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Post by eulenspiegel on Apr 12, 2020 20:19:08 GMT -5
18min docu about Covid treatment by SWR at University Clinic Freiburg...public TV In German but I think it‘s self explaining Again all the treatment is covered!!! Only 10€ per day and only at the most 28 days in a year...afterwards completely free The German medical system has a good reputation. I'm curious about how much income tax people pay there. How high are the tax rates? www.iamexpat.de/expat-info/taxation-germany/german-tax-systemwww.german-tax-consultants.com/german-taxes/value-added-tax-vat--umsatzsteuer.htmlYes higher taxes..but working infrastucure, free schools, universal healthcare, no tuition, world class culture etc. etc. - no one has to be afraid getting bankrupt because of health issues... In a working society everyone has to take responsibilities.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Apr 12, 2020 20:27:59 GMT -5
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Post by eulenspiegel on Apr 12, 2020 22:04:49 GMT -5
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Post by eulenspiegel on Apr 13, 2020 10:51:42 GMT -5
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Post by eulenspiegel on Apr 13, 2020 14:46:28 GMT -5
Complete shutdown till May 11
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Post by eulenspiegel on Apr 13, 2020 20:52:01 GMT -5
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Post by eulenspiegel on Apr 14, 2020 7:43:12 GMT -5
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Post by eulenspiegel on Apr 14, 2020 15:43:37 GMT -5
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 15, 2020 10:18:41 GMT -5
I have moved some posts on a video by the Remnant Newspaper to the Unmoderated Main Political Thread.
Remnant says they are Catholic but they are not affiliated with the Catholic Church. The Remnant says that politicians and media have exaggerated the threat of Covid-19. As far as I know, that does not represent the views of the Catholic Church which has supported all efforts to combat Covid-19, including canceling mass gatherings. Such a view is not mainstream politics and therefore is off topic in this forum.
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Post by BOGC on Apr 15, 2020 11:26:09 GMT -5
I have moved some posts on a video by the Remnant Newspaper to the Unmoderated Main Political Thread. Remnant says they are Catholic but they are not affiliated with the Catholic Church. The Remnant says that politicians and media have exaggerated the threat of Covid-19. As far as I know, that does not represent the views of the Catholic Church which has supported all efforts to combat Covid-19, including canceling mass gatherings. Such a view is not mainstream politics and therefore is off topic in this forum. Without endorsing anyone's peculiar views, I think it quite probable that the media overreact - they love sensationalism. So do politicians, to some degree. Even some of the scientists may be overreacting. There is widespread admission that there may be lots of undetected cases...which would make the lethality of COVID-19 lower, maybe much lower. In that case, it's possible that less strict measures (with less economic and human consequence) properly structured, could be at least as effective. Given the limits of what we know NOW (or at any given time in the past), I don't see much point myself in second-guessing most of what has or is being done (outside of China's, at a minimum, gross bungling and coverup). But as antibody tests become available, then widely available, we will know more about the number of people already exposed (and possibly immune, although that won't be 100% even if it's mostly the case, and that too will take longer to know); certainly at that point at the latest, there could be cause to consider that we might, in 20-20 hindsight, have overreacted, and adjust accordingly...and learn for the next time, because as long as wet markets and/or sloppy labs coexist with coverups, it will DEFINITELY happen again. Even now, one might wonder a bit; remember the ideology of those who said "never let a good crisis go to waste"...and consider that actual loss of life may turn out to be not much greater than a bad flu season, esp. if you subtract losses not incurred due to less flu due to distancing, less vehicle accidents, etc. And certainly those who take Ben Franklin's advice might be skeptical over anything that intrusively expands government power; even if hopefully for a limited time.
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 15, 2020 12:30:04 GMT -5
I don't see much point myself in second-guessing most of what has or is being done (outside of China's, at a minimum, gross bungling and coverup). Here are the Covid death tolls today: Singapore 10, Hong Kong 4, Taiwan 6, Korea 225. USA 27,167. So why did China's "gross bungling and coverup" affect us so much more than those other countries? Because America's negligence and denial was a far bigger factor than China's "gross bungling and coverup". And Trump's frantic efforts to scapegoat China and WHO don't hold up to logical scrutiny. Because all those countries got the exact same information from China and WHO as America did - the difference is that those countries chose to act rather than deny.
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 15, 2020 12:39:32 GMT -5
consider that actual loss of life may turn out to be not much greater than a bad flu season But consider that we were able to keep loss of life at that level only by locking down the economy at huge cost. Imagine what the loss of life would be if we did nothing.
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Post by 1 Guest on Apr 15, 2020 12:45:58 GMT -5
I don't see much point myself in second-guessing most of what has or is being done (outside of China's, at a minimum, gross bungling and coverup). Here are the Covid death tolls today: Singapore 10, Hong Kong 4, Taiwan 6, Korea 225. USA 27,167. So why did China's "gross bungling and coverup" affect us so much more than those other countries? Because America's negligence and denial was a far bigger factor than China's "gross bungling and coverup". And Trump's frantic efforts to scapegoat China and WHO don't hold up to logical scrutiny. Because all those countries got the exact same information from China and WHO as America did - the difference is that those countries chose to act rather than deny. LOL. You're basing that on what? Links to proof of that, please. It sure seems like the Asian population was spared. China may have allowed the new Wuhan virus to spread across the world by allowing international flights to and from Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak, while taking stronger measures to ensure the virus didn’t spread within China. Why was that?
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Post by 1 Guest on Apr 15, 2020 12:50:19 GMT -5
consider that actual loss of life may turn out to be not much greater than a bad flu season But consider that we were able to keep loss of life at that level only by locking down the economy at huge cost. Imagine what the loss of life would be if we did nothing. Imagine is all that we can do. We have no idea what percentage of people infected will end up dying from it because we have no idea how many people were actually infected and just stayed home until they were recovered. The same thing happens with the flu.
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Post by 1 Guest on Apr 15, 2020 13:03:41 GMT -5
I don't see much point myself in second-guessing most of what has or is being done (outside of China's, at a minimum, gross bungling and coverup). Here are the Covid death tolls today: Singapore 10, Hong Kong 4, Taiwan 6, Korea 225. USA 27,167. So why did China's "gross bungling and coverup" affect us so much more than those other countries? Because America's negligence and denial was a far bigger factor than China's "gross bungling and coverup". And Trump's frantic efforts to scapegoat China and WHO don't hold up to logical scrutiny. Because all those countries got the exact same information from China and WHO as America did - the difference is that those countries chose to act rather than deny. Was it also Pres. Trump's fault that Europe has had so many cases and deaths? Even eulenspiegel's perfect Germany has 133,154 confirmed cases and 3,592 dead. Oops, Germany's Government didn't choose to react. And Germany is about as good as it gets in Europe. There's 2,044,892 confirmed cases and 131,393 dead globally. 27,549 dead in the US where we have a population of about 330 million. Are the other 100k + deaths Pres. Trump's fault as well?
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