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Post by BOGC on May 26, 2024 13:31:07 GMT -5
I will wait and see the shows aren’t going on until the end of June, it’s a small venue, you are not having to sell 2500 seats ! I think 🤔 the discount should be more than one day, you want butts in seats , you don’t make a good omelet without breaking some eggs 🥚! Depending on how it goes, someone that can't go might want to call them and ask if they could buy a couple seats and have the venue donate them to a college music program. Music geeks, even college age, would probably appreciate someone that can do a variety of styles rather well. edit: I emailed them, and they can handle that sort of thing.
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Post by donkey on May 26, 2024 13:48:16 GMT -5
Its obviously not a big money maker for her anyway, it's more of a chance to perform and try out her new material in front a live audience. So why not do what she can to fill more seats.
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Post by msims on May 26, 2024 14:45:40 GMT -5
First the good (credit to ghost at the fur ball club, and then the bad): I was watching "MTV's Spankin New" today and I saw Jackie's music video! Fans don't troll like this example: credit to ghost at the fur ball club: From Jackie's IG story: Like you say not many know who Jackie is, I don’t care if she discount it even more, bring in people to hear 👂 her! Maybe some will like what they hear and become fans and buy her music 🎶! colt has been crazy gaslighted and doesn't realize it. Who cares if stupid people who don't like music don't know her. The sale is for anyone that is playing at 54 below (whether Jackie is on the schedule or not and also Live Nation has discounted tickets down to $25 a few times for a number of acts, has nothing to do with ticket sales) and announced around the time donkey posted below (so one should have known this whole time): http://instagram.com/p/C7Mjxqks15g One of Jackie's favorite bands, The Black Keys cancelled their entire US arena tour: http://instagram.com/p/CwFw2mXgGH7
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Post by colt46 on May 26, 2024 14:50:32 GMT -5
I don’t gaslight anything, it is msims that is blind to reality!
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Post by donkey on May 26, 2024 15:12:32 GMT -5
LoL...speaking the truth isn't trolling msims. And this isn't a fan forum...so we can speak facts here, even if they aren't positive for Jackie. Sorry if you can't handle evidence or facts when they aren't always positive, but that sounds more like a personal problem. Msims issue with always trying to spin negative facts for Jackie into positive fantasy is pretty crazy. If it were up to him, she never would have sought professional help for that anorexia. Everyone else: "I think that Jackie might have an eating disorder. Mabye we should send her to therapy?" Msims: "Oh, stop trolling. She's fine. She's just calorie conscious. It's too cold too eat, that's all. AND, she's too busy writing songs to eat. That's understandable. Under msims care, Jackie would have wasted away and perished years ago. LOL
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Post by The Jackinator on May 26, 2024 15:16:06 GMT -5
Yes you have a point if someone has a negative opinion of her, nothing can change what they think 🤔! Almost nobody has a negative opinion of Jackie. To have a negative opinion, one must know her and very few people know her.For Jackie, it makes no difference whether a person (1) has a negative opinion, (2) has a neutral opinion, (3) does not know her, or (4) knew but forgot her. In all cases, that person will not stream her songs, buy her recordings or buy her concert tickets. Of those few people that know her, they also know that she is best known as a classical music singer. If they don't enjoy that type of music, they will not attend a concert. As you mentioned earlier, there is a very small number of people interested in classical music, so her target audience is small to begin with.
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Post by The Jackinator on May 26, 2024 15:25:03 GMT -5
I don’t gaslight anything, it is msims that is blind to reality! True Jackie fans don't spend all their time bashing other fans. The real Jackie fans, especially those with 14 years of experience, spend their time promoting the artist that they they enjoy or at least they spend their time listening to the artist that they really enjoy.
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Post by The Jackinator on May 26, 2024 15:48:14 GMT -5
the problem is that only 5% or less (probably 2%) of people give a d@mn about opera. I think it is much less than 2%. The US population is 333M, 2% would be 6.7M. I can't imagine it is as high as that. " Opera is a form of theatre in which music is a fundamental component and dramatic roles are taken by singers." - from Wikipedia. There is a lot of confusion about whether Jackie sings "opera". She is not an opera singer. She sings in the classical style (particularly classical crossover), which, at times, incorporates songs from operas. The distinction between classical singing and opera singing is not well known, and that, IMO, at times perhaps has hurt classical music singers. Jackie has been mislabeled as an opera singer, which I believe has closed some minds off to being open to hearing her sing. One might be open to hearing a classical music singer, but not an opera singer.
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Post by BOGC on May 26, 2024 15:57:53 GMT -5
I think it is much less than 2%. The US population is 333M, 2% would be 6.7M. I can't imagine it is as high as that. " Opera is a form of theatre in which music is a fundamental component and dramatic roles are taken by singers." - from Wikipedia. There is a lot of confusion about whether Jackie sings "opera". She is not an opera singer. She sings in the classical style (particularly classical crossover), which, at times, incorporates songs from operas. The distinction between classical singing and opera singing is not well known, and that, IMO, at times perhaps has hurt classical music singers. Jackie has been mislabeled as an opera singer, which I believe has closed some minds off to being open to hearing her sing. One might be open to hearing a classical music singer, but not an opera singer. There are also plenty of classical songs (also at least historically sung with techniques that did not require amplification) that had nothing to do with opera. They are perhaps a bit less dramatic, and so in general less well known. A significant percentage may be religious, which may be appreciated by some, antagonize others, and make no difference to many, esp. if the song isn't in their native language anyway. And there are classical songs of both sorts sung in a less extreme technique with amplification. There are those who can sing without amplification without sounding like they're cutting with a knife. But among less experienced listeners, that's the reputation of the full classical technique.
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Post by The Jackinator on May 26, 2024 16:02:11 GMT -5
" Opera is a form of theatre in which music is a fundamental component and dramatic roles are taken by singers." - from Wikipedia. There is a lot of confusion about whether Jackie sings "opera". She is not an opera singer. She sings in the classical style (particularly classical crossover), which, at times, incorporates songs from operas.
The distinction between classical singing and opera singing is not well known, and that, IMO, at times perhaps has hurt classical music singers. Jackie has been mislabeled as an opera singer, which I believe has closed some minds off to being open to hearing her sing. One might be open to hearing a classical music singer, but not an opera singer. There are also plenty of classical songs (also at least historically sung with techniques that did not require amplification) that had nothing to do with opera. They are perhaps a bit less dramatic, and so in general less well known. A significant percentage may be religious, which may be appreciated by some, antagonize others, and make no difference to many, esp. if the song isn't in their native language anyway. And there are classical songs of both sorts sung in a less extreme technique with amplification. There are those who can sing without amplification without sounding like they're cutting with a knife. But among less experienced listeners, that's the reputation of the full classical technique. Yep - that's what I said.
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Post by msims on May 26, 2024 16:40:41 GMT -5
Facts/truth: 159,561 monthly listeners as of 5/26/24, just a month ago: Spotify Monthly listeners Jackie Evancho : 110,260 121,043 of BME 2.0 61,112 of BME 207K plays on youtube 79 reposts of BME on tiktok one of which is her in it with 645.8k hits: https://www.tiktok.com/@jackieevancho/video/7277657023511055659 The following vid has 1.2m hits on tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jackieevancho/video/7277171621050207534 and of course BME 2.0 charted on Billboard's AC chart as high as #22 (credit to ghost): LoL...speaking the truth isn't trolling msims. Such as:
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Post by msims on May 26, 2024 16:49:35 GMT -5
I don’t gaslight anything, it is msims that is blind to reality! True Jackie fans don't spend all their time bashing other fans. Yourself and donkey has used the "OTT" label a number of times. So you have attacked fans. You also said she sings in a classical style. She sings a CC interpretation of opera arias (she basically said this in a recent interview as classical has rigid standards) and eulenspiegel doesn't get, that there is no requirement in CC to train as an opera singer. That is the anthesis, CC is the OPPOSITE of classical.
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Post by The Jackinator on May 26, 2024 16:57:40 GMT -5
True Jackie fans don't spend all their time bashing other fans. Yourself and donkey has used the "OTT" label a number of times. So you have attacked fans. You also said she sings in a classical style. She sings a CC interpretation of opera arias (she basically said this in a recent interview as classical has rigid standards) and eulenspiegel doesn't get, that there is no requirement in CC to train as an opera singer. That is the anthesis, CC is the OPPOSITE of classical. I have called fans OTT, but I haven't claimed to be a true fan as you have. In fact, I am a phony fan. Yes, Jackie sings a classical/classical crossover interpretation of opera arias - that's essentially what I said. CC is NOT the opposite of classical CC. Classical crossover includes classical elements. Your 14 years of experience should have taught you that. "Classical Crossover combines traditional classical elements such as operatic vocals, the incorporation of string instruments or full orchestration and applies it to popular music" - Classical Crossover magazine crossovermusicmagazine.com/whatisclassicalcrossover/
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Post by donkey on May 26, 2024 17:01:21 GMT -5
True Jackie fans don't spend all their time bashing other fans. Yourself and donkey has used the "OTT" label a number of times. So you have attacked fans. You also said she sings in a classical style. She sings a CC interpretation of opera arias (she basically said this in a recent interview as classical has rigid standards) and eulenspiegel doesn't get, that there is no requirement in CC to train as an opera singer. That is the anthesis, CC is the OPPOSITE of classical. Calling an extreme fan "OTT" isn't an attack. It's an accurate description.
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Post by msims on May 26, 2024 17:05:12 GMT -5
Yourself and donkey has used the "OTT" label a number of times. So you have attacked fans. You also said she sings in a classical style. She sings a CC interpretation of opera arias (she basically said this in a recent interview as classical has rigid standards) and eulenspiegel doesn't get, that there is no requirement in CC to train as an opera singer. That is the anthesis, CC is the OPPOSITE of classical. Calling an extreme fan "OTT" isn't an attack. It's an accurate description. Its projection.
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