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Post by amg1977 on May 14, 2022 7:51:43 GMT -5
I haven't seen anything from Jackie that tells me she is pop star material. Not even a glimmer. She's a former cc child star who is all grown up now and largely unknown today, save for her lingering AGT fan base. Not a knock on dear Jackie...it just is what it is. I just hope her mental health continues to improve behind the scenes. I do think she should start doing FB or Instagram lives again soon...connect more personally/directly with her fans.
The answer to whether Jackie could be successful as a pop singer depends on your definition of what constitutes "pop." Since the early twentieth century, popular music has included ragtime, crooners, big bands/swing, early rock & roll, r&b/soul, pop-rock, fok-pop/folk-rock, disco, hip-hop, etc. Jazz only became considered something separate from pop with the development of modern jazz in the post-WW2 period. Until then, it was just a sub-genre of pop. The only parts of rock that would be considered separate from pop would be hard-rock/heavy metal. It is a wide palette and Jackie would need to find a niche.
If by pop, you mean the sort of teen pop played by an Olivia Rodrigo or Tate McRae, then forget it - Jackie cannot pull that off and probably doesn't want to do so. Besides sub-genres, you can divide pop by the targeted age range: Under 15, 10-25, 20-35, 30-45,40-55,50-65,60-75, 70+. I have added some overlap in the divisions as there is the boundaries are rather fluid. Just as reference points, JoJo Siwa would fall almost entirely into the under 15 group, Kenzie Ziegler would split between the Under 15 and 10-25, Tate McRae and Olivia Rodrigo in the 10-25, Ariana Grande in the 20-35, Billie Eilish and Grace Vanderwaal split between the 10-25 and 20-35, Lana Del Ray in the 30-45, Miley Cyrus and Taylor Swift split between the 20-35 and 30-45, and you get the picture. You move back in time and you get to older artists. This does not mean that they won't have fans in other age ranges - just that their target audience falls in that range and the type of pop changed with it.
Although CC is generally placed with classical, it is actually a hybrid with pop and depends on what variety of CC you mean. Some of Jackie's CC was originally by pop artists Ed Sheeran ("All of the Stars"), Taylor Swift ("Safe & Sound"), and even rock groups like U2 ("With or Without You"). So, in a sense, she has already done pop. There is also that song "Go Time" in a Justice commercial she did that was essentially a bubblegum pop song:
Contrary to what you might think, she did it just fine (for what is was). But that was at 14 years old prior to whatever sort of issues she developed in recent years. Also, at 20, Jackie would have no interest in singing bubblegum pop or even teen pop for the 10-25 age group. However, she could do just fine as a singer of a more adult flavored pop music such as that by Adele or Lana Del Ray. I don't see any reason why Jackie could not sing material like that Lana has done in the past:
The real problem here is not that Jackie cannot sing material like that, but as far as I can tell she cannot write material like that. Now I know Lisa said Jackie has written all these amazing songs, but until I hear Jackie sing a few of them, I am calling BS on that one. It would then be more an issue of whether she could find a collaborator. Whether she could afford a good one depends on how much money she really has left. None of us really know. If she is on a tight budget, you could seek out a young songwriter as a collaborator.
Ideally, it would also help if she had a mentor of sorts to help her develop her recording skills. Singing live and singing in the studio are two different things (that is also why traditionally session musicians were different from road musicians - playing to a crowd and playing to a producer's directions are two different skill sets). Many artists had someone like that when they began to take control of their career. When she first signed, I was hoping an old pro like Mollin might to that with Jackie but it seems he is more an "I'm in control here and you do what I say" type. In the future, since she spends a lot of time in NYC, someone might suggest Ido Zmishlany. He is an excellent producer, songwriter, and mentor. He has worked with, among others, Shawn Mendes, Camilla Cabello, Imagine Dragons, Justin Bieber, Demi Lavato, Sabrina Carpenter, and Grace Vanderwaal. He was Grace's mentor from roughly 2017-2019. Grace often referred to him as a musical genius and mentioned in interviews that he would always challenge and encoirage her to learn more and move forward. Jackie is still very young and could use someone giving her confidence.
There is also the issue of personality but that is not always as big a deal as you might think. It only matters if you want major stardom. If you would be happy with a loyal alt-pop audience, they often embrace recluses and general weirdos. The aforementioned Ms. Del Ray is a perfect example as she long suffered from stage fright and her interviews would often leave both reporters and readers scratching their heads (try making sense of this).
[As an aside, Lana also had to deal with political correctness when, despite being very much on the left, they tried to cancel her for a tweet some people thought was racist. Instead of backpedaling, she essentially told them to go f**k themselves. She ended up more popular. So there's a lesson for Jackie.]
The main point is that it is not necessary for Jackie to be a teen pop star to be a pop singer. She can aim at an older audience. The idea should be to lower the target age range - not by 50 years but maybe by 20-30 years.
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Post by donkey on May 14, 2022 9:24:46 GMT -5
Jackie was OK with singing for Trump until he took action against transgenders. She realized she could no longer stay neutral on the issue and was forced to pick one side or the other. She chose to support Juliet and apologized for singing for Trump. Moderator, please move this post to the Political thread. No, she didnt apologize for singing for Trump. She said she was sad that some transgenders thought her singing the anthem meant she was against transgender rights, which wasn't true. She didn't sing for Trump anyway, she sang for the office. When asked is she would do it over again, she said she didn't know. It's not a pro or anti Trump thing with Jackie at all. |
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Post by donkey on May 14, 2022 9:31:11 GMT -5
I haven't seen anything from Jackie that tells me she is pop star material. Not even a glimmer. She's a former cc child star who is all grown up now and largely unknown today, save for her lingering AGT fan base. Not a knock on dear Jackie...it just is what it is. I just hope her mental health continues to improve behind the scenes. I do think she should start doing FB or Instagram lives again soon...connect more personally/directly with her fans.
The answer to whether Jackie could be successful as a pop singer depends on your definition of what constitutes "pop." Since the early twentieth century, popular music has included ragtime, crooners, big bands/swing, early rock & roll, r&b/soul, pop-rock, fok-pop/folk-rock, disco, hip-hop, etc. Jazz only became considered something separate from pop with the development of modern jazz in the post-WW2 period. Until then, it was just a sub-genre of pop. The only parts of rock that would be considered separate from pop would be hard-rock/heavy metal. It is a wide palette and Jackie would need to find a niche.
If by pop, you mean the sort of teen pop played by an Olivia Rodrigo or Tate McRae, then forget it - Jackie cannot pull that off and probably doesn't want to do so. Besides sub-genres, you can divide pop by the targeted age range: Under 15, 10-25, 20-35, 30-45,40-55,50-65,60-75, 70+. I have added some overlap in the divisions as there is the boundaries are rather fluid. Just as reference points, JoJo Siwa would fall almost entirely into the under 15 group, Kenzie Ziegler would split between the Under 15 and 10-25, Tate McRae and Olivia Rodrigo in the 10-25, Ariana Grande in the 20-35, Billie Eilish and Grace Vanderwaal split between the 10-25 and 20-35, Lana Del Ray in the 30-45, Miley Cyrus and Taylor Swift split between the 20-35 and 30-45, and you get the picture. You move back in time and you get to older artists. This does not mean that they won't have fans in other age ranges - just that their target audience falls in that range and the type of pop changed with it.
Although CC is generally placed with classical, it is actually a hybrid with pop and depends on what variety of CC you mean. Some of Jackie's CC was originally by pop artists Ed Sheeran ("All of the Stars"), Taylor Swift ("Safe & Sound"), and even rock groups like U2 ("With or Without You"). So, in a sense, she has already done pop. There is also that song "Go Time" in a Justice commercial she did that was essentially a bubblegum pop song:
Contrary to what you might think, she did it just fine (for what is was). But that was at 14 years old prior to whatever sort of issues she developed in recent years. Also, at 20, Jackie would have no interest in singing bubblegum pop or even teen pop for the 10-25 age group. However, she could do just fine as a singer of a more adult flavored pop music such as that by Adele or Lana Del Ray. I don't see any reason why Jackie could not sing material like that Lana has done in the past:
The real problem here is not that Jackie cannot sing material like that, but as far as I can tell she cannot write material like that. Now I know Lisa said Jackie has written all these amazing songs, but until I hear Jackie sing a few of them, I am calling BS on that one. It would then be more an issue of whether she could find a collaborator. Whether she could afford a good one depends on how much money she really has left. None of us really know. If she is on a tight budget, you could seek out a young songwriter as a collaborator.
Ideally, it would also help if she had a mentor of sorts to help her develop her recording skills. Singing live and singing in the studio are two different things (that is also why traditionally session musicians were different from road musicians - playing to a crowd and playing to a producer's directions are two different skill sets). Many artists had someone like that when they began to take control of their career. When she first signed, I was hoping an old pro like Mollin might to that with Jackie but it seems he is more an "I'm in control here and you do what I say" type. In the future, since she spends a lot of time in NYC, someone might suggest Ido Zmishlany. He is an excellent producer, songwriter, and mentor. He has worked with, among others, Shawn Mendes, Camilla Cabello, Imagine Dragons, Justin Bieber, Demi Lavato, Sabrina Carpenter, and Grace Vanderwaal. He was Grace's mentor from roughly 2017-2019. Grace often referred to him as a musical genius and mentioned in interviews that he would always challenge and encoirage her to learn more and move forward. Jackie is still very young and could use someone giving her confidence.
There is also the issue of personality but that is not always as big a deal as you might think. It only matters if you want major stardom. If you would be happy with a loyal alt-pop audience, they often embrace recluses and general weirdos. The aforementioned Ms. Del Ray is a perfect example as she long suffered from stage fright and her interviews would often leave both reporters and readers scratching their heads (try making sense of this).
[As an aside, Lana also had to deal with political correctness when, despite being very much on the left, they tried to cancel her for a tweet some people thought was racist. Instead of backpedaling, she essentially told them to go f**k themselves. She ended up more popular. So there's a lesson for Jackie.]
The main point is that it is not necessary for Jackie to be a teen pop star to be a pop singer. She can aim at an older audience. The idea should be to lower the target age range - not by 50 years but maybe by 20-30 years.
Some good points. Yes, Jackie has definitely sang some "pop" songs, even during the height of her fame (Songs from the Silver Screen). My point really was that to reinvent herself at this time in order to gain a larger, new fan base in the pop genre (which has seemed to be a desire of hers) would take some original, catchy or edgy material that a label would then have to agree to publish. Then people would have to hear it (tough to do...most today dont know who she is), like it enough to buy it...in large numbers. Jackie's a quiet, introverted, private, conservative girl who is dealing with mental disorders. Her personality isn't going to capture anyones attention, thats for sure. Just saying the odds of her succeeding in such an endeavor are slim...it's a very difficult thing to do. |
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Post by johnnyb on May 14, 2022 10:05:07 GMT -5
***** rlhamil Avatar Posts: 512Male about an hour ago WOW! Quote likedislike Post Options Post by rlhamil on about an hour ago I wondered why the YouTube of Jackie's version of Both Sides Now was provided by "The Orchard Enterprises". Here's the answer: www.facebook.com/melodyplacemusic/photos/a.860089007665447/1429727650701577/(The Orchard is a Sony operation, that provides distribution for among others, independent labels and artists.) So presumably it's not a random release at all, but part of intentional (if so far modest) publicity. |
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Post by amg1977 on May 14, 2022 10:29:16 GMT -5
Some good points. Yes, Jackie has definitely sang some "pop" songs, even during the height of her fame (Songs from the Silver Screen). My point really was that to reinvent herself at this time in order to gain a larger, new fan base in the pop genre (which has seemed to be a desire of hers) would take some original, catchy or edgy material that a label would then have to agree to publish. Then people would have to hear it (tough to do...most today dont know who she is), like it enough to buy it...in large numbers. Jackie's a quiet, introverted, private, conservative girl who is dealing with mental disorders. Her personality isn't going to capture anyones attention, thats for sure. Just saying the odds of her succeeding in such an endeavor are slim...it's a very difficult thing to do.
Those would be legitimate points ten years ago. However, not any longer. Let me explain...
[It] would take some original, catchy or edgy material that a label would then have to agree to publish.
The first point is an important one and I addressed it above. She does need original quality material and I mentioned the possibilities of getting a source. This would apply whether she were on a label or not. She needs a collaborator - preferably one who can produce as well and allows freedom in the studio. I had suggested Ido Zmishlany but I meant someone like him - not necessarily him in particular. Then it would be go to a label and sell the idea. If Melody Place doesn't want her to do it, then perhaps they should part ways. It does not seem like they are doing much for her anyway. This may mean going independent but not in the way she did last time where she cut actual CDs which only makes sense if you are signed to a major label which Jackie hasn't been for years.
Then people would have to hear it (tough to do...most today dont know who she is)
There is this thing called the internet ... Jackie has social media sites that are utterly useless in how she employs them. I have outlined in pieces what she needs to do but I will put it together so you get the whole picture.
The key is the YouTube site. Musicians drive traffic to their other social media sites via YouTube and TikTok but the latter is more for kids. Make videos of Jackie covering popular songs of the day as well as the most popular songs from the last few decades and post them on her YouTube channel. It is important they have instrumental accompaniment. She could sing them live with someone accompanying her on piano or guitar, sing then with recorded accompaniment, or she could lip sync to a pre-recorded track (so long as she doesn't label it "live performance" there is no issue). With covers, make sure you title it something like "Jackie Evancho covers Hello by Adele" and places both the song title as well as the covered artist in the hashtags. Then people who like that artist or song will get recommended Jackie's cover. Also, if they search for the song or artist, they will come across Jackie's cover as well. One should also place in the description how this song means so much to them and how they love the artist (self-serving bs allowed) as it will endear them tot the artist's fans. Jackie's perceived classical background might even help as it makes their favorite artist appear to be taken more seriously.
I would begin with the songs she did on TMS and work from there. If she begins gaining viewers, she might try things like asking for suggestions for songs to cover as it makes an audience feel more invested. Then, as new songs are developed, space them in between the covers (maybe every fourth or fifth video) and see if any of these songs get major positive feedback with her audience. Eventually you will have a good idea of what songs to record in a studio and release as a single or EP.
The YouTube page should be set up to reflect the new direction. There should be a featured playlist with her versions of the songs she did on TMS featured prominently on her front page. Also have a playlist for pop covers, originals, songs from movies and musicals, and "classical" (ok it's not really classical but the public thinks it is). That way both newer and older fans could get to what they want quickly and avoid everything else.
like it enough to buy it...in large numbers.
People don't buy music anymore ... at least not in any demographic she would be aiming if she made a serious go at this pop thing. They stream. It would cost them nothing to give Jackie a try. Hell, they would already have heard a raw version of the song on YouTube. There are no major expenses in publishing through Spotify, Amazon, Apple, etc., apart from the studio expense. No CDs to publish, etc. There is a whole audience for singers who are alternatives to what mainstream radio plays. Lana Del Ray gets very little airplay, Grace practically none; yet Grace can stream each of her singles into the millions and Lana into the tens and even hundreds of millions.
By the way, once she begins to build an audience, increased success will drive people to her Instagram for pictures. She now with Christina has contact with a top photographer. Given she will still have an older audience, her Facebook would also be useful. There are dozens of young women who have carved out audiences in this fashion. So it can be done. She will not likely reach the level of popularity she did immediately after AGT, but she could get one that is sustainable. The main problem would be the mental health issues and the finances until she builds an audience. That is why I had stated a lot would depend on her current financial status.
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Post by donkey on May 14, 2022 11:05:24 GMT -5
Some good points. Yes, Jackie has definitely sang some "pop" songs, even during the height of her fame (Songs from the Silver Screen). My point really was that to reinvent herself at this time in order to gain a larger, new fan base in the pop genre (which has seemed to be a desire of hers) would take some original, catchy or edgy material that a label would then have to agree to publish. Then people would have to hear it (tough to do...most today dont know who she is), like it enough to buy it...in large numbers. Jackie's a quiet, introverted, private, conservative girl who is dealing with mental disorders. Her personality isn't going to capture anyones attention, thats for sure. Just saying the odds of her succeeding in such an endeavor are slim...it's a very difficult thing to do.
Those would be legitimate points ten years ago. However, not any longer. Let me explain...
[It] would take some original, catchy or edgy material that a label would then have to agree to publish.
The first point is an important one and I addressed it above. She does need original quality material and I mentioned the possibilities of getting a source. This would apply whether she were on a label or not. She needs a collaborator - preferably one who can produce as well and allows freedom in the studio. I had suggested Ido Zmishlany but I meant someone like him - not necessarily him in particular. Then it would be go to a label and sell the idea. If Melody Place doesn't want her to do it, then perhaps they should part ways. It does not seem like they are doing much for her anyway. This may mean going independent but not in the way she did last time where she cut actual CDs which only makes sense if you are signed to a major label which Jackie hasn't been for years.
Then people would have to hear it (tough to do...most today dont know who she is)
There is this thing called the internet ... Jackie has social media sites that are utterly useless in how she employs them. I have outlined in pieces what she needs to do but I will put it together so you get the whole picture.
The key is the YouTube site. Musicians drive traffic to their other social media sites via YouTube and TikTok but the latter is more for kids. Make videos of Jackie covering popular songs of the day as well as the most popular songs from the last few decades and post them on her YouTube channel. It is important they have instrumental accompaniment. She could sing them live with someone accompanying her on piano or guitar, sing then with recorded accompaniment, or she could lip sync to a pre-recorded track (so long as she doesn't label it "live performance" there is no issue). With covers, make sure you title it something like "Jackie Evancho covers Hello by Adele" and places both the song title as well as the covered artist in the hashtags. Then people who like that artist or song will get recommended Jackie's cover. Also, if they search for the song or artist, they will come across Jackie's cover as well. One should also place in the description how this song means so much to them and how they love the artist (self-serving bs allowed) as it will endear them tot the artist's fans. Jackie's perceived classical background might even help as it makes their favorite artist appear to be taken more seriously.
I would begin with the songs she did on TMS and work from there. If she begins gaining viewers, she might try things like asking for suggestions for songs to cover as it makes an audience feel more invested. Then, as new songs are developed, space them in between the covers (maybe every fourth or fifth video) and see if any of these songs get major positive feedback with her audience. Eventually you will have a good idea of what songs to record in a studio and release as a single or EP.
The YouTube page should be set up to reflect the new direction. There should be a featured playlist with her versions of the songs she did on TMS featured prominently on her front page. Also have a playlist for pop covers, originals, songs from movies and musicals, and "classical" (ok it's not really classical but the public thinks it is). That way both newer and older fans could get to what they want quickly and avoid everything else.
like it enough to buy it...in large numbers.
People don't buy music anymore ... at least not in any demographic she would be aiming if she made a serious go at this pop thing. They stream. It would cost them nothing to give Jackie a try. Hell, they would already have heard a raw version of the song on YouTube. There are no major expenses in publishing through Spotify, Amazon, Apple, etc., apart from the studio expense. No CDs to publish, etc. There is a whole audience for singers who are alternatives to what mainstream radio plays. Lana Del Ray gets very little airplay, Grace practically none; yet Grace can stream each of her singles into the millions and Lana into the tens and even hundreds of millions.
By the way, once she begins to build an audience, increased success will drive people to her Instagram for pictures. She now with Christina has contact with a top photographer. Given she will still have an older audience, her Facebook would also be useful. There are dozens of young women who have carved out audiences in this fashion. So it can be done. She will not likely reach the level of popularity she did immediately after AGT, but she could get one that is sustainable. The main problem would be the mental health issues and the finances until she builds an audience. That is why I had stated a lot would depend on her current financial status.
Do I think it's possible to substantially increase her fan base/audience? Sure. Do I think it's likely? No. But time will tell.  |
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Post by richard on May 14, 2022 12:09:35 GMT -5
By the way, once she begins to build an audience, increased success will drive people to her Instagram for pictures. She now with Christina has contact with a top photographer. Given she will still have an older audience, her Facebook would also be useful. There are dozens of young women who have carved out audiences in this fashion. So it can be done. She will not likely reach the level of popularity she did immediately after [abbr style="border-bottom: 1px dotted #000000;" title="America's Got Talent"]AGT[/abbr], but she could get one that is sustainable. The main problem would be the mental health issues and the finances until she builds an audience. That is why I had stated a lot would depend on her current financial status. Don't forget youtube influencer shows that just about all the artist use these days. Many have 10s of millions of subscribers that is why they are called influencers. Even the Zach Sang Show who only has 690k subscribers gets artist like Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande, Miley Cyrus, Billie Eilish, Selena Gomez, Madison Beer, Shawn Mendes, Olivia Rodrigo, Ed Sheeran, Sabrina Carpenter and Lady Gaga and Lesser known stars like Kenzie Ziegler, Grace Vanderwaal and Johnny Orlando have been on his show. Most of the top stars have been on his show several times so they sure must not think it is a waste of their time. www.youtube.com/c/ZachSangAndTheGang/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid |
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Post by amg1977 on May 14, 2022 12:33:46 GMT -5
By the way, once she begins to build an audience, increased success will drive people to her Instagram for pictures. She now with Christina has contact with a top photographer. Given she will still have an older audience, her Facebook would also be useful. There are dozens of young women who have carved out audiences in this fashion. So it can be done. She will not likely reach the level of popularity she did immediately after [abbr style="border-bottom: 1px dotted #000000;" title="America's Got Talent"]AGT[/abbr], but she could get one that is sustainable. The main problem would be the mental health issues and the finances until she builds an audience. That is why I had stated a lot would depend on her current financial status. Don't forget youtube influencer shows that just about all the artist use these days. Many have 10s of millions of subscribers that is why they are called influencers. Even the Zach Sang Show who only has 690k subscribers gets artist like Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande, Miley Cyrus, Billie Eilish, Selena Gomez, Madison Beer, Shawn Mendes, Olivia Rodrigo, Ed Sheeran, Sabrina Carpenter and Lady Gaga and Lesser known stars like Kenzie Ziegler, Grace Vanderwaal and Johnny Orlando have been on his show. Most of the top stars have been on his show several times so they sure must not think it is a waste of their time. www.youtube.com/c/ZachSangAndTheGang/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=gridZach Sang is highly influential because (1) he specializes in young artists, (2) he is a great interviewer and fans of artists usually agree his interviews were the best and (3) he will work with the artist's handlers to get out the message they wish to convey. In that sense. he is in the artist's corner. He helped Taylor Swift defend her move from country to pop, let Miley Cyrus tell her side of the story on her "crazy" period, helped Ariana Grande defend her move to a more racy image (she was a kids' star) and introduced the world to a young indie singer named Billie Eilish. In return, many of these stars have shown their appreciation by returning for interviews to boost his program. Helping someone young move to pop from CC would be a no brainer for him. |
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Post by donkey on May 14, 2022 14:34:09 GMT -5
Don't forget youtube influencer shows that just about all the artist use these days. Many have 10s of millions of subscribers that is why they are called influencers. Even the Zach Sang Show who only has 690k subscribers gets artist like Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande, Miley Cyrus, Billie Eilish, Selena Gomez, Madison Beer, Shawn Mendes, Olivia Rodrigo, Ed Sheeran, Sabrina Carpenter and Lady Gaga and Lesser known stars like Kenzie Ziegler, Grace Vanderwaal and Johnny Orlando have been on his show. Most of the top stars have been on his show several times so they sure must not think it is a waste of their time. www.youtube.com/c/ZachSangAndTheGang/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=gridZach Sang is highly influential because (1) he specializes in young artists, (2) he is a great interviewer and fans of artists usually agree his interviews were the best and (3) he will work with the artist's handlers to get out the message they wish to convey. In that sense. he is in the artist's corner. He helped Taylor Swift defend her move from country to pop, let Miley Cyrus tell her side of the story on her "crazy" period, helped Ariana Grande defend her move to a more racy image (she was a kids' star) and introduced the world to a young indie singer named Billie Eilish. In return, many of these stars have shown their appreciation by returning for interviews to boost his program. Helping someone young move to pop from CC would be a no brainer for him. She hasn't been able to do any of this for years and years...not sure what you think is going change that dynamic. |
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Post by amg1977 on May 14, 2022 15:15:09 GMT -5
Zach Sang is highly influential because (1) he specializes in young artists, (2) he is a great interviewer and fans of artists usually agree his interviews were the best and (3) he will work with the artist's handlers to get out the message they wish to convey. In that sense. he is in the artist's corner. He helped Taylor Swift defend her move from country to pop, let Miley Cyrus tell her side of the story on her "crazy" period, helped Ariana Grande defend her move to a more racy image (she was a kids' star) and introduced the world to a young indie singer named Billie Eilish. In return, many of these stars have shown their appreciation by returning for interviews to boost his program. Helping someone young move to pop from CC would be a no brainer for him. She hasn't been able to do any of this for years and years...not sure what you think is going change that dynamic. I'm not saying she's going to do it or is even remotely likely to do it. I am saying it not that herculean a task under the right circumstsnces. This would require having someone on her team that has a clue. Mike can stay but realize he's not in charge. Christina probably knows people who can advise her. She would have to be over her mental issues but I wonder if a lot of that is tied to a sense of helplessness when dealing with her career. If someone who knows how to win the game shows up, she might be in a better place. The main concern would be making sure she was committed to seeing it through and being financially stable until then. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 15:56:47 GMT -5
Jackie's last album was distributed by Amplified Distribution and Alliance Entertainment. Amplified still shows her in their home page client array, along with Dr. John, Juliana Hatfield, and Big Head Todd & the Monsters. The others I'm not familiar with. Now she's with a 'label' that uses Orchard, which does basically the same thing as Amplified/Alliance.
Amplified at least managed to get her CD into the small-town Walmart where I found it, but I don't know if they had anything to do with digital distribution and publicity, etc.
I'd like to know why Jackie signed with a label. Was a self-produced album too expensive? Too much work? Did she expect The Debut to revive her career? (Given her talk about building and "empire" I suspect there were vastly inflated expectations all around about what that album would do for her).
The decision to sign with a label had to come from some kind of realization/frustration. My guess is that the family break up and all the stuff Jackie's been dealing with overwhelmed her and her 'manager' to the point of grasping at straws. Along comes some floating debris called Melody Place, and...
It remains to be seen if this decision is just one in a series of amateur missteps, or whether this lifeboat will sink too.
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Post by richard on May 14, 2022 18:31:30 GMT -5
I'd like to know why Jackie signed with a label. Was a self-produced album too expensive? Too much work? Did she expect The Debut to revive her career? (Given her talk about building and "empire" I suspect there were vastly inflated expectations all around about what that album would do for her). Actually Jackie was putting her hopes in the Masked Singer jump starting her career.
Notice that Jackie actually knows she is sexy and mentions it. She wants to be a pop star so bad.
Can't blame her she wants a lively audience like her peers have.
Jump to 9:05 what the hell happened.
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Post by M Sims on May 14, 2022 19:27:38 GMT -5
Jackie's last album was distributed by Amplified Distribution and Alliance Entertainment. Amplified still shows her in their home page client array, along with Dr. John, Juliana Hatfield, and Big Head Todd & the Monsters. The others I'm not familiar with. Now she's with a 'label' that uses Orchard, which does basically the same thing as Amplified/Alliance. Amplified at least managed to get her CD into the small-town Walmart where I found it, but I don't know if they had anything to do with digital distribution and publicity, etc. I'd like to know why Jackie signed with a label. Was a self-produced album too expensive? Too much work? Did she expect The Debut to revive her career? (Given her talk about building and "empire" I suspect there were vastly inflated expectations all around about what that album would do for her). The decision to sign with a label had to come from some kind of realization/frustration. My guess is that the family break up and all the stuff Jackie's been dealing with overwhelmed her and her 'manager' to the point of grasping at straws. Along comes some floating debris called Melody Place, and... It remains to be seen if this decision is just one in a series of amateur missteps, or whether this lifeboat will sink too. Explain what you meant by “revive her career”. |
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Post by donkey on May 14, 2022 19:58:21 GMT -5
Jackie's last album was distributed by Amplified Distribution and Alliance Entertainment. Amplified still shows her in their home page client array, along with Dr. John, Juliana Hatfield, and Big Head Todd & the Monsters. The others I'm not familiar with. Now she's with a 'label' that uses Orchard, which does basically the same thing as Amplified/Alliance. Amplified at least managed to get her CD into the small-town Walmart where I found it, but I don't know if they had anything to do with digital distribution and publicity, etc. I'd like to know why Jackie signed with a label. Was a self-produced album too expensive? Too much work? Did she expect The Debut to revive her career? (Given her talk about building and "empire" I suspect there were vastly inflated expectations all around about what that album would do for her). The decision to sign with a label had to come from some kind of realization/frustration. My guess is that the family break up and all the stuff Jackie's been dealing with overwhelmed her and her 'manager' to the point of grasping at straws. Along comes some floating debris called Melody Place, and... It remains to be seen if this decision is just one in a series of amateur missteps, or whether this lifeboat will sink too. Explain what you meant by “revive her career”. Well, bring it back to anywhere near where it was at its height in the few years following AGT. You know before the decline in fan base size, concert audience ticket sales volume, and album sales volume. You know, back when she had an album that went platinum, was highly sought after in a number of venues, appeared on talk shows from Oprah to The Tonight Show to Springer to The View to Fox and Friends. Back when she headlined with such names as David Foster, Tony Bennett, Andrea Bocelli, and Barbara Streisand (in absentia). Back when she was doing PBS specials, and back when a lot of people actually knew who she was. Back when she had considerably more fame, much more of a revenue stream flowing in, and was able to sign with major labels to produce her music. |
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Post by Pin the Tail on May 14, 2022 20:21:25 GMT -5
Explain what you meant by “revive her career”. CPR? |
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