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Post by msims on May 15, 2022 2:20:22 GMT -5
Explain what you meant by “revive her career”. Well, bring it back to anywhere near where it was at its height in the few years following AGT. As if its conceivable that one could be hit by lightning twice in the same spot. That happened in 2017 with Marc her Manager's help and concerts were sold out. During the Trump Era, she was on NBC Today, GMA (which she went back to sing Burn a few years later), CBS Sunday Morning, Fox and Friends, and even Good Morning Britain. She later did The View with Juliet. As well as Nightline. Not to mention she got her own tv special on TLC which btw M&L joked that they turned down Jackie singing for Putin. But who knows. It helped that she had a solid publicist in Kim Jakwerth. Never even during the height of the AGT fame would it have been possible to be on competing network morning shows. So Jackie and her Team played the "fame" game during 2017 and Jackie is one of the few who associated with Trump and came out unscathed. There is a problem in comparing her to those who are social media influencers when Rickky knows full well she isn't interested in being a social media influencer. She is interested in songwriting though (even released some in that same 2017 year) but the comparison to female singer songwriters when you think its BS that she has written songs doesn't make sense. Ill bite though and compare Jackie's success to Lana and Big Boobs Billie. I looked at their best selling albums in what they did in pure US sales only. Keep in mind Jackie had like 30,000 twitter followers at the time and maybe 100k followers on facebook. I was shocked to find that Jackie's OHN sold (1.2m) which is not that far behind Lana's biggest seller (her 2012 album). Big Boobs Billie's best selling album by the end of 2019 did about 600k in pure sales (wiki says 340 by mid year so it was difficult to find a pure sales figure that didnt include equivalent), which is half of what Jackie's best selling album did. I didnt factor in streaming because it wasnt a factor at the time of OHN and Jackie is not a streaming artist. Comparing Jackie to anyone who streams alot is nonsensical to begin with. Ive said this same thing for over a decade. To understand her career one has to look at Josh Groban but honestly this discussion is not about understanding her career, its about undermining it and belittling her career. Groban is not a songwriter, he sings covers. He is CC but he is not CC, he doesn't have a pop career but he has a pop career. He releases albums, performs songs from his album on tv and tours on those albums. That is the model and always has been. He uses social media alot, Jackie doesn't and im pretty sure using social media made her health issues worse but unless you have the ability to empathize/have any respect for Jackie at all of course you are going to insist she use social media. Jackie is going to promote an album of Joni Mitchell material, that will attract new fans. The only material she should be singing on youtube is from her new album. I see no reason why she wouldn't. So I still dont know what one means when they say her career needs reviving. Numerous artists' careers were on hold due to covid. |
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Post by amg1977 on May 15, 2022 3:58:55 GMT -5
Jackie's last album was distributed by Amplified Distribution and Alliance Entertainment. Amplified still shows her in their home page client array, along with Dr. John, Juliana Hatfield, and Big Head Todd & the Monsters. The others I'm not familiar with. Now she's with a 'label' that uses Orchard, which does basically the same thing as Amplified/Alliance. Amplified at least managed to get her CD into the small-town Walmart where I found it, but I don't know if they had anything to do with digital distribution and publicity, etc. I'd like to know why Jackie signed with a label. Was a self-produced album too expensive? Too much work? Did she expect The Debut to revive her career? (Given her talk about building and "empire" I suspect there were vastly inflated expectations all around about what that album would do for her). The decision to sign with a label had to come from some kind of realization/frustration. My guess is that the family break up and all the stuff Jackie's been dealing with overwhelmed her and her 'manager' to the point of grasping at straws. Along comes some floating debris called Melody Place, and... It remains to be seen if this decision is just one in a series of amateur missteps, or whether this lifeboat will sink too.
Whether it is distributed by Amplified or Orchard is really irrelevant as they are merely providing a service. If either would be favored, Orchard seems to be the one as they are a subsidiary of by Sony which is one of the "big three" (along with UMG and Warners) recording conglomerates. This is actually good news for some of Jackie's older fans who haven't figured out streaming yet as they will at least be able to buy the CD from Amazon. If not for that deal, I don't know if it would have been feasible to have them printed as the fixed costs would be prohibitive. With a service, the fixed costs of printing CDs are divided over all their customers and hence affordable. Jackie is still appearing on the Amplified page since they are still the ones who would distribute any remaining copies of The Debut CD. They were not a label but just a service to distribute hard media as is Orchard. |
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Post by amg1977 on May 15, 2022 5:07:04 GMT -5
For those who think the idea of Jackie turning things around as I suggested in earlier posts is impossible, allow me to point to an analogous situation of a young singer with a primarily older fanbase who has managed to bridge the gap to younger fans (not teenagers but younger adults) while maintaining her existing fanbase.
Angelina Jordan had an audience of primarily older folks (not as old as Jackie's base but old enough) who loved her versions of standards like "Fly Me to the Moon", etc. She had already achieved as large an audience as you could within the confines of that genre. Like Jackie, she also has an amazing voice and has used talent shows to gain an audience (she won Norway's Got Talent at age 7 and competed on AGT Champions at 13). She made a decision to move in a pop direction to expand her audience.
She, like Jackie, went viral on a talent show and wowed everyone with her performance of Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" on AGT.
However, Angelina did follow up on social media and pushed out her cover of "Bohemian Rhapsody" as a single where it has now has over 7 million streams on Spotify alone. She then ended up being signed by UMG/Republic Records. She was teamed with songwriters (she has written a few songs on her own but she's no Joni Mitchell) and has two singles out so far. The most recent "7th Heaven" has over 2 million streams on Spotify and the video 1.6 million on YouTube so she is on her way to a sold, sustainable career despite still having a rather small fanbase.
She is currently 16 years old.
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Post by donkey on May 15, 2022 10:17:28 GMT -5
For those who think the idea of Jackie turning things around as I suggested in earlier posts is impossible, allow me to point to an analogous situation of a young singer with a primarily older fanbase who has managed to bridge the gap to younger fans (not teenagers but younger adults) while maintaining her existing fanbase.
Angelina Jordan had an audience of primarily older folks (not as old as Jackie's base but old enough) who loved her versions of standards like "Fly Me to the Moon", etc. She had already achieved as large an audience as you could within the confines of that genre. Like Jackie, she also has an amazing voice and has used talent shows to gain an audience (she won Norway's Got Talent at age 7 and competed on AGT Champions at 13). She made a decision to move in a pop direction to expand her audience.
She, like Jackie, went viral on a talent show and wowed everyone with her performance of Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" on AGT.
However, Angelina did follow up on social media and pushed out her cover of "Bohemian Rhapsody" as a single where it has now has over 7 million streams on Spotify alone. She then ended up being signed by UMG/Republic Records. She was teamed with songwriters (she has written a few songs on her own but she's no Joni Mitchell) and has two singles out so far. The most recent "7th Heaven" has over 2 million streams on Spotify and the video 1.6 million on YouTube so she is on her way to a sold, sustainable career despite still having a rather small fanbase.
She is currently 16 years old.
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Post by ChrisR on May 15, 2022 10:38:59 GMT -5
Ive said this same thing for over a decade. To understand her career one has to look at Josh Groban but honestly this discussion is not about understanding her career, its about undermining it and belittling her career. Groban is not a songwriter, he sings covers. He is CC but he is not CC, he doesn't have a pop career but he has a pop career. He releases albums, performs songs from his album on tv and tours on those albums. That is the model and always has been. He uses social media alot, Jackie doesn't and im pretty sure using social media made her health issues worse but unless you have the ability to empathize/have any respect for Jackie at all of course you are going to insist she use social media. Jackie is going to promote an album of Joni Mitchell material, that will attract new fans. The only material she should be singing on youtube is from her new album. I see no reason why she wouldn't. So I still dont know what one means when they say her career needs reviving. Numerous artists' careers were on hold due to covid. Most of us, not including you, take a realistic look at the current status of her career. A strong case can be made that some of those around her who have managed her career have somewhat undermined it. Speaking of belittling, you could set a great example by not belittling other entertainers/artists that we talk about in here. "He uses social media alot, Jackie doesn't and im pretty sure using social media made her health issues worse but unless you have the ability to empathize/have any respect for Jackie at all of course you are going to insist she use social media."She can still use social media in a positive way and work around the worse aspects of it. |
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Post by richard on May 15, 2022 11:31:19 GMT -5
Groban is not a songwriter, he sings covers. He is CC but he is not CC, he doesn't have a pop career but he has a pop career. He releases albums, performs songs from his album on tv and tours on those albums. That is the model and always has been. He uses social media alot, Jackie doesn't and im pretty sure using social media made her health issues worse but unless you have the ability to empathize/have any respect for Jackie at all of course you are going to insist she use social media. What BS Jackie gets far less negative comments than anyone else. Besides that, she can turn the comments off. If Jackie thought so much of Joni Mitchell she would at least follow her instagram. The last person Jackie followed on her instagram was Sophia Rose's boyfriend. |
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Post by richard on May 15, 2022 20:49:20 GMT -5
We all know how Jackie would sell her art and I said Maddie does art also but it is for her friends.
Hailey Bieber is a friend of Maddie's it's the least Maddie could do to thank Hailey for introducing Maddie's Boy Friend Eddie Benjamin to Justin Bieber where they became good friend and now Eddie is opening for Justin Bieber's world tour. Justin Bieber started to become popular in 2010 the same time Jackie did. I remember Jackie's fans saying how fast he is going to fade away because of his young audience at the time the "old they will out grow him". Even laughed at his music video that made him popular. 2,738,478,012 views now. Even with out all the support Jackie got, and Justin didn't he has done very well. Jackie Evancho Youtube subscribers 313,000 Justin Bieber Youtube Subscribers 68,800,000 Jackie Evancho instagram followers 90,300 Justin Bieber instagram followers 235,000,000 Jackie Evancho Monthly Spotify listeners 186,665 Justin Bieber Monthly Spotify listeners 79,658,843 AS I said time and time again it is not that the OTTs like Sims is wrong it's the Magnitude they are wrong. Two other artist Justin pretty much started their careers is Madison Beer also a good friend of Maddie's. and Carly Rae Jepsen ( not sure why but Jackie follows Carly Rae but not Joni Mitchell )
Jackie at this stage doesn't seem to have any friends espacilly none that could help her out.
I doubt that Jackie picked Joni Mitchell to make a cover of, it was more likely pushed on her by her label.
That is why she has shown little interest in it.
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Post by donkey on May 15, 2022 22:48:42 GMT -5
We all know how Jackie would sell her art and I said Maddie does art also but it is for her friends.
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Hailey Bieber is a friend of Maddie's it's the least Maddie could do to thank Hailey for introducing Maddie's Boy Friend Eddie Benjamin to Justin Bieber where they became good friend and now Eddie is opening for Justin Bieber's world tour. Justin Bieber started to become popular in 2010 the same time Jackie did. I remember Jackie's fans saying how fast he is going to fade away because of his young audience at the time the "old they will out grow him". Even laughed at his music video that made him popular. 2,738,478,012 views now. Even with out all the support Jackie got, and Justin didn't he has done very well. Jackie Evancho Youtube subscribers 313,000 Justin Bieber Youtube Subscribers 68,800,000 Jackie Evancho instagram followers 90,300 Justin Bieber instagram followers 235,000,000 Jackie Evancho Monthly Spotify listeners 186,665 Justin Bieber Monthly Spotify listeners 79,658,843 AS I said time and time again it is not that the OTTs like Sims is wrong it's the Magnitude they are wrong. Two other artist Justin pretty much started their careers is Madison Beer also a good friend of Maddie's. and Carly Rae Jepsen ( not sure why but Jackie follows Carly Rae but not Joni Mitchell )
Jackie at this stage doesn't seem to have any friends espacilly none that could help her out.
I doubt that Jackie picked Joni Mitchell to make a cover of, it was more likely pushed on her by her label.
That is why she has shown little interest in it.
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Post by richard on May 15, 2022 23:10:28 GMT -5
I agree...I think it's highly likely that her label suggested and pushed the Joni Mitchell songs on Jackie. Not only the lack of interest Jackie has shown but even her new both side now video that is out and on her youtube channel, she must have it switched to private so that you have to search for it by name as you won't see it looking at her youtube channel. Which doesn't make since unless it is some type of rub against her label. \ |
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Post by eulenspiegel on May 16, 2022 5:54:51 GMT -5
I agree...I think it's highly likely that her label suggested and pushed the Joni Mitchell songs on Jackie. Not only the lack of interest Jackie has shown but even her new both side now video that is out and on her youtube channel, she must have it switched to private so that you have to search for it by name as you won't see it looking at her youtube channel. Which doesn't make since unless it is some type of rub against her label. \ No, it is auto generated by youtube...most of todays uploads are auto-generated. „Auto generated by YouTube" means the music video in question was placed via the YouTube robot by a Digital Audio Distributor such as CDBaby, TuneCore, Distrokid, etc.“ Why artists are not uploading on their own? It is a myth to me. Perhaps there will be a lame kitsch official video in the future....with JE making dramatic gestures, contortions...straddling through an empty street. |
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Post by amg1977 on May 16, 2022 6:10:47 GMT -5
No, it is auto generated by youtube...most of todays uploads are auto-generated. „Auto generated by YouTube" means the music video in question was placed via the YouTube robot by a Digital Audio Distributor such as CDBaby, TuneCore, Distrokid, etc.“ Why artists are not uploading on their own? It is a myth to me. Perhaps there will be a lame kitsch official video in the future....with JE making dramatic gestures, contortions...straddling through an empty street. Labels use middle men distributors. The Big Three set up VEVO for videos. I am betting every label has a stake in or contract with one of these distributors. Otherwise they would kill them for copyright violations. They always show up just at midnight when the track is released. You couldn't do that without label coordination. Artists signed to a label cannot upload their own music to their channel without label permission as the label technically owns it but of course they will give them permission. All of Grace's self-generated audio tracks end up on her site pretty quickly, so I am betting this is just a case of Team Jackie not having their act together. Are you surprised? |
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Post by amg1977 on May 16, 2022 7:17:49 GMT -5
Well, bring it back to anywhere near where it was at its height in the few years following AGT. As if its conceivable that one could be hit by lightning twice in the same spot. That happened in 2017 with Marc her Manager's help and concerts were sold out. During the Trump Era, she was on NBC Today, GMA (which she went back to sing Burn a few years later), CBS Sunday Morning, Fox and Friends, and even Good Morning Britain. She later did The View with Juliet. As well as Nightline. Not to mention she got her own tv special on TLC which btw M&L joked that they turned down Jackie singing for Putin. But who knows. It helped that she had a solid publicist in Kim Jakwerth. Never even during the height of the AGT fame would it have been possible to be on competing network morning shows. So Jackie and her Team played the "fame" game during 2017 and Jackie is one of the few who associated with Trump and came out unscathed. There is a problem in comparing her to those who are social media influencers when Rickky knows full well she isn't interested in being a social media influencer. She is interested in songwriting though (even released some in that same 2017 year) but the comparison to female singer songwriters when you think its BS that she has written songs doesn't make sense. Ill bite though and compare Jackie's success to Lana and Big Boobs Billie. I looked at their best selling albums in what they did in pure US sales only. Keep in mind Jackie had like 30,000 twitter followers at the time and maybe 100k followers on facebook. I was shocked to find that Jackie's OHN sold (1.2m) which is not that far behind Lana's biggest seller (her 2012 album). Big Boobs Billie's best selling album by the end of 2019 did about 600k in pure sales (wiki says 340 by mid year so it was difficult to find a pure sales figure that didnt include equivalent), which is half of what Jackie's best selling album did. I didnt factor in streaming because it wasnt a factor at the time of OHN and Jackie is not a streaming artist. Comparing Jackie to anyone who streams alot is nonsensical to begin with. Ive said this same thing for over a decade. To understand her career one has to look at Josh Groban but honestly this discussion is not about understanding her career, its about undermining it and belittling her career. Groban is not a songwriter, he sings covers. He is CC but he is not CC, he doesn't have a pop career but he has a pop career. He releases albums, performs songs from his album on tv and tours on those albums. That is the model and always has been. He uses social media alot, Jackie doesn't and im pretty sure using social media made her health issues worse but unless you have the ability to empathize/have any respect for Jackie at all of course you are going to insist she use social media. Jackie is going to promote an album of Joni Mitchell material, that will attract new fans. The only material she should be singing on youtube is from her new album. I see no reason why she wouldn't. So I still dont know what one means when they say her career needs reviving. Numerous artists' careers were on hold due to covid.
I think it is so quaint that Sims is speaking of album sales as if they were a thing anymore. The facts say differently:
CD sales peaked at 942.5 million. It has now stabilized around 50 million. Between piracy and the industry's response with mp3 purchases and streaming, there is a generation of people who have never purchased an album and certainly have never cared about "record stores." The vast majority of CDs purchased are probably through Amazon or WalMart - all the major record stores (Sam Goody, Tower, Camelot, etc.) have either gone belly up or are on their last legs. The only record stores remaining are independent ones specializing in vinyl (usually used) both for play and special edition collectibles. Vinyl is looking a lot more healthy:
Some of the vinyl revival is driven by nostalgia, some by audiophiles who insist it is the best medium (I will leave that determination to any audiophiles around here), and some is driven by collectors (20 years from now it might be a "thing" to have a CD copy of a famous album made in an era when such things were scarce). Simply put, music is increasingly seen as something that is a service rather than a tangible object. Why should I spend $15 each for an album when I can listen to an unlimited amount of music from any album by any artist in high quality for $20 a month - including downloading them into my phone to take on the road. As I keep pointing out, album sales are completely irrelevant. Even among those who will still purchase CDs, streaming also plays a role. A significant percentage of those who buy music also have a streaming service. They want to own music but enjoy the convenience of on demand streaming. What they do is use streaming to sample albums before purchasing and buy only the ones they really like. As the boomer generation dies out and Gen X reaches their middle age, the remaining audience for buying physical media will go with it.
So Jackie and her Team played the "fame" game during 2017 and Jackie is one of the few who associated with Trump and came out unscathed.
You make it sound as though Jackie had some great thing going after 2017. Reality says she got dropped by Sony in 2018 (she was signed to Portrait - subsidiary of Columbia which in turn is a subsidiary of Sony) and that means she no longer automatically gets her videos distributed through VEVO. The latter cuts down by a significant percentage how much YouTube pays her for a streamed video. You will notice that all of Jackie's official music videos prior to The Debut have the VEVO symbol at the bottom left or bottom right. VEVO is jointly owned by the "Big Three."
The facts are that Jackie's career started to downturn within a year of the inauguration. Her concerts tickets were not selling as they once did, her music was neither selling nor streaming in large numbers, and she was dropped from her major label deal. All of this happened BEFORE Covid. Now I don't believe the Trump inauguration had anything to do with it. She was a child phenom and a lot of her appeal was from AGT. In the intervening years, she never veered from appealing to her AGT past. They were milking the success of that without a long term strategy and then it happened: Jackie grew up.
There is a problem in comparing her to those who are social media influencers when Rickky knows full well she isn't interested in being a social media influencer.
I would tend to believe what Jackie states about her interests over what you state about her interests. After TMS, she gave an interview and talked about empire building with clothing lines, etc. Well, there are generally only two ways such things are launched: through a reality TV show or via social media. Reality TV isn't going to happen (GUE didn't get picked up), so if she wants an empire .... . Honestly, I don't know what she really thinks of social media and neither do you. I am sure when she is in a bad place emotionally, it is the last thing she wants to be concerned about at the moment. But if she recovers, it may be a different story. It might help her to take Grace's attitude towards it as she said she doesn't like it but it's part of her job. That is, if Jackie really wants an empire, it's part of the job. If Jackie wants to expand her audience, it's part of the job. I worked from the time I was 16 until age 66 and there were lots of aspects of jobs I had that I didn't like. But they were part of the job...
She is interested in songwriting though (even released some in that same 2017 year) but the comparison to female singer songwriters when you think its BS that she has written songs doesn't make sense.
First of all, the comments Richard may have made as with the comments I and others have made about this issue is not an attack on Jackie. Jackie never claimed this about herself - Lisa claimed it about her. So far as we know, Jackie has been strictly a co-lyricist. There is no information or indication that she co-wrote the music and information to the contrary for the originals on Two Hearts. As far as we know, she has never written an entire song on her own but only with professional songwriters.
There is a general rule that if an artist has never released a song written by themselves, there is a reason. Sure there may be cases of stubborn executives, but given so many artists write their own songs, why would they care? In particular, Columbia is known for encouraging artists who are writing songs and even offering all kinds of support in doing so. They allowed Jackie to have a pop EP along with the CC LP that was co-written by her. Why not allow her to use these "amazing songs"? Why would they not allow Jackie to use songs written entirely by her at the same time they were allowing Grace to do so? Now there is nothing wrong with collaborating and it often helps. Both Billie Eilish and her brother Finneas have written and recorded songs written alone and together, However, with a few exceptions, the songs they write together are better. Grace often collaborated with Ido Zmishlany and others. There were a few songs she wrote while on AGT and changed a few things in them at the suggestion of Autumn Rowe. But we know both Grace and Billie can write songs on their own. In fact, they have done it on Instagram live with their fans. If the songs Lisa said exist actually do exist, I would like to hear them and if they are amazing I think Jackie should record them. However, I don't see any evidence of their existence.
This is not really a bad thing. I have not seen Ariana Grande do that either and it hasn't hurt her one bit. Some people are naturals at singing but not songwriting. For others, it is the reverse. That is why some people are professional songwriters. If Jackie could do this, there would have been nothing stopping her from singing the songs and uploading them to YouTube. Honestly, wouldn't you like to hear Jackie sing some amazing song she wrote on her own? I thought you were a fan.
Ill bite though and compare Jackie's success to Lana and Big Boobs Billie.
You're going to compare Jackie's success to that of Billie Eilish? You can't be serious. I guess denial ain't just some river in Egypt.
I looked at their best selling albums in what they did in pure US sales only. Keep in mind Jackie had like 30,000 twitter followers at the time and maybe 100k followers on facebook. I was shocked to find that Jackie's OHN sold (1.2m) which is not that far behind Lana's biggest seller (her 2012 album). Big Boobs Billie's best selling album by the end of 2019 did about 600k in pure sales (wiki says 340 by mid year so it was difficult to find a pure sales figure that didnt include equivalent), which is half of what Jackie's best selling album did. I didnt factor in streaming because it wasnt a factor at the time of OHN and Jackie is not a streaming artist. Comparing Jackie to anyone who streams alot is nonsensical to begin with.
Ive said this same thing for over a decade. To understand her career one has to look at Josh Groban...
This just proves you are living in a fantasy world. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NON-STREAMING ARTIST. There may be a small group of aging geezers hanging on to the pre-computerized world just like my grandfather used to argue that television was a fad and I'm sure his father did the same for radio. The facts are that CD sales are at 5% of where they were at the beginning of the millennium. That applies to CC artists too.
Since you brought it up, let's look at Josh Groban. His streaming totals are damn good!! He's had tracks stream into the tens of millions. Like everyone else, his album sales tanked in the last five years but his stuff is now streamed in large numbers. Not Taylor Swift numbers, but very healthy numbers. His two albums since then have had every track stream in the miliions and even in the tens of millions. So this argument you keep making that CC artists are exempt from the CD market collapsing is nonsense. Face the fact that your argument simply does not jibe with reality. And all the others you have listed as "mainstream" CC from Boceilli to Pavarotti to Brightman are also streaming healthy numbers. None of them seem to have this "their fans don't stream" problem. Only Jackie's fans seem to suffer from this strange disease.
In the real world, Billie Eilish has had three albums released. The first album Don't Smile at Me is certified platinum, the second album When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go is certified 4X platinum, and the third album Happier Than Ever is probably in the process of being certified. Judging from the streams (the sixteen tracks range from 39 million to 620 million on Spotify alone), the album will likely be platinum. Add to that the fact that she is selling out sports arenas with capacities ranging from 15,000-50,000 at tickets that range from $50-$200. Also, Apple paid Billie $25 million dollars to do a documentary on her. If you want to know of the relative star status of Billie the last few years vs. Jackie - even at Jackie's peak - just look at Google trends.
Billie is completely unknown until the end of 2015 and passes Jackie by the end of 2017. Now remember Billie was not a major star until 2019 so it appears Jackie had fallen a bit. But if you look at Billie's totals from the end of 2018 onward, there is no doubt that she dwarfs Jackie's appeal even at its peak. It is one thing to say you don't like her music - that is an opinion and you and everyone else are entitled to their own opinions - but they are not entitled to their own facts. Anyone breathing in the last three years has not been able to escape the mention of Billie Eilish. She is now a superstar whose success is in the stratosphere occupied by Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, and Adele among female singers. Now, I think it is an open question as to whether she can maintain much of that popularity in the long run but to try to claim Jackie's career has attained that level of success in the past much less at the present is absurd.
When Jackie was suggested in comments as Miss Kitty on TMS videos, the big question was "Who the hell is Jackie Evancho?" No one would have been asking "Who the hell is Billie Eilish?" by that point.
I will handle the comparisons to Lana in another post since it is far more interesting than the silliness of comparing Jackie to Billie. I believe a comparison to Lana gives Jackie a roadmap to a future. |
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on May 16, 2022 9:13:47 GMT -5
I agree...I think it's highly likely that her label suggested and pushed the Joni Mitchell songs on Jackie. Not only the lack of interest Jackie has shown but even her new both side now video that is out and on her youtube channel, she must have it switched to private so that you have to search for it by name as you won't see it looking at her youtube channel. Which doesn't make since unless it is some type of rub against her label. \ A search for "Jackie Evancho" on Youtube will generate a hit on the video. You need to scroll down a bit to find the vid. It appears that the video has been switched over from the "Jackie Evancho - Topic" channel to her own channel and you're right, the video can't be found if just searching her own channel. More weirdness in Jackie world and another indication that this album will go nowhere fast |
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Post by amg1977 on May 16, 2022 10:27:20 GMT -5
A search for "Jackie Evancho" on Youtube will generate a hit on the video. You need to scroll down a bit to find the vid. It appears that the video has been switched over from the "Jackie Evancho - Topic" channel to her own channel and you're right, the video can't be found if just searching her own channel. More weirdness in Jackie world and another indication that this album will go nowhere fast
What I think might be happening is that the distributor of the audio (in Jackie's case Orchard) has an agreement with the label to automatically upload the audio of the song along with an identifying image on the release date. They may have x number of days where they have control of this video before it is transferred back to the label. As YouTube now has an audio streaming service similar to Spotify, this video may be used for both audio and video streaming. The distributor gets a cut of those days under its control as their payment. For major label artists, this is done by VEVO.
For example, with Grace Vanderwaal, I have seen these computer generated videos appear with the correct image at exactly midnight under "Grace Vanderwaal - Topic" and remain there for a time. Then the same file with the VEVO tag appears on the Grace Vanderwaal VEVO page. Videos on the VEVO page are automatically mirrored to Grace's own page.
It is still up to the artist to make the connection and place it on their site. Team Jackie has not done so yet as it still does not appear on the "/video" page despite it now being on their account. For those with major labels (including when Jackie was with Sony), VEVO takes care of such details and the artist doesn't have to worry about it.
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Post by richard on May 16, 2022 20:19:01 GMT -5
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