against winners of network TV talent shows such as AGT, American Idol, etc.
He then responds to me:
Your post as donkey was deleted by you as Socalfan off the site, not moved to an off topic forum. Btw nobody defends someone else like that. Bizarre Red flag. Btw you don't even respect your own policy as you refuse to spam your own sub forum.
Sorry Sims, but I wasn't defending anybody ... just pointing out how ridiculous you are. You make it too easy. Once you said Donkey had a recent post deleted, it was pretty obvious that Socal Fan had moved any such post (along with some others) to the Off Topic category. So I did your work for you and looked. And sure enough, there was a post by Donkey as well as my response.
Of course, the "evidence" Sims has concocted in his head makes no sense at all. Sims states a Donkey post was deleted and therefore an admin must have done it. Say what? Donkey is a registered user on this site and can delete any of his own posts. So the evidence is nothing at all - even if a post had been deleted.
Then Sims turns to Grace Fan to whom he replies:
You brought this Brat up here to belittle Jackie. Shes a Brat because she lashed out at her fans/threatened to quit and you claimed she said that she wasnt familar with Stevie's songs. She had time to meet Stevie and kids have phones with them at all times so thats very unprofessional and immature. It also indicates that she has no Parents around to educate her/stop her, which disproves your theory that Parents shouldnt be involved in a young persons career. As far as doing "well" I entertained a comparison in comparing her albums sales to Jackie and theres no comparison. The entire point of trolling is to belittle Jackie, using me or the brat, etc. Its a game.
Someone who isnt a Troll would have created a proboards for their favorite artist and discussed them there, rather than spamming a forum about a Vocalist.
First of all, the only people who post on this forum who have been anti-Jackie are Disappointed and eulenspiegel. At worst, Richard is indifferent. Some people love Jackie's talent but not Jackie. I have belittled Jackie's parents but never Jackie or Jackie's talent. My attitude for Jackie herself is she has been hampered by her upbringing but needs to take control of her life and career.
As for comparing careers (here I am assuming Jackie and Grace since they are the ones you compared), for what time period? If you are saying Jackie at the start of her career was bigger than Grace has been thus far, I agree, but that period ended some years ago. The fact that you are discussing album sales in 2022 only demonstrates just how far out of touch you are with reality. Of course, you won't talk about how much Grace has streamed on Spotify, YouTube, Amazon, Apple, etc., against Jackie's totals. And please don't give me the bs about CC not being a streaming genre as other CC artists (who are successful) are doing well streaming. it is the way the industry works now. As far as maturity goes, I would have to Grace the nod there. She lives on her own, makes her own decisions, and doesn't need her hand held as though she were, well ... a ten year old. She acts like someone her age - not someone twenty years older or ten years younger.
Trying to get Sims to get any of this is like banging your head against the wall. There's no point. lol You could have clear cut evidence on every point you are making and he would still disagree with you. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 18, 2022 17:41:57 GMT -5
no one is mentioning that the covers her very likely anorexic body with the coat... I'm not a medical doctor (I suspect you aren't either), and if we were, it'd be irresponsible at best to diagnose from photos not taken specifically for that purpose, or without other information (history of weight and measurements and body fat percentage, for instance); but my impression is that while she may still be excessively thin, that might be a less the case than it was at the re-emergence from silence. So maybe she was just feeling the cold. Or maybe she wasn't all fancied up for a photo, and that was a quick solution. |
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Post by donkey on Apr 18, 2022 17:47:20 GMT -5
no one is mentioning that the covers her very likely anorexic body with the coat... I'm not a medical doctor (I suspect you aren't either), and if we were, it'd be irresponsible at best to diagnose from photos not taken specifically for that purpose, or without other information (history of weight and measurements and body fat percentage, for instance); but my impression is that while she may still be excessively thin, that might be a less the case than it was at the re-emergence from silence. So maybe she was just feeling the cold. Or maybe she wasn't all fancied up for a photo, and that was a quick solution. She has no problem showing her body in photos on Instagram or on the concert stage. So I doubt she's trying to cover her body in this photo, except mabye to stay warm. Its been on the chilly side in Pittsburgh, and both dad and brother have on jackets as well. |
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Post by richard on Apr 18, 2022 17:48:05 GMT -5
First of all, the only people who post on this forum who have been anti-Jackie are Disappointed and eulenspiegel. At worst, Richard is indifferent. Some people love Jackie's talent but not Jackie. I have belittled Jackie's parents but never Jackie or Jackie's talent. My attitude for Jackie herself is she has been hampered by her upbringing but needs to take control of her life and career. The fault I have with Jackie is that she has a tremendous amount of talent and is where she is now because of poor management and little desire to take control of her life like she stated she was going to do. It takes more than just a very good voice, youtube is full of people with very good voices. |
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Post by 1 Guest on Apr 18, 2022 17:55:24 GMT -5
no one is mentioning that the covers her very likely anorexic body with the coat...Sorry to disappoint you but that's very unlikely since she just performed in revealing gowns a few weeks ago during her concerts. Plus it was probably in the low 40's yesterday afternoon in Pittsburg, today the high there was 44 and right now it's 39 degrees. I wore a warm coat on Easter as did everyone I know because it was COLD. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 18, 2022 18:05:00 GMT -5
And please don't give me the bs about CC not being a streaming genre as other CC artists (who are successful) are doing well streaming. It is probably an older audience, for which some of them (us) are as tech-savvy as any youngster, with a heck of a lot more experience or training or both; but some aren't - can't set the clock on their microwave (a couple of decades ago, on their VCR). For the tech-challenged as well as for those so far in the boonies that neither broadband nor cellular are fast and reliable (Starlink may change that!), AND those who might want to give CDs to friends or relatives or who just like long-term physical backups, the album on physical media IS NOT DEAD. And even if it were, the album as a bundle of songs released together and SOMETIMES parts of a whole work (Moody Blues Days of Future Passed or Kansas Leftoverture or Neil Diamond Jonathan Livingston Seagull are non-classical examples that come immediately to mind) meant to be heard as such, will probably never entirely go away, because there will always be those that want to try their hand at creating a larger work like that, and also people who at least sometimes want to hear such works in one sitting, in the intended order, even if they may also listen individually to favorite tracks. And people bing-watch recordings of their favorite shows, so count on it that they may sometimes want to binge listen to their favorite artists, whether or not hearing the integrity of a whole work is part of their motivation. I've been known to listen to one or more of Jackie's CDs (mostly the more recent, for context) while driving to one of her concerts, both to recalibrate my ears and to stay of good cheer while contending with traffic during a 3 to 6 hour drive (my preferred upper range limit, generally); and the calming influence of her singing has been noted before in both for a blind raccoon and in VA hospitals. Young folks don't want calming that much, they want hyped up, but for the rest of us, if we want that, coffee will do the job.. :-) Heck, the very size of a CD was influenced by the desire to hold a full recording of Beethoven's 9th Symphony. www.classicfm.com/discover-music/why-is-a-cd-74-minutes/So while the album is not what it once was, and that's at least a little true for all genres give or take album size whole works (mostly but not all classical), it isn't dead nor is it equally declining for all genres. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 18, 2022 18:12:11 GMT -5
It takes more than just a very good voice, youtube is full of people with very good voices. Some truth there, but I'm not sure I'd go so far as "full of people with very good voices". Full without the very, ok; or a few with the very, ok; but the odds are against both. Jackie is maybe even proof of that, given that despite a lack of management and/or drive, she's still around, and making an adequate living. Those of us who never damaged our hearing in our youth and still have excellent hearing and pitch (although darn little rhythm in my case :-( ) can definitely tell the difference, and are MUCH more satisfied with a very good voice than we are concerned about the quality of marketing, not that it might not be more satisfying to see the extra actions taken that could result in wider recognition...provided that doesn't turn into one of those cases of more success than they can handle messing people up. |
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Post by Pin the Tail on Apr 18, 2022 18:20:51 GMT -5
making an adequate living Define "adequate". What is the basis of your statement? |
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Post by donkey on Apr 18, 2022 18:25:48 GMT -5
making an adequate living Define "adequate". What is the basis of your statement? Likely more than any of us ever made in a day. She sells enough tickets to make a living you can be sure. |
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