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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 8, 2018 22:21:28 GMT -5
Now you posit that watching, meaning active vigilance in this case, accomplishes nothing. BULL! And you know it. Watching is keeping informed and alert. So what have you accomplished by your watching, and keeping informed and alert that would not have happened anyway? Don't watch then SCF. Don't scrutinize the elected officials. I DO scrutinize the elected officials. If they do what I agree with, I re-elect them. If they don't I vote for someone else. But it's not the scrutiny that changes things. It's the election. |
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Post by agog on Apr 9, 2018 6:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by agog on Apr 9, 2018 7:06:37 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 7:21:57 GMT -5
WE the people must be the watchers. We can all WATCH but watching accomplishes nothing. What can we DO about it? What we can do is to elect people who will act on our behalf. That's what government is all about. WE the people must be the DOers. Government watches and THEY accomplish nothing. What CAN they do about it? Talk. And that's all. They will talk up a storm for your vote, then nothing gets done. Your faith in a process that has shown no results at all borders on that of the neurotic, always believing doing the same old thing will somehow get magic results THIS time. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 8:58:36 GMT -5
The Battle of Athens (Tenn, not Greece) is a good study, not only for the rationale behind citizens being armed, but also for the inherent corruption in the human race.
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 9, 2018 9:47:15 GMT -5
Government watches and THEY accomplish nothing. Agog disagrees with you: Governments are the great killers of humans throughout History. Killing all those people is hardly "accomplishing nothing". (Of course, people might disagree on whether killing people is a good thing or not. For me, it depends on the people getting killed.) In addition to killing people, governments also build roads and schools. Government educated me and a lot of other people. In a democracy, government is neither good nor bad. It is merely as good or bad as the people. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 12:29:17 GMT -5
Government watches and THEY accomplish nothing. Agog disagrees with you: Governments are the great killers of humans throughout History. Killing all those people is hardly "accomplishing nothing". (Of course, people might disagree on whether killing people is a good thing or not. For me, it depends on the people getting killed.) In addition to killing people, governments also build roads and schools. Government educated me and a lot of other people. In a democracy, government is neither good nor bad. It is merely as good or bad as the people. The Government did none of those things. The Government may have provided the funds to do so, but even those they simply took from someone else. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 12:43:33 GMT -5
The government's business is whatever the majority of the electorate thinks it is. Background checks are useless as long as I can get someone else to buy a gun for me. This is not a democracy the government is confined by what powers the Constitution gave it. Like I said if there is a gun problem then it's up to the government to find out why there is a problem now, when people could go out and buy much deadly weapons 100 years ago with no questions asked. It is bound to have been changes the government has made over time like letting anyone into this country basically not following their own laws that are on the books, of course they created the gangs when they started offering women money just to have kids. If the way things are going and WW-3 happens someday you may see how valuable it is to have a gun and the American people have by far decided that the best gun is an AR-15 type as it is by far the most common type of rifle sold. All through history there are things like wars, invasions, plagues, famine, floods, and other natural disasters that affected ten of million at a time. Not just a few here and there. That is what the 2nd amendment is really about. Perhaps John Adams can tell us what the problem is: (from Mr. Adams to the Massachusetts Militia, October 11, 1798)
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the
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Post by jrchico on Apr 9, 2018 15:34:58 GMT -5
WE the people must be the watchers. We can all WATCH but watching accomplishes nothing. What can we DO about it? What we can do is to elect people who will act on our behalf. That's what government is all about. That is the very reason that President Trump was elected. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 16:39:56 GMT -5
Article from The Guardian (September 2016): Meet America's gun super-owners – with an average of 17 firearms each
Some are collectors with elaborately curated selections of historical firearms, while others are ‘just accumulators’. They say it is surprisingly easy to get to 17 www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/20/gun-ownership-america-firearms-super-ownersPart of Fred's collection of 40 guns:  "Man jewelry" More of Fred's collection:  Robert's collection:  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 16:53:28 GMT -5
17? Did they just start last year? I sold off a lot of mine in the past few years in the interest of down-sizing our lives, and I still have more than 17  And all of mine combined have harmed fewer people than the Clinton Administration did at Ruby Ridge. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 9, 2018 17:49:40 GMT -5
That is the very reason that President Trump was elected. Exactly. I believe in the rule of the law and peaceful change. I conduct my revolutions and protests at the ballot box. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 9, 2018 18:48:53 GMT -5
When people change. Not until then. London's mayor is instituting knife bans (the UK already had comprehensive firearms bans), because London's murder rate has now sometimes matched or topped New York City's. |
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Post by BOGC on Apr 9, 2018 19:12:45 GMT -5
require constant supervision to keep them within their proper bounds. Only a moral people are capable of self governance, and then only with constant vigilance. But who will provide that "constant supervision"? Who will determine the "proper bounds"? Who will maintain the "constant vigilance"? A sufficiently large and interested portion of the entire citizenry, not any particular organization (government or otherwise). It's long been said we get the government we deserve, and failure to understand and act on "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" (regardless of who actually said it first) is one of the examples of that. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 9, 2018 19:29:46 GMT -5
But who will provide that "constant supervision"? Who will determine the "proper bounds"? Who will maintain the "constant vigilance"? A sufficiently large and interested portion of the entire citizenry, not any particular organization (government or otherwise). It's long been said we get the government we deserve, and failure to understand and act on "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" (regardless of who actually said it first) is one of the examples of that. But each citizen, or group of citizens, will have their own conflicting opinions on what constitutes "proper bounds". Who will decide? |
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