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Post by msims on Jan 5, 2024 22:07:08 GMT -5
Mike shut down the JME forum around late September 2013. Why did he kill the forum? Was it to send OTTs packing, or was it to squelch critical comments? I felt it was the latter. Even ten years ago people were pointing to ruts in the road ahead. There were some interesting and constructive comments made, but anyone who made them would be covered in vitriol by venom-spitting front-row fogeys. Wasn't it Lisa that shut down that forum? If I remember correctly, she was PO'd that a fan was taking photos of Jackie and the family at a football game. She was also getting mad about the chatroom feature embedded into the forum website. No and that discussion with you and donkey was entirely off topic and should have been moved to the Off topic section. Forums are not there because you desire attention. Also that forum was shut down over arguments about the LGBT push made by Lisa, Lisa got fed up and she prior modded a friend of hers who shouldn't have been modded. When Mike was running it along with a family friend of his, it was better.
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Post by msims on Jan 5, 2024 22:10:22 GMT -5
I didn't realize I was triggered, or that was positive news. Thanks so much for cluing me in. A bit sad when the most positive news in a 24 year old woman's life is standing around with daddy and getting hit in the head with a swinging object. If she were 12, maybe. But it is what it is, I guess. I know something sadder...you being triggered over the slightest positive news the few times it does show up here and how you fall all over yourself everytime to try and minimize it or put a negative spin on it asap. It's usually pretty minor good news as it is...it doesn't need your help. But you just can't help yourself. It's a lot like kickng a dead horse. lol Think about it...little Jackie, a very sweet person who wouldn't hurt a fly, who has no social life to speak of, multiple mental illnesses, and a career that is on life support...and you still feel the need to hang here and negate the slightest positive news about her the moment it pops up...the few times it does pop up. Now THAT is sad. Such an idiotic version of things. She does have a social life/posts videos on instagram where you send her kiss emojis, a career (30 grand a concert or two, isn't bad), and what mental illnesses are you referring to? She is not exactly the most open book/shes slightly cryptic like her Mother, it would take her doing a extended podcast or an interview with a Doctor or someone to get her into specifics otherwise you are just putting words in her mouth and head, gaslighting as usual.
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Post by msims on Jan 5, 2024 22:11:55 GMT -5
Besides, bad girl parts are usually more memorable Agreed, bad girls and boys are much more interesting than good girls and boys. In fact, this may be one reason why Jackie struggles to get social media followers - many more people are more interested in bad girls than perfect granddaughters. Probably because they want to see the trainwreck in the bad case of bad girls and the heroin overdose selfie or in Kim's case that huge booty.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 22:12:57 GMT -5
Wasn't it Lisa that shut down that forum? If I remember correctly, she was PO'd that a fan was taking photos of Jackie and the family at a football game. She was also getting mad about the chatroom feature embedded into the forum website. No and that discussion with you and donkey was entirely off topic and should have been moved to the Off topic section. Forums are not there because you desire attention. Also that forum was shut down over arguments about the LGBT push made by Lisa, Lisa got fed up and she prior modded a friend of hers who shouldn't have been modded. When Mike was running it along with a family friend of his, it was better. Have you been promoted to a moderator in the forum, superfan? Gee, we weren't notified. Please keep posting on this topic because your responses satisfy my never-ending desire for attention, your highness
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 22:19:09 GMT -5
Wasn't it Lisa that shut down that forum? If I remember correctly, she was PO'd that a fan was taking photos of Jackie and the family at a football game. She was also getting mad about the chatroom feature embedded into the forum website. No and that discussion with you and donkey was entirely off topic and should have been moved to the Off topic section. Forums are not there because you desire attention. Also that forum was shut down over arguments about the LGBT push made by Lisa, Lisa got fed up and she prior modded a friend of hers who shouldn't have been modded. When Mike was running it along with a family friend of his, it was better. Also, I forgot that the old forum topic brings up bad memories for you, Sims. Your sick mushy gushy posts started back in the old forums leading Lisa to get so sick of you she had to boot you. You were the one desperately seeking attention from Team E ad nauseum. It was celebration day for the remaining fans when you finally got kicked out.
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Post by donkey on Jan 5, 2024 22:54:42 GMT -5
No and that discussion with you and donkey was entirely off topic and should have been moved to the Off topic section. Forums are not there because you desire attention. Also that forum was shut down over arguments about the LGBT push made by Lisa, Lisa got fed up and she prior modded a friend of hers who shouldn't have been modded. When Mike was running it along with a family friend of his, it was better. Also, I forgot that the old forum topic brings up bad memories for you, Sims. Your sick mushy gushy posts started back in the old forums leading Lisa to get so sick of you she had to boot you. You were the one desperately seeking attention from Team E ad nauseum. It was celebration day for the remaining fans when you finally got kicked out.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jan 5, 2024 23:35:14 GMT -5
But what some still dont seem to realize is that Jackie IS a good girl. She's certainly not a "bad" girl. It's who she is...its her nature. Sure she has wanted to shed the "everybody's granddaughter" image, but she a conservative, "good girl". Face it. But does Jackie want to be a "good girl"? Her mental illness and her extreme introversion force her to shun others and be with her father all the time. Perhaps she would love to be a "bad girl" but that is impossible when she is chained to her father and prevented from interacting with others. When she wrote about being a perfectionist in Get Out of My Life, she may also be expressing the pressure of being the "good girl" and perfect grandchild. The one who doesn't smoke, drink, do drugs and go crazy with "bad boys". But if her mental health improves, she may be able to break free of being the perfect "good girl" and surprise her fans.
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Post by donkey on Jan 5, 2024 23:47:57 GMT -5
But what some still dont seem to realize is that Jackie IS a good girl. She's certainly not a "bad" girl. It's who she is...its her nature. Sure she has wanted to shed the "everybody's granddaughter" image, but she a conservative, "good girl". Face it. But does Jackie want to be a "good girl"? Her mental illness and her extreme introversion force her to shun others and be with her father all the time. Perhaps she would love to be a "bad girl" but that is impossible when she is chained to her father and prevented from interacting with others. When she wrote about being a perfectionist in Get Out of My Life, she may also be expressing the pressure of being the "good girl" and perfect grandchild. The one who doesn't smoke, drink, do drugs and go crazy with "bad boys". But if her mental health improves, she may be able to break free of being the perfect "good girl" and surprise her fans. She might be able to let loose a little bit, but not a lot. It's just not who she is. It's her personality. How did her mom once describe her personality? "Jackie's not "cool". She's a princess...articulate and demur."
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Post by amg1977 on Jan 6, 2024 0:03:29 GMT -5
I would think most real manager would say, Hell yes take it espacilly if you want to rid yourself of the sweet little 10 year old image or as you said "The granddaughter everyone wants not the granddaughter they have".
But what some still dont seem to realize is that Jackie IS a good girl. She's certainly not a "bad" girl. It's who she is...its her nature. Sure she has wanted to shed the "everybody's granddaughter" image, but she a conservative, "good girl". Face it. You are confusing being a good girl and playing a good girl. Anthony Hopkins has played psychotic killers (e.g., Hannibal Lector in Silence of the Lambs) but he is a very classy guy. It's called acting. As far as we can tell, Grace does not sleep around but that won't keep her from playing a character who does. It just would come down to whether an actor feels comfoetable playing such a role and doing a scene that might involve nudity. It is potentially a difficult situation. If the role is a good one, it is tempting even if you are not keen on doing such a scene. How many chances do you get to work with a legendary director in his farewell film packed with Oscar and Golden Globe winners and nominees? It is bound to lead to other roles and a higher profile in the industry.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jan 6, 2024 0:21:01 GMT -5
She might be able to let loose a little bit, but not a lot. It's just not who she is. It's her personality. I agree that it is her personality, but it is her personality with her mental illness. It may not be her personality if she recovers. How did her mom once describe her personality? "Jackie's not "cool". She's a princess...articulate and demur." She may have been that way because that is the way her parents, her label and her fans wanted her to be. It may not be what she wants to be. Which is the point of "Get Out of My Life": I tried, tried to do right in your eyes You were the light of my life ... Finally out of my head I'm trying out self love instead So shut up and get out of my life!
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Post by ChrisR on Jan 6, 2024 0:39:56 GMT -5
He had a shrine erected to Jackie in his living room. He was sending letters and gifts to her house and he might have shown up there as well. He was a completely obsessed OTT. I will never understand that OTT behavior. Quite creepy!
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Post by donkey on Jan 6, 2024 10:21:26 GMT -5
She might be able to let loose a little bit, but not a lot. It's just not who she is. It's her personality. I agree that it is her personality, but it is her personality with her mental illness. It may not be her personality if she recovers. How did her mom once describe her personality? "Jackie's not "cool". She's a princess...articulate and demur." She may have been that way because that is the way her parents, her label and her fans wanted her to be. It may not be what she wants to be. Which is the point of "Get Out of My Life": I tried, tried to do right in your eyes You were the light of my life ... Finally out of my head I'm trying out self love instead So shut up and get out of my life!On the other hand, it may very well just be her personality. If those lyrics are in fact about her mom and not about the personified "perfection" in her head, that may be more about her having to be perfect in everything she does (singing, etc), not so much about how straight laced and conservative her personality is, being articulate and demur by nature.
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Post by Socal Fan on Jan 6, 2024 11:01:22 GMT -5
If those lyrics are in fact about her mom and not about the personified "perfection" in her head I don't think those lyrics are about only her Mom. I think the lyrics are about the cumulative effect of all those around her: her parents, family, friends, label, fans, media. And about the personified "perfection" in her head. But how did the personified "perfection" get into her head in the first place? It came from all those around her. While her songs (and her comments about the song) seem to address a particular individual, I find it hard to believe that one specific person had the power to do this to her. But it could be that one individual started the concept and everybody else went along. Regardless, the perfect angelic granddaughter label has stuck around since AGT to the detriment of her mental health. Is that her actual personality? Maybe, but I have my doubts. But we may never know.
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Post by donkey on Jan 6, 2024 12:02:18 GMT -5
If those lyrics are in fact about her mom and not about the personified "perfection" in her head I don't think those lyrics are about only her Mom. I think the lyrics are about the cumulative effect of all those around her: her parents, family, friends, label, fans, media. And about the personified "perfection" in her head. But how did the personified "perfection" get into her head in the first place? It came from all those around her. While her songs (and her comments about the song) seem to address a particular individual, I find it hard to believe that one specific person had the power to do this to her. But it could be that one individual started the concept and everybody else went along. Regardless, the perfect angelic granddaughter label has stuck around since AGT to the detriment of her mental health. Is that her actual personality? Maybe, but I have my doubts. But we may never know. IMO, we've seen enough of Jackie over enough time to say we have seen her true personality. Does she let loose a little more sometimes when the camera isnt on...oh sure...who wouldn't. But Jackie is who Jackie is. IMO, the drive to be "perfect" that was instilled in her and that she fights to this day doesn't obfuscate the sweet, awkward, relatively conservative personality that is Jackie. It did lead to things like an eating disorder and anxiety though, as she strove to achieve unachievable perfection in her singing and body image. But you are correct in that we can't know fully what Jackie would be like if she had never had a career in singing (and the pressures that came with it), or if she had never had the mental illnesses. I suspect she would have been the same basic person, just without the extra anxiety and eating disorder...more accepting of mistakes she makes and not feeling the need to look a certain way, aka putting a little less pressure on herself.
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Post by 1 Guest on Jan 6, 2024 12:36:46 GMT -5
If those lyrics are in fact about her mom and not about the personified "perfection" in her head I don't think those lyrics are about only her Mom. I think the lyrics are about the cumulative effect of all those around her: her parents, family, friends, label, fans, media. And about the personified "perfection" in her head. But how did the personified "perfection" get into her head in the first place? It came from all those around her. While her songs (and her comments about the song) seem to address a particular individual, I find it hard to believe that one specific person had the power to do this to her. But it could be that one individual started the concept and everybody else went along. Regardless, the perfect angelic granddaughter label has stuck around since AGT to the detriment of her mental health. Is that her actual personality? Maybe, but I have my doubts. But we may never know. I think the main culprit that led to her problems was her fan base. So many were and still are psychos! They idolized that child and that would be frightening. All the child heard was that she was an angel from heaven, voice of an angel, her family was another Cleaver family, Jackie had an ideal, normal childhood, etc., etc., etc. And it goes on to this day. Jackie doesn't drink, she doesn't color her hair, she's very sweet, blah blah blah. They not only had her on a pedestal, they had the whole family on that pedestal. Some people practically had orgasms if Lisa communicated with them, as if she was someone very special. Clearly, she was not and neither was Jackie. She was an average kid who happened to have a good voice, nothing more. Growing up like that would mess with your head. And it certainly did.
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