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Post by msims on Mar 20, 2024 18:10:08 GMT -5
For a long time, I have predicted that Jackie will not succeed in pop I should have placed a bet with you. https://www.instagram.com/p/C4vvFkzRBkH Scrolling back I see Lindsey Stirling and Foster/McPhee have also charted but with I think cover songs during the holidays the past few or so.
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Post by Maggie the Dog on Mar 20, 2024 20:09:33 GMT -5
For a long time, I have predicted that Jackie will not succeed in pop I should have placed a bet with you. https://www.instagram.com/p/C4vvFkzRBkH Scrolling back I see Lindsey Stirling and Foster/McPhee have also charted but with I think cover songs during the holidays the past few or so. Bark, Bark, Bark, Bark! (I knew my mama could do it!)
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Post by Zero the Cat on Mar 20, 2024 21:39:23 GMT -5
I should have placed a bet with you. https://www.instagram.com/p/C4vvFkzRBkH Scrolling back I see Lindsey Stirling and Foster/McPhee have also charted but with I think cover songs during the holidays the past few or so. Bark, Bark, Bark, Bark! (I knew my mama could do it!) Hmmph...mom always liked you best.
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Post by amg1977 on Mar 20, 2024 23:46:15 GMT -5
And therein lies Jackie's problem. Through the years, Jackie and her team have claimed that she has written lots of songs. But only in the last year has she released songs for which she has written both words and music. And then only about 5 songs. Unfortunately for Jackie, she needs to release far far more than 5 songs to get audience feedback find the few good ones. Jackie claims that she has always wanted to write and sing her own songs. If that was really true, she should have been releasing her own songs for her entire career. She didn't need the approval of her label. In the modern era, anybody can release their own videos and post them for free on Youtube and other platforms. Grace V did it right. From early on, she already had her own Youtube channel where she posted covers and originals. When she first appeared on AGT, audiences got the opportunity to go to her Youtube channel and listen to her songs. When Jackie appeared on Masked Singer, she had the perfect opportunity to put originals and covers on her YT channel. Especially the originals. The fact that she didn't have any originals on her YT channel suggests to me that she didn't have any originals to publish. She may have had concepts and plans and a few bits and pieces but I suspect that Jackie never wrote any real songs despite her claims to have done so. To this day, the only original songs on her YT channel are those have have been released by Melody Place. Ed Sheeran started out with a million songs and gigs; where are Jackie's? If Jackie was serious about writing and singer her own songs, they need to be on her YT channel.
While on some points in her past actions I would agree with you, I cannot criticize what she has been doing lately. Even the problems with releasing songs in the past are not as clear cut as it may seem. Since you did mention Grace, I need to point out that Grace had only been writing songs for a year when she appeared on AGT. According to her, she had probably written no more than a dozen songs by then and only a few she considered good enough to perform. Jackie, like Grace, and unlike someone such as Emily Bear, had no formal training in music theory and how to structure a song. Grace's songs at the time were stream of consciousness over some chords. "I Don't Know My Name" was a good song despite it being a hot mess structurally. She was just raw talent and AGT got Autumn Rowe to work with Grace on how to write a song properly. Together, they took some of her other songs and restructured them (which is why Autumn Rowe appears as co-writer on the final form of some songs Grace had originally written before AGT). I bring this up because untrained talent needs to be mentored. Grace got to work with people like Rowe, Greg Wells, and primarily Ido Zmishlany to hone her craft. Jackie's craft was singing CC and no one cared if she was mentored as a songwriter since CC relies on a standard repertoire.
I do agree she should have any good original songs on her YouTube channel but how was that ever going to happen? Grace, at the start, could just pick up her uke and sing since she could play the instrument in a live setting. Jackie may have been competent enough on piano to pick out some melodies but was not yet proficient enough to accompany herself. Grace also learned the ropes of the studio from Zmishlany and could produce her own demo tapes she could lip sync or play in a video. Jackie had no such background to fall upon. So she might have written songs but they may not have been that good and she might not have been confident enough in her playing to video record them. Do you think Sony ever said "Hey, let's get someone to help Jackie learn to write songs!" or sent her recording equipment and a laptop set up with mixing programs like they did with Grace? I'm not criticizing them since they had no reason to be interested in that possibility with Jackie.
I think the one legitimate opportunity prior to the current situation was in the wake of TMS. I had expressed during her run on the show that she should be getting music together (by then she had learned how to use Garage Band) and have something for the curious who like her TMS performance to see. That was a great chance to stake out a new audience and she and her team were clueless about what she should do. Later, of course, we find out she may not have been in a good state of mind and Mike never filled me with confidence as a career planner.
I thought she was planning to give it another shot when she first signed with MP (and she probably thought so too) but it looks like Fred Mollin put a damper on that. Finally with both with Christina and the new MP team, she seems to be getting the advice she needs. Jackie was never the type to put her foot down and I doubt her recent problems helped in that regard. I also think that with Greg Camp she is finally getting the mentor she needed.
The fact that Jackie has made the BB AC charts is encouraging. She is not yet making major streaming numbers but the streams for BME have been steady and, when we combine the two versions, have risen to about 70,000 on Spotify and perhaps 150k+ overall. This is about where I hoped she might be and actually making the AC charts on Billboard should open up other stations to playing her music. We should also keep an eye for streaming playlists to add the song. She's not yet where she needs to be but she's only been doing the right things for a few months.
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Post by BOGC on Mar 21, 2024 0:12:38 GMT -5
I think the one legitimate opportunity prior to the current situation was in the wake of TMS. I had expressed during her run on the show that she should be getting music together (by then she had learned how to use Garage Band) and have something for the curious who like her TMS performance to see. That was a great chance to stake out a new audience and she and her team were clueless about what she should do. Later, of course, we find out she may not have been in a good state of mind and Mike never filled me with confidence as a career planner. One can use a MIDI piano keyboard (and sustain pedal, if desired) with GarageBand. Pretty sure one can edit and clean up (make the note lengths have standard values where they aren't intentionally being varied a bit). It might take a few tries to get a good enough track to require minimal cleanup, but unlike me, I think she plays well enough for that (I have the equipment, but if I can even do one finger at speed, I'm doing well for me). Doesn't have to be piano either, a velocity/pressure sensitive keyboard with sustain pedal could do ok entering data that could be treated as other instruments. Not entirely real sounding (even with great sample libraries, instruments have transitional effects all their own), but pretty darn good with enough practice; and Logic Pro is a not very expensive professional upgrade that can read GarageBand files and uses similar skills but offers the user (the challenge of) a lot more options, more tracks, etc. Given a small recording booth for the vocals or for anything else one was actually recording as audio rather than MIDI data, one could do the whole thing at home, unless one truly needed a bunch of real instruments. But getting from early attempts at something entirely self-made that seem a bit amateurish to something just about indistinguishable from professional takes some combination of training and a lot of keeping at it, building experience. I have the distinct feeling that while she rarely pursues training on its own, she learns like a sponge when training is part of doing, like on TMS (with both vocal and choreography coaches) or with the new MP management and Greg Camp. Some people just relate better to learning like that than to doing a bunch of exercises they don't relate to and dealing with a teacher that maybe uses a training method that doesn't work particularly well for every student. (IMO, for a one-on-one tutor, a good tutor should know a bunch of different ways to present subjects where people tend to struggle with any of the more common ways.)
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Post by Socal Fan on Mar 21, 2024 0:17:58 GMT -5
For a long time, I have predicted that Jackie will not succeed in pop I should have placed a bet with you. Jackie has steadily appeared on Billboard charts over the years but that has not changed the downward trajectory of her career. We'll have to see how long she stays on this chart.
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Post by BOGC on Mar 21, 2024 0:26:30 GMT -5
I should have placed a bet with you. Jackie has steadily appeared on Billboard charts over the years but that has not changed the downward trajectory of her career. We'll have to see how long she stays on this chart. It has the advantage that AC has some radio play, while CC has almost none, give or take NPR and the rare local show that takes interest in that. Even if each play only gets a few people to stream (or ideally tell their friends or share a playlist or whatever people do now), that's something rather than nothing. So this could do more good.
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Post by msims on Mar 21, 2024 1:00:10 GMT -5
Jackie has steadily appeared on Billboard charts over the years but that has not changed the downward trajectory of her career. We'll have to see how long she stays on this chart. It has the advantage that AC has some radio play, while CC has almost none, give or take NPR and the rare local show that takes interest in that. Even if each play only gets a few people to stream (or ideally tell their friends or share a playlist or whatever people do now), that's something rather than nothing. So this could do more good. Stirling is probably the only one I could think of whos placed on both Classical and AC charts, that makes for a crossover. I hope it continues rising. We'll see. As far as Soc's suggestions, I cannot fathom not suggesting anyone get their publishing and copyrights in place before putting any music out and for free? Nah. Get out and play your music live.
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Post by richard on Mar 21, 2024 2:17:34 GMT -5
Jackie has steadily appeared on Billboard charts over the years but that has not changed the downward trajectory of her career. We'll have to see how long she stays on this chart. It has the advantage that AC has some radio play, while CC has almost none, give or take NPR and the rare local show that takes interest in that. Even if each play only gets a few people to stream (or ideally tell their friends or share a playlist or whatever people do now), that's something rather than nothing. So this could do more good. I see no signs of anything changing for Jackie just because someone searches the internet and finds a chart she is on. Jackie still has fewer instagram followers then she had before BME came out and her Spotify monthly listeners hasn't picked up. We now find out Jackie wasn't using her social media until she was 15 and she really did start writing songs until 2 years ago. Jackie is now competing against girls years younger than her that are willing to work their ass off ( Olivia Rodrigo is on a 75 concert world tour and by Friday will release 5 new songs). Jackie has always pretty much sat around waiting for someone to come around an pull her wagon. Those days are gone and I sure don't see her putting nearly as much into her careers as others.
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Post by BOGC on Mar 21, 2024 5:10:26 GMT -5
I sure don't see her putting nearly as much into her careers as others. She's often done things we didn't see until later, and then for darn sure we didn't see all the work it took. I seem to recall you were actually the one who pointed out how close a hotel she was seemingly lazing around at was to the studio where TMS was shot. Just because someone doesn't put on a pretense of being an Energizer bunny, and let you know everything they do, doesn't mean they're goofing off.
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Post by Socal Fan on Mar 21, 2024 7:30:22 GMT -5
As far as Soc's suggestions, I cannot fathom not suggesting anyone get their publishing and copyrights in place before putting any music out and for free? Nah. Perhaps this might help you fathom things better: First, you should know that copyright protection exists from the moment an original work is “fixed” in a tangible medium. For example, fixation occurs when a song is recorded in an audio file or when a musical work is notated in sheet music or a digital file. You don’t need to do anything else for your work to be protected by copyright.
www.copyright.gov/engage/musicians/
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Post by BOGC on Mar 21, 2024 7:50:58 GMT -5
As far as Soc's suggestions, I cannot fathom not suggesting anyone get their publishing and copyrights in place before putting any music out and for free? Nah. Perhaps this might help you fathom things better: First, you should know that copyright protection exists from the moment an original work is “fixed” in a tangible medium. For example, fixation occurs when a song is recorded in an audio file or when a musical work is notated in sheet music or a digital file. You don’t need to do anything else for your work to be protected by copyright.
www.copyright.gov/engage/musicians/So you're saying is nobody else can sell it, and after everyone already has their free copy, you can try to sell it if you want to. What we need to do is teach TANSTAAFL in schools, and execute beggars.
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Post by Socal Fan on Mar 21, 2024 8:21:30 GMT -5
So you're saying is nobody else can sell it, and after everyone already has their free copy, you can try to sell it if you want to. You are so 20th century. In this day and age, nobody buys music, sells music or is worried about free copies of music. They stream it.
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Post by Maggie the Dog on Mar 21, 2024 9:08:52 GMT -5
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Post by Zero the Cat on Mar 21, 2024 10:06:47 GMT -5
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