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Post by donkey on Jan 6, 2024 14:24:54 GMT -5
JE was never a prodigy…btw. this whole prodigy thing is nonsense..but even if you think that there are prodigies… she totally lacked the most important part…work ethic, hard work, ..as 5% are talent…but 95% are dedication, 24/7 hard work …even Mozart would habe been a nobody without the drill of his father from an early age. And one only survives this.. reaches the goals if one has the work ethic… which Jackie Evancho as most people never had. Jackie Evancho had a nice voice for a 10 year old…but far from being a prodigy…and as she never really invested into her voice…it‘s over …she never had a chance. She didn't work hard because she got to where she was with very little work, she admitted that herself. And since she was told that she'd win an untold number of Grammy's and awards, she'd be unbeatable, she believed it. And why wouldn't she? She believed that she was a special as she was told she was. You are making my argument for me, thanks. If we assume you are right, that Jackie was lazy and didn't work very hard, and she still achieved all that she achieved in her early career, that speaks all the more as to how naturally talented she really was. Thanks a lot, I don't even need to engage in a debate with you reinforcing all my points for me. LoL Well done! Oh, and by the way, I think David Foster would disagree about her not working hard...I think he found her work very hard in his experience with her. The whole point about Jackie is that she was pushed to be a perfectionist. That translates into working hard for those who dont understand what type A personalities and being a perfectionist mean. Was Jackie lazy in some aspects...perhaps? But with her talent and early success...what was there to motivate working harder than she did? She put out an enormous body of professional work on an adult level. That's what made her a child prodigy.
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Post by Disappointed on Jan 6, 2024 14:26:43 GMT -5
I found out where Donkey lives! In Donkey Dreamland, of course, which explains a lot.
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Post by richard on Jan 6, 2024 14:31:37 GMT -5
All of the Lisa stuff aside, to say, or even imply that as a child Jackie wasn't massively talented is of course nonsense. She made it to the finals of AGT and was strongly favored to win that. She sang with brilliant vocal talent all over the world. She worked with the likes of David Foster, a person known to recognize great talent and help nurture it. We've all discussed the reasons her career faded over time...limiting genre, unable to translate child career success into adult success, the challenges of successfully changing genres, lack of a strong stage persona as an adult and lacking good original song writing material,etc. But where you always trip up and get it wrong, is when you say Jackie had little to no talent - she just got lucky. Everyone who makes it big gets that lucky break...so bringing it up in Jackie's case is irrelevant and just makes you look like you have an agenda. She was clearly massively talented (and still is). Lose that part of your argument and you will come across as much more credible as much of what you say is in fact true. The fact is that Jackie had an awesome career that spanned a decade...before covid hit and sort of mostly finished off a career that had pretty much run it's course by then anyway...it just sped up the end of it. Now of course, she is trying to reinvent herself and have a second career, aka Jackie 2.0. It's a LONG shot to be sure. By the way, many very talented people never get that "Lucky break" and never make it big...so not making it big isn't a reflection of their talent level. Also, saying if they are truly talented, they will make it big one way or another eventually is also completely untrue. Making it big in "the business" is in fact a lot like winning the lottery...you need talent, but you also need hard work, perseverance, and a lot of luck. I agree with that, unfortunately the Evancho's tried to ride her quickly won popularity out to long. The writing was on the walls long ago that Jackie need to change direction in several areas. For most child artist they do it naturally and grow along with others their age.
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Post by donkey on Jan 6, 2024 14:34:26 GMT -5
I found out where Donkey lives! In Donkey Dreamland, of course, which explains a lot. LoL...thing is, I am able to be relatively objective....I don't have an agenda here, like some do. I acknowledge both the good and the bad about Jackie and her career. Jackie's a mess mentally and has been through it. Her career is literally on the ropes. However, that doesn't negate her talent level as a kid or the atypical aspects of her as a child. Weak responses like, "she's not from heaven" or "she's not a saint" are a waste of time. I certainly don't think any of that. Jackie is a very flawed human being as we all are. That's never the point I'm making...ever.
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Post by richard on Jan 6, 2024 14:36:58 GMT -5
She didn't work hard because she got to where she was with very little work, she admitted that herself. And since she was told that she'd win an untold number of Grammy's and awards, she'd be unbeatable, she believed it. And why wouldn't she? She believed that she was a special as she was told she was. LOL I remember one time Lisa said she didn't let Jackie see her post, not because there may be some negative stuff, but if she read many of the post her head would get so big it would explode.
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Post by 1 Guest on Jan 6, 2024 14:38:06 GMT -5
I didn't expect better from you. OTT to the core. Go type a message to Jackie on one of her social media sites, maybe she'll respond!!! WOW! LoL...you are teetering on pathetic here. If you can't even engage in the most basic of debates/discussions, how are you doing to succeed at anything here? I made some very objective, basic points. Address them or go back to sleep. Your "wow" fell flatter than your debate skills. ROFL Your points are probably objective to you, but not to me. You worship Jackie, that's clear to everyone. I won't reply to you again on this subject, so as always, you can have the LAST WORD.
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Post by donkey on Jan 6, 2024 14:41:39 GMT -5
LoL...you are teetering on pathetic here. If you can't even engage in the most basic of debates/discussions, how are you doing to succeed at anything here? I made some very objective, basic points. Address them or go back to sleep. Your "wow" fell flatter than your debate skills. ROFL Your points are probably objective to you, but not to me. You worship Jackie, that's clear to everyone. I won't reply to you again on this subject, so as always, you can have the LAST WORD. Again, address my points or quit wasting my time. You clearly would rather engage in lazy name calling than engage in any reasonable discourse. And by the way, playing martyr to my "LAST WORD' isn't working for you either. Buc nice try, drama queen.
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Post by Disappointed on Jan 6, 2024 14:48:26 GMT -5
LoL...you are teetering on pathetic here. If you can't even engage in the most basic of debates/discussions, how are you doing to succeed at anything here? I made some very objective, basic points. Address them or go back to sleep. Your "wow" fell flatter than your debate skills. ROFL Your points are probably objective to you, but not to me. You worship Jackie, that's clear to everyone. I won't reply to you again on this subject, so as always, you can have the LAST WORD. Oh no! Professor Donkey is going to give you an F in debate class. This could be a turning point that will affect your entire future.
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Post by Beachguy on Jan 6, 2024 14:57:28 GMT -5
Jackie Evancho did well on agt even with a few mistakes in total but she was big news because of her adult voice/tone , nothing more nothing less . It in many minds of people it was too early in age most likely pushed up for $$$ by parents .
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Post by Beachguy on Jan 6, 2024 15:01:14 GMT -5
She didn't work hard because she got to where she was with very little work, she admitted that herself. And since she was told that she'd win an untold number of Grammy's and awards, she'd be unbeatable, she believed it. And why wouldn't she? She believed that she was a special as she was told she was. LOL I remember one time Lisa said she didn't let Jackie see her post, not because there may be some negative stuff, but if she read many of the post her head would get so big it would explode. They had just purchased 3 cute hats for her after agt .
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Post by johnnyb on Jan 6, 2024 15:01:38 GMT -5
Jackie Evancho did well on agt even with a few mistakes in total but she was big news because of her adult voice/tone , nothing more nothing less . It in many minds of people it was too early in age most likely pushed up for $$$ by parents . Geez professor Beachnutsac tell us something we already don’t know. How much did you give Lisa buying stuff on eBay?
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Post by donkey on Jan 6, 2024 15:06:41 GMT -5
Your points are probably objective to you, but not to me. You worship Jackie, that's clear to everyone. I won't reply to you again on this subject, so as always, you can have the LAST WORD. Oh no! Professor Donkey is going to give you an F in debate class. This could be a turning point that will affect your entire future. LoL...you get detention for that smart comment Disappointed!
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Post by BOGC on Jan 6, 2024 15:50:57 GMT -5
She wasn't sent from heaven and isn't going to be someone who cures cancer, she has a good voice. Let her down from that pedestal already. Cures diseases, no, of course not. But an unusually effective distraction from the constant physical and/or PTSD pain some were in has been multiply and plausibly reported. Not being in such dire straits myself, I can't personally confirm the degree of it. But listening to her certainly makes both physical and other discomforts ignorable for a time. Not saying there aren't others who can do that to some degree, but none I know of that can do it to that degree.
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Post by BOGC on Jan 6, 2024 16:01:54 GMT -5
Jackie Evancho had a nice voice for a 10 year old…but far from being a prodigy…and as she never really invested into her voice…it‘s over …she never had a chance. WRONG. She sought out training or at least coaching beyond the immediate project more than once, not only vocal, but including stagecraft. On one occasion, hostile gossip involving a self-righteous music critic probably contributed to removing an opportunity in that regard. Just for TMS she must have worked very hard. Different styles, choreography, etc with the added mixed advantage/disadvantage* of the costume; even with some very good coaching, it's a lot to digest with just a few days more than the time she had to be there for recording. And all that in already stressful family and other circumstances. She also has quite the instinct for improvising, even if she uses it lightly. That either takes a lot of learning and experience, or it's something you're born with, or with neither (me, mostly), it's very rare that one feels what's possible, and not something one can do at will. * obviously anonymity was an advantage to let her let loose a little, but the headpiece was doubtless cumbersome and interfered with vision.
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Post by amg1977 on Jan 6, 2024 16:11:29 GMT -5
There you [Donkey] go, sounding more that a LITTLE OTT Donkey and Jackie reunited...
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