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Post by Salzburg on Apr 28, 2022 18:22:29 GMT -5
Correction: In 2003, Norah Jones won eight Grammy awards.
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Post by Stron on Apr 28, 2022 21:31:22 GMT -5
How does anyone even find out about Jackie if they aren't already a fan? The only way I've ever known when she's up to something is because I went looking for it, or as of her last album, I come here. If I'm just your average gal who watches a little TV at night, and I have no previous algorithmic connections to her world that would cause social-media recommendations, I don't think she would ever blip on my radar. Her TV appearances seem to be morning network shows, and I don't watch those. She's never on at night aside from a couple of short-duration AGT appearances and a quick Masked Singer reveal, neither of which I watch. She never comes up on my music streaming apps either.
Oh there's that inauguration thing I guess – that's probably where the name would twig for someone who hasn't seen any of the above examples – but even that's not a guarantee. Has she been on any late-night shows since she was little? What has to happen for an artist to catch someone's attention in the way that other artists or actors do? I hear about people all the time that I've never heard of, so is that because they have more money to spend on promotion?
One pop-psyche explanation could be a late-onset fear of success. It's not an actual fear, but more self-limiting behavior to avoid any number of things that might require meeting someone else's expectations, especially if you're the one that created them in the first place. Starting something and not finishing it is a classic example. Not hiring new staff for a growing business because you don't want to deal with the paperwork is another. There are tons of reasons for not putting yourself out there. Of course there is also general lack of ambition, or disinterest, or burn-out.
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Post by richard on Apr 28, 2022 22:01:39 GMT -5
Tate McRae sure doesn't have the same problem as above, Her Australian tour tickets went on sale Today and the tour was immediately sold out. Tate is always giving her fans what they want and has a close relationship with them.
Olivia Rodrigo has the same type of relationship with her fan base. They both make the audience fill like they are part of the show. Here she is in NYC I wonder if Jackie went.
Also note in the 6 hrs since Olivia posted that instagram she got 1.7 million likes so she made her site alone a big promotional tool, but to do that she had to keep posting instagrams keep their attention.
http://instagr.am/p/Cc6IZ4NruLF Attachments:
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Post by eulenspiegel on Apr 28, 2022 22:33:33 GMT -5
How does anyone even find out about Jackie if they aren't already a fan? The only way I've ever known when she's up to something is because I went looking for it, or as of her last album, I come here. If I'm just your average gal who watches a little TV at night, and I have no previous algorithmic connections to her world that would cause social-media recommendations, I don't think she would ever blip on my radar. Her TV appearances seem to be morning network shows, and I don't watch those. She's never on at night aside from a couple of short-duration AGT appearances and a quick Masked Singer reveal, neither of which I watch. She never comes up on my music streaming apps either. Oh there's that inauguration thing I guess – that's probably where the name would twig for someone who hasn't seen any of the above examples – but even that's not a guarantee. Has she been on any late-night shows since she was little? What has to happen for an artist to catch someone's attention in the way that other artists or actors do? I hear about people all the time that I've never heard of, so is that because they have more money to spend on promotion? One pop-psyche explanation could be a late-onset fear of success. It's not an actual fear, but more self-limiting behavior to avoid any number of things that might require meeting someone else's expectations, especially if you're the one that created them in the first place. Starting something and not finishing it is a classic example. Not hiring new staff for a growing business because you don't want to deal with the paperwork is another. There are tons of reasons for not putting yourself out there. Of course there is also general lack of ambition, or disinterest, or burn-out. No chance... until today I never heard of Sofia Carlson...but she has 15 million young followers on insta..no one of this teen girls is interested in the politicians or the real world class musicians ...even Ted Deutch and Emily Bear realize this as they grin.. Jackie Evancho‘s fan base will be mostly dead in a few years...as long as she does not create a new one... She is totally dependent on the work of others...as she never in invested in real education, in music... Emily Bear or en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autumn_Rowe don‘t need 15 million followers...it helps...but in the end...they have success without it...   but Jackie Evancho needs followers....same as the Zieglers...without their followers they would be not relevant...social media is everything |
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Post by eulenspiegel on Apr 28, 2022 22:44:58 GMT -5
richard I know your typical reaction.. yes the Zieglers have a trillion times more followers than Emily Bear...and perhaps more money in the moment but without Sia, without their young followers they would be nobodys...Steven Spielberg would not even greet Maddie Ziegler...he only used her for promo but not because of talent...in the end West Side Story failed...even Maddie Ziegler could no save it... same the Damelios...
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Post by richard on Apr 28, 2022 22:50:18 GMT -5
No chance... until today I never heard of Sofia Carlson...but she has 15 million young followers on insta..no one of this teen girls is interested in the politicians or the real world class musicians ...even Ted Deutch and Emily Bear realize this as they grin.. Jackie Evancho‘s fan base will be mostly dead in a few years...as long as she does not create a new one... She is totally dependent on the work of others...as she never in invested in real education, in music... Emily Bear or en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autumn_Rowe don‘t need 15 million followers...it helps...but in the end...they have success without it... Keep telling yourself Emily Bear doesn't need social media, Emily got her Grammy through TikTok, With out it she wold be less known than she is now. Emily is always on social media. As of yet Emily has not been able to turn her success into a viable career as many has. She is not getting endorsements and Netflix nor anyone else has picked her up. |
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Post by eulenspiegel on Apr 29, 2022 1:41:57 GMT -5
richardEmily Bear already achieved far more years ago than all the Zieglers, D‘Amelios will ever ... Not everything is about money, fame...btw. Emily Bear already scored her first Netflix feature - release date? Mabye in 10 / 20 years the Zieglers, D‘Amelios will be the next Olson twins - very rich . but in the end no one really cares.... MZ teen fans already get bored ..no real growth on insta- and yes she had ads endorsements ...but if you compare the likes of these posts with other posts ..more and more of her fans are getting old/mature...no real relevant posts for years - she is a wealthy „Schaufensterpuppe“. She totally lacks real charisma.
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Post by richard on Apr 29, 2022 8:56:39 GMT -5
richard I know your typical reaction.. yes the Zieglers have a trillion times more followers than Emily Bear...and perhaps more money in the moment but without Sia, without their young followers they would be nobodys...Steven Spielberg would not even greet Maddie Ziegler...he only used her for promo but not because of talent...in the end West Side Story failed...even Maddie Ziegler could no save it... same the Damelios... Maddie only had a small part in West Side Story yet she got all the exposure for representing them at the Oscars. And all the pre Oscar shows.
The star of West Side Story wasn't invited until there was some backlash. Maddie had a lot of endorsements going to the Oscars.
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Post by donkey on Apr 29, 2022 11:24:13 GMT -5
richard I know your typical reaction.. yes the Zieglers have a trillion times more followers than Emily Bear...and perhaps more money in the moment but without Sia, without their young followers they would be nobodys...Steven Spielberg would not even greet Maddie Ziegler...he only used her for promo but not because of talent...in the end West Side Story failed...even Maddie Ziegler could no save it... same the Damelios... Maddie only had a small part in West Side Story yet she got all the exposure for representing them at the Oscars. And all the pre Oscar shows.
The star of West Side Story wasn't invited until there was some backlash. Maddie had a lot of endorsements going to the Oscars.
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Post by Socal Fan on Apr 29, 2022 11:34:16 GMT -5
Not everything is about money, fame...btw. You are mistaken. Money and fame may not matter to you but in showbiz, nothing else matters. |
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Post by amg1977 on Apr 29, 2022 12:22:41 GMT -5
No chance... until today I never heard of Sofia Carlson...but she has 15 million young followers on insta..no one of this teen girls is interested in the politicians or the real world class musicians ...even Ted Deutch and Emily Bear realize this as they grin.. Jackie Evancho‘s fan base will be mostly dead in a few years...as long as she does not create a new one... She is totally dependent on the work of others...as she never in invested in real education, in music... Emily Bear or en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autumn_Rowe don‘t need 15 million followers...it helps...but in the end...they have success without it... but Jackie Evancho needs followers....same as the Zieglers...without their followers they would be not relevant...social media is everything Looks like Jackie isn't the only one with OTTs.  You always seem to act as though Emily were somehow levitating above Jackie and others discussed here but that is not the case. Sure, you haven't heard of Sofia Carson before - neither had I. But, then again, I might never have heard of Emily had I not followed this site. I recalled seeing her on Ellen, but I doubt I would have remembered her name if I was not a regular here. She simply would have traveled under the radar for me. Even with the relative success of Bridgerton, she is not well known by the public. No one usually pays attention to the Best Musical Grammy who isn't already a big fan of musicals and that is a relatively small audience. This is not an knock on her - she did a great job and deserves her success but let's not pretend she is a household name or some sort of superstar. Well, upon looking it up, it turns out Sofia Carson is a singer and actress who starred in a series of films for a very successful Disney franchise called The Descendants. The songs that were streamed from the films streamed very well - all of them streaming multiple times as much as anything Emily Bear has released (including the songs om Bridgerton). She then released a solo album that did not do as well so it is pretty clear, at least so far, that her fanbase had more to do with the Disney franchise than with Ms. Carson. However, her career up to that point was pretty much identical to that of Olivia Rodrigo prior to last year as her success was also tied to Disney franchises. Thus one cannot assume success or failure until they get out on their own. I actually commented on Olivia months before her breakout (see here) and openly wondered if she would still have success apart from High School Musical. I had no real inking she would have the success she later achieved but I had enough sense to wait and see. In Carson's case, it really is just Disney; but suppose you had come across Olivia Rodrigo a year ago? Sure, you could argue that Emily could grin at Sofia, but I think she is far more charitable than you. After all, she spent a few years trying to establish herself as a pop singer/songwriter with very limited success. Given the overwhelming success of Billie EIlish and Olivia Rodrigo the last few years, I could argue they could look at Emily's efforts as a pop singer/songwriter and grin. However, people who have worked hard and understand how much effort and luck goes into such success are far more understanding than some of their overzealous fans. I know your typical reaction.. yes the Zieglers have a trillion times more followers than Emily Bear...and perhaps more money in the moment but without Sia, without their young followers they would be nobodys...Steven Spielberg would not even greet Maddie Ziegler...he only used her for promo but not because of talent...in the end West Side Story failed...even Maddie Ziegler could no save it... same the Damelios... First of all, the Ziegler's gained fame from a TV show long before Sia. Certainly Sia helped Maddie gain continued success after they left the show, but they obviously already had quite a following or they would not have left in the first place. Even if you want to say Maddie owes a large part of her success to Sia, well Emily similarly owes a large part of her success to Ellen. The way most people became aware of Emily was from her appearances on Ellen and the videos of those appearances. Every star can point to something as their "big break." Two unknown singer songwriters named Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks were offered spots by Mick Fleetwood in Fleetwood Mac. 20th Century Fox wanted the rights to film The Wizard of Oz for Shirley Temple but was outbid by MGM who cast a relatively unknown Judy Garland. So what? The history of the entertainment industry is full of stuff like this. It's one thing to get a break and another to take advantage of it.
As for West Side Story, the box office failure was post-COVID realities more than anything else. Critically, it was a tremendous success and those who saw it rated it highly. The only films that make box office anymore are action film blockbusters - particularly superhero films. Maddie had a bit part as a dancer and a total of one line - probably to justify using her name. I don't know if she can act or not but she can dance and that's all she was really called upon to do in the film. I do find it odd, however, that you normally claim artistic success is more important than commercial success but make an exception for this one instance.  Emily Bear already achieved far more years ago than all the Zieglers, D‘Amelios will ever ... Not everything is about money, fame...btw. Emily Bear already scored her first Netflix feature - release date? Mabye in 10 / 20 years the Zieglers, D‘Amelios will be the next Olson twins - very rich . but in the end no one really cares.... MZ teen fans already get bored ..no real growth on insta- and yes she had ads endorsements ...but if you compare the likes of these posts with other posts ..more and more of her fans are getting old/mature...no real relevant posts for years - she is a wealthy „Schaufensterpuppe“. She totally lacks real charisma.
So Emily got a job with Netfix? Would that be the same Netflix that lost 25% of its subscribers last quarter, is geting its head handed to it by Disney+ and Amazon Prime TV, and has begun layoffs? That one?
The Olsen Twins are an interesting story to bring up as, unlike Emily with music and Maddie with dance, they have no discernible talent for the entertainment industry. They were incredibly cute kids and their management team started a label of kids clothes that made them hundreds of millions of dollars each. As they reached their teens, they started getting active in their company and became very interested in fashion. Turns out they had a definite taste for fashion. They became known for being fashion icons, began designing clothing for adult women, now own multiple labels of expensive fashion lines (Saville Row, Elisabeth and James, etc.), and are billionaires. So, considering how Maddie has been getting very much into fashion, your calling her another Olsen Twins is actually very much a compliment as their success in fashion is pretty impressive. I'm sure Maddie would love to be just like them.
I never understand the "my girl's hot, your girl's diddly squat" mentality of OTTs. I like listening to Jackie, Grace, Billie, Emily, Angelina and others while recognizing each has their strengths and weaknesses.
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Post by Disappointed on Apr 29, 2022 13:25:15 GMT -5
Maddie only had a small part in West Side Story yet she got all the exposure for representing them at the Oscars. And all the pre Oscar shows.
The star of West Side Story wasn't invited until there was some backlash. Maddie had a lot of endorsements going to the Oscars.
Wasn't Jackie invited to the Oscars too? Yes, you're right, she was! But at the last minute, they cancelled the Best Flash In The Pan From 12 Years Ago category. |
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Post by Rightwing Conspiracy Theorist on Apr 29, 2022 14:12:51 GMT -5
Not everything is about money, fame...btw. You are mistaken. Money and fame may not matter to you but in showbiz, nothing else matters. That might be particularly true in the 24 hour news cycle we are in, but as eulenspiegel alludes to, money and fame doesn't necessarily equal talent. There are many, many modern musicians with hardly any talent, but they gain money and fame because corporations choose what kind of music is promoted and pushed on the public. The modern music industry appears to be almost an entirely inorganic ecosystem. |
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Post by richard on Apr 29, 2022 14:36:15 GMT -5
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Post by Salzburg on Apr 29, 2022 15:05:10 GMT -5
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You always seem to act as though Emily were somehow levitating above Jackie and others discussed here but that is not the case. 