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Post by Guest 4 on Sept 23, 2023 19:35:11 GMT -5
I was originally confused by how LITV works. It says it is 3 days and 2 nights of concerts, fine foods, wine, and luxury accommodations. And you can't buy a ticket, it is invitation only. So who is paying for all this? There is a list of sponsors but they don't seem to be the kind of deep pocket companies that can afford to ante up the big bucks for an expensive event like this. In particular, are Jackie (and the other musicians) being paid to perform or do they pay to perform? I'm now quite sure that Jackie (and/or her label) are paying. If you read the quote from Guest 4 above, it's clear that this is a promotional gig that the labels/musicians/managers are paying for in order to display their "new music releases" in front of "music supervisors, radio programmers, DSP curators" (i.e. the people who decide what music to stream). That's why fans can't buy tickets, fans are not the target audience that Jackie/labels are paying to reach. In other words, this is a gig that Jackie/MP paid for to get the attention of streaming platforms. It sounds like a trade show, where there are vendors pitching products to the dealers and distributors. The "booths" would be the stages, and the booth bunnies are the acts presenting the product. I'm stretching the analogy, but actually I wouldn't be surprised to see actual booths there, like at the NAMM event (music tech show in Anaheim). These events wouldn't happen if they didn't result in product orders. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 23, 2023 19:49:37 GMT -5
It sounds like a trade show, where there are vendors pitching products to the dealers and distributors. ... These events wouldn't happen if they didn't result in product orders. There's no question that trade shows are profitable in general or nobody would attend. Whether it is profitable for Jackie specifically we will see in her streaming numbers in the future. |
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Post by BOGC on Sept 23, 2023 20:21:38 GMT -5
She's doing all sorts of things she hasn't done much or at all before. That's close to the free advice that gets endlessly dished out here, so consistency would call for at least appreciating the effort.
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Post by richard on Sept 23, 2023 21:14:50 GMT -5
That sounds like a worthwhile investment. Like every other investment, it depends on how much you paid and how much you got out of it at the end. Most of the artist mentioned are not that well known, Jackie should be well above this phase in her career.
She should be at a point that they could just set up a one on one meeting.
This is how a lot of deals are made.
But we know that can never happen with Jackie because her only dinner date seem to be with Daddy.
I wonder what Maddie said to Olivia to get that response and who is paying for lunch.
Actually this is the 3rd event like this that Jackie has went to in the last year.
Notice Jackie has not mentioned anything about this, This is her looking for work hopefully for her new direction.
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 23, 2023 22:35:26 GMT -5
I corrected you: You’re right Donk, just another face in the crowd. Unfortunately we all know how her last wine events turned out. (msims note: yeah she was paid!) Agreed, she was paid. But did City Winery pay her more or less than what Spotify is paying her for BME? Which, as of tonight, is a grand total of $41.10 (13.7K streams x $0.003 per stream). I hope she doesn't spend it all in one place. |
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Post by richard on Sept 23, 2023 23:26:57 GMT -5
I corrected you: You’re right Donk, just another face in the crowd. Unfortunately we all know how her last wine events turned out. (msims note: yeah she was paid!) Agreed, she was paid. But did City Winery pay her more or less than what Spotify is paying her for BME? Which, as of tonight, is a grand total of $41.10 (13.7K streams x $0.003 per stream). I hope she doesn't spend it all in one place. Tate McRae (one of those darn dancing moppets) new song "Greedy" came out 9 days ago: Youtube 2,978,990 views Premiered Sep 15, 2023. Spotify "Greedy" 29,527,266 streams (X .003 = $88,581.80 ). Plus it seems her tour is going great. Plus Tate has good friends supporting her music.
So sad that Jackie always seems so alone in what ever she does. While all other young celebrities have so much peer support. I don't even like to look at Mike for how Jackie was/is treated.
As I said before it has to be a deliberate attempt over the years to keep Jackie from meeting other celebrities and possibly making friends.
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 24, 2023 0:24:07 GMT -5
When you created this forum, was it your intention to give space to those who encourage/enable those who are anti-Jackie to stalk Jackie and her family? Caz has encouraged/enabled "inside scoop" who doxxed personal info about the E's family location. Rickky (most of this forum enables his gibberish) has also posted the location of her NYC apartment. That to me is far more concerning than someone who wants to (allegedly) find or run into Jackie in a public space nowhere near her house or where she lives. I created this forum to give posters a chance to express themselves on Jackie and showbiz. If you don't like what posters are posting, bring it up with them, not me. I am responsible only for what I post, not anybody else's posts. |
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 24, 2023 6:41:01 GMT -5
I don't think its too exiting...looks like she will just be one name in a whole pile of names performing...not exactly a place for her to stand out. It is a common mistake on this forum to assume Jackie needs to "stand out" - that she should avoid "sounding like everyone else." This is dead wrong. At this early stage of Jackie's transformation, she doesn't need to stand out as much as she needs to fit in. Appearing in a festival with "serious artists" gives her street cred. It helps carve out a niche for her. Once she is established within her chosen genre, she can stretch herself musically, experiment, etc., as that is part of the genre. But for now, she just needs to have fans of that genre accept her as legit. |
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 24, 2023 6:56:13 GMT -5
Appearing in a festival with "serious artists" gives her street cred. It helps carve out a niche for her. Once she is established within her chosen genre, she can stretch herself musically, experiment, etc., as that is part of the genre. But for now, she just needs to have fans of that genre accept her as legit. But it's not a festival and no fans are in attendance. It is, as far as I can tell, an artist/label funded junket for invited guests from streaming related companies where artists pay to market themselves to these guests. I fully support Jackie promoting herself. But this is a self-paid promotion, not a real gig. |
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Post by amg1977 on Sept 24, 2023 7:24:21 GMT -5
Appearing in a festival with "serious artists" gives her street cred. It helps carve out a niche for her. Once she is established within her chosen genre, she can stretch herself musically, experiment, etc., as that is part of the genre. But for now, she just needs to have fans of that genre accept her as legit. But it's not a festival and no fans are in attendance. It is, as far as I can tell, an artist/label funded junket for invited guests from streaming related companies where artists pay to market themselves to these guests. The next question then is to whom are these artists being marketed? It's cerrainly not record wholesalers and retailers since they don't really exist any longer. Is it concert venues? Streaming services? Industry publications? Film & TV producers? If so, all those would be a worthwhile investment of time. The one area where Jackie's team had failed miserably in the past was in reaching out to industry people who could help her career. I am curious to see who attends this event. |
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Post by colt46 on Sept 24, 2023 7:49:42 GMT -5
Jackie’s so called team had no experience in how things work In showbiz, should have gotten professional help, I believe Jackie missed a lot of opportunities right after she was on AGT 2010! That was her hot 🥵 zone and in my opinion missed out on a lot of opportunities! If she had true professional management she could have kept her brand alive over the years and more would know who she is now and say like they did on the TMS when she was unmasked, who is that?I also think as the weeks went by on that show more would have guessed correctly who she was!
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 24, 2023 7:54:05 GMT -5
The next question then is to whom are these artists being marketed? It's cerrainly not record wholesalers and retailers since they don't really exist any longer. Is it concert venues? Streaming services? Industry publications? Film & TV producers? The link that msims posted gives a good indication: www.thechristianbeat.org/for-king-country-and-sarah-reeves-featured-at-live-in-the-vineyard-2023/
The 3-day event brings together music supervisors, radio programmers, DSP curators, label executives, VIPs, corporate hospitality groups, and more from around the countryStreaming-related people feature very prominently (radio programmers, DSP curators) and so do Film & TV producers (music supervisors). |
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 24, 2023 8:39:00 GMT -5
Im sure amg will be impressed:  As I have said, this is not a real gig, this is a self-paid promotion. Amg1977 can speak for himself. For myself, I am very much a "show me the money" kind of guy. There is a reason why showbiz is called showbiz - it's all about the money. Taylor Swift is the most powerful person in the music business because she is the richest. And in the music business today, what brings in the money is tickets sales and streams and that is what impresses me. It is the fans who stream and buy tickets. Not the artists or the labels, managers and playlist makers. Fan engagement is critical and that is Jackie's biggest weakness. COT failed because it did not sell sufficient streams and tickets. So far, BME is not a success but it is still too early to say. I'll be impressed when Jackie's streams and ticket sales materialize. |
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Post by colt46 on Sept 24, 2023 8:54:24 GMT -5
It doesn’t take much to impress msims, anything that shows something about Jackie in the media he’s doing cartwheels 🤸♂️! It going to take a lot more than what msims just posted to be a true cause and effect for Jackie!
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Post by Socal Fan on Sept 24, 2023 9:05:41 GMT -5
It doesn’t take much to impress msims, anything that shows something about Jackie in the media he’s doing cartwheels 🤸♂️! It going to take a lot more than what msims just posted to be a true cause and effect for Jackie! Matt did a good thing in posting about the event and we thank him for it. Even though it is not a real gig, his post (1) keeps us informed of Jackie's activities, (2) shows us that Jackie is serious about her new direction and (3) shows Jackie doing something she has never done before. Thanks, Matt! |
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