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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 19:41:09 GMT -5
A sufficiently large and interested portion of the entire citizenry, not any particular organization (government or otherwise). It's long been said we get the government we deserve, and failure to understand and act on "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" (regardless of who actually said it first) is one of the examples of that. But each citizen, or group of citizens, will have their own conflicting opinions on what constitutes "proper bounds". Who will decide? Why must there be a one-size fits all solution to every societal issue? |
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 9, 2018 20:17:48 GMT -5
But each citizen, or group of citizens, will have their own conflicting opinions on what constitutes "proper bounds". Who will decide? Why must there be a one-size fits all solution to every societal issue? On an issue like the proper bounds for government, there can be only one set of proper bounds. Otherwise it would be chaos. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 10, 2018 0:34:57 GMT -5
Why must there be a one-size fits all solution to every societal issue? On an issue like the proper bounds for government, there can be only one set of proper bounds. Otherwise it would be chaos. There has to be some broad common ground, but it doesn't have to be a sharply defined line. Maybe it's better if it isn't, because sharply defined lines are at least as subject to abuse as grey zones. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 10, 2018 11:20:05 GMT -5
There has to be some broad common ground, but it doesn't have to be a sharply defined line. Agreed. But it seems these days that on most important issues (far beyond just gun regulation) there are polar opposites and no common ground, broad or narrow. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 11:39:16 GMT -5
While the remedy is obvious to the few, the many continue to seek 'solutions' that do not last.  True balance can only be maintained by a moral and spiritually upright people. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 12:49:23 GMT -5
Nice to see alternatives start up in response to YouTube's anti-gun rules proposals for content.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 14:28:34 GMT -5
Instead of leaving his wristwatch on the sink, this happened: Story also in print By Tonya Alanez, Sun Sentinel - Sun Sentinel - Thursday, April 12, 2018
Cops: Parkland teacher arrested after leaving gun in restroom
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - A Marjory Stoneman Douglas teacher was arrested after he left a loaded gun in a public restroom and a drunk homeless man found it and fired it, according to an arrest report from the Broward Sheriff's Office. Chemistry teacher Sean Simpson, 43, who was at the Parkland school during the Feb. 14 mass shooting that killed 17, told deputies on Sunday that he forgot the Glock 9 mm in a stall at a restroom at the Deerfield Beach Pier. No one was hurt during the incident. Simpson, of Margate, Fla., was charged with failing to safely store a firearm, a second-degree misdemeanor, and the homeless man, Joseph Spataro, 69, was charged with trespassing and firing a weapon while intoxicated, records show. About five minutes after leaving the bathroom, Simpson realized he'd forgotten the gun and as he was walking back to retrieve it he heard a single gun shot, the report said. Simpson snatched the gun from Spataro's hand. When deputies got there they found the gun with seven bullets with a magazine loaded into it in Simpson's pocket, the report said. They found a casing in a corner of the bathroom and later found a projectile also in the bathroom. Simpson had a valid concealed weapons permit, the report said. He posted $250 bond, records show. Visit the Sun Sentinel (Fort Lauderdale, Fla.) at www.sun-sentinel.com |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 15:08:22 GMT -5
Until human beings acquire self-control, no law can keep humans from killing each other. Ben, do you think humans will ever "acquire" self control? Yes. After hell freezes over.  |
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 12, 2018 15:51:06 GMT -5
Cops: Parkland teacher arrested after leaving gun in restroom That's why I think arming teachers is a bad idea. This will stop school shooters but result in a much greater increase in gun accidents. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 16:40:44 GMT -5
Cops: Parkland teacher arrested after leaving gun in restroom That's why I think arming teachers is a bad idea. This will stop school shooters but result in a much greater increase in gun accidents. In our particular culture, accidents are the price we pay in order to preserve the principle of self-defense. |
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Post by gordy on Apr 12, 2018 18:08:02 GMT -5
That's why I think arming teachers is a bad idea. This will stop school shooters but result in a much greater increase in gun accidents. In our particular culture, accidents are the price we pay in order to preserve the principle of self-defense. How broadly and narrowly do you define "preserve the principle of self-defense" ? If one encounters a person seriously threatening another, say a little old lady, with a gun, is the use of your gun in self-defense for the protection of the little old lady acceptable or must you wait until the gun-totter turns the gun in your direction? If it is acceptable to use one's weapon to defend another against the threat of harm, then would it be okay to arrest with force if necessary to halt another that is DUI and a danger to others or even yourself? If it is indeed considered within the broad definition of "preserve the principle of self-defense", then perhaps we could disband the police forces and simply broaden the possession and use of firearms under the 2nd Amendment. Students in schools could be given a credit course in the use of firearms and a working knowledge of a broadened 2nd Amendment. It would of course be mandatory for all persons over 16 to possess and know how to use a firearm. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 12, 2018 18:42:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 19:11:55 GMT -5
Making ownership mandatory could be challenged as unconstitutional under Articles 1,9 and/or 10 of the Bill of Rights. But it is noteworthy that the towns mentioned are very small, so I doubt that any citizen in those towns objects to the requirements. |
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Post by gordy on Apr 12, 2018 20:05:31 GMT -5
To use self defence as an argument for needing a firearm is an extremely weak one at best. Using Violence Policy Center 2010 data which represents fairly complete and thoroughly analyzed data shows that 230 private citizen firearm actions were conducted in the year in a population of about 350,000,000 or 0.0000657 %. It would seem that self defense is a rare occurence and almost totally neglible to be considered a justifiable arguement in support of gun possession. During the same period of time almost 37 times the number of criminal actions were conducted or approximately 8500 homicides. It seems to me that makes a better argument to consider some sort of gun controls being introduced.
The only logical argument with some strength is that a significant number of people simply like the idea that they own something that can kill someone and do so quite quickly.
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Post by richard on Apr 12, 2018 20:49:05 GMT -5
To use self defence as an argument for needing a firearm is an extremely weak one at best. Using Violence Policy Center 2010 data which represents fairly complete and thoroughly analyzed data shows that 230 private citizen firearm actions were conducted in the year in a population of about 350,000,000 or 0.0000657 %. It would seem that self defense is a rare occurence and almost totally neglible to be considered a justifiable arguement in support of gun possession. During the same period of time almost 37 times the number of criminal actions were conducted or approximately 8500 homicides. It seems to me that makes a better argument to consider some sort of gun controls being introduced. The only logical argument with some strength is that a significant number of people simply like the idea that they own something that can kill someone and do so quite quickly. Violence Policy Center is a far left anti-gun private company that will make anything up. Just because someone wants one is enough reason to have an AR-15. |
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