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Post by msims on May 27, 2024 21:15:37 GMT -5
You wrote two posts when you could have read those reddit threads, tickets were as high as 600 bucks. You never answered the question: what do Black Keys and Lorde have to do with Jackie? BK has 12m and L has 19m monthly listeners on spotify. Ive already gone over them. Its not easy for any artist after or close to a decade to maintain that level of success where they can play arenas and command a high ticket price. There are a number of factors as to why an artist can fill a venue or not and on top of that Jackie has to get the older demo to come out and that may be difficult for other acts too. And alot of people are broke. You have Biden and inflation as well. It also didnt help that 54 below sale was misinterpreted.
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Post by eulenspiegel on May 27, 2024 21:26:46 GMT -5
Im curious what eulenspiegel thinks about this, since he loathes Jackie: check out North West at the Hollywood Bowl. She is the 11 year old daughter of Kim Kardashian and Kanye “Ye” West. He calls it a stunt casting…she should have not been there.. It seems that the casted originally down to 3 girls..same age..2 already on Broadway..but with the Kardashian money nepotism.. vm.tiktok.com/ZGe4QgsEd/She is just not good enough..a spoiled brat.. I just watched a few videos..horrible..she does not hit one note..but she should not be blamed..but Disney, Kim..and Kayne should donate each 100 Milllion to music education in the US…and a public apology to all professional musicians.
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Post by The Jackinator on May 27, 2024 21:28:07 GMT -5
You are just plain insane. This is troll 101: projection, you're a pretty sick guy and you project onto fans and speak for fans that you don't know just like the so called waddlers. To me its OTT to create this character and donkey's to imitate fans. I'm a pretty sick OTT character and project and speak for fans that I don't know like the so-called waddlers. Don't forget that I'm also phony and lack the 13 years of experience and authority that you have.
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Post by richard on May 27, 2024 22:09:40 GMT -5
You must be losing your mind. Might want to put down that wine bottle. When this episode with Len happened, when Jackie sang the national anthem at the Steelers game, it was December 2015. Jackie was four months shy of her 16th birthday. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_EvanchoIn October 2015, Evancho performed at a benefit for the Global Lyme Alliance in New York City.[296] In December, she sang the US national anthem at the Pittsburgh Steelers game against the Indianapolis Colts[297] and released the first single on her own JE Touring label, a cover of Taylor Swift's "Safe & Sound",[298] together with a video. And in spite of Lisa's treatment of Len and Airport Joe, you can bet they will both be at 54 Below in June, probably for both nights (unless one night gets canceled like last time). The penguin waddling lasted only a few months and had stopped when Jackie was still 11 years old. Len and Joe will be attending both nights. Cant bring facts into a gaslighting forum. Lisa was no longer involved in her career as of 2015, so that could have lead to some of the issues at that time. She did not deter Len thankfully. I wonder what Rickky and amg has to say about the case of: alt pop singer Lorde: her initial 5x platinum debut US tour was in theaters, then her platinum follow up US tour was in arenas (half as many shows though), then her follow up tour had even fewer shows and was back in smaller venues. Thats within a span of less than a decade. I don't know about Lorde or that band that canceled their tour. But I do know all of Maddie Ziegler's singing friends are doing great. Olivia Rodrigo, Tate McRae, Sabrina Carpenter, Madison Beer, Dove Cameron. Today Maddie was at Sia's party and Sia hasn't been real active in the last few years. But Sia still gave over 1 million dollars to different people on the Survivors show which she loves to watch. Sia still has 60,529,930 spotify monthly listeners Plus I imagine she gets a lot of writing royalties. The simple fact is Jackie had very poor management from the beginning and should have ditched them as soon as it was legally possible. With the right people behind her she could have over came all the problems she has now. It sure looks like her management wanted to get what the could from Jackie and never really planned for her future. Buying the big house when Jackie was just 2 years into her career was the first indication that her career will not end well.
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Post by Disappointed on May 28, 2024 0:12:00 GMT -5
This is troll 101: projection, you're a pretty sick guy and you project onto fans and speak for fans that you don't know just like the so called waddlers. To me its OTT to create this character and donkey's to imitate fans. I'm a pretty sick OTT character and project and speak for fans that I don't know like the so-called waddlers. Don't forget that I'm also phony and lack the 13 years of experience and authority that you have. You forgot to mention that you are also both Cait and Caz.
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Post by What on Earth? on May 28, 2024 1:42:27 GMT -5
... Ive repeatedly suggested a PBS special that includes all her standards and even newer material with pledge drive breaks in the local markets where her concerts are at. This is not that hugely expensive and it will benefit as she can appeal both to a younger and older demo, that she needs. I have yet to see anyone else give a reasonable suggestion. There have been buttloads of reasonable suggestions given. And I fail to see how you yammering "repeatedly" about a PBS special in any way resembles a reasonable suggestion. My god man, get ahold of yourself!
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Post by colt46 on May 28, 2024 4:21:23 GMT -5
PBS HAS A VERY LIMITED APEAL , ITS NOT GOING TO SAVE JACKIE, SONGS THAT PEOPLE ENJOY IS WHATS GOING TO HELP HER! Also Jackie NEEDS A GOOD PR TEAM THAT WILL INFORM THE PUBLIC ABOUT UPCOMING CONCERTS !
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Post by donkey on May 28, 2024 9:22:55 GMT -5
... Ive repeatedly suggested a PBS special that includes all her standards and even newer material with pledge drive breaks in the local markets where her concerts are at. This is not that hugely expensive and it will benefit as she can appeal both to a younger and older demo, that she needs. I have yet to see anyone else give a reasonable suggestion. There have been buttloads of reasonable suggestions given. And I fail to see how you yammering "repeatedly" about a PBS special in any way resembles a reasonable suggestion. My god man, get ahold of yourself! lol
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Post by Socal Fan on May 28, 2024 12:15:10 GMT -5
Ive repeatedly suggested a PBS special Jackie has already done 3 so I'm sure that Team E and MP have already considered it. The fact that they haven't done it indicates that they can't afford it, or they don't think it is worth the expense, or PBS has not shown sufficient interest.
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Post by donkey on May 28, 2024 12:41:47 GMT -5
Ive repeatedly suggested a PBS special Jackie has already done 3 so I'm sure that Team E and MP have already considered it. The fact that they haven't done it indicates that they can't afford it, or they don't think it is worth the expense, or PBS has not shown sufficient interest. Her PBS specials showcased full album releases. What album would even be showcased if there was a new PBS special? The Debut? COT? Solla? lol I don't think so.
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Post by Socal Fan on May 28, 2024 13:12:09 GMT -5
Her PBS specials showcased full album releases. What album would even be showcased if there was a new PBS special? The Debut? COT? Solla? lol I don't think so. Maybe a "Best Of Jackie Evancho" career retrospective up to and including Solla? Like what she will be doing in 54 Below? Maybe even recorded at 54 Below? But I'm sure they have already thought of it.
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Post by amg1977 on May 28, 2024 14:01:39 GMT -5
I wonder what Rickky and amg has to say about the case of: alt pop singer Lorde: her initial 5x platinum debut US tour was in theaters, then her platinum follow up US tour was in arenas (half as many shows though), then her follow up tour had even fewer shows and was back in smaller venues. Thats within a span of less than a decade.
Lorde is a perfect example of something I pointed out on more than a few occasions. She is an alt-pop artist and, generally speaking, successful alt-pop artists build up loyal followings but are not chart-topping, arena-sellout type artists. There are, however, two types of exceptions.
The first exception are alt-pop artists who have earned a great deal of respect over a long period of time among fans and other musicians. They may even have occasional breaks into the mainstream that adds to their following but not anything like Taylor Swift level of success. However, after many years, they have built up such an appreciation for their work that they become beloved institutions and they straddle the line between alternative and mainstream appeal. Some may even explode into the mainstream. The classic example of that is Bonnie Raitt who chugged along in the underground making albums for her fanbase for nearly 20 years having an occasional chart success before exploding with a 5X platinum album. Others in the same category are Kate Bush and, more recently, Florence Welch (who records under the name Florence and the Machine) and Lana Del Ray. All of them have achieved near legendary status because of their unwillingness to compromise their musical vision for mass appeal. None of them have problems selling tickets even though they may not have chart topping albums at the moment.
Lorde, being so young, was obviously not in that category of exception. The other category of exception to not having mass appeal goes to those alt-pop artists who, for whatever reason, timed their entry just right. They came in at the right time with the right image and the right sound. Call this the "lightning in a bottle" effect where someone who, by all common sense should be some niche artist, just explodes in an unpredictable way. There are three prominent examples in the last few decades: Alanis Morissette, Lorde, and Billie Eilish. All three have made some interesting music, all three achieved popularity that made no sense whatsoever, and two of the three have come back down to earth. In the latter half of the 1990s, Alanis was as big as Billie Eilish is now. She hit with one of the grittiest breakup albums ever (Jagged Little Pill) and the angriest breakup song ever ("You Oughta Know"). That was lightning in a bottle and there is no way she or anyone else could duplicate it. After a few years, she remained popular but nothing near where she was and slowly faded into the alt-pop cocoon. Lorde hit with "Royals" (from the album Pure Heroine) which is still one of the most instantly recognizable songs of the last few decades. Her second album (Melodrama) also did well and, in my opinion, was far better. Her recent album (Solar Power) was a bit of a dud by her standards and it looks like she has faded back into the alt-pop world.
The relative failure (although it would be successful for many other artists) of Solar Power shows the problem facing "lightning in a bottle" artists. Alanis and Lorde capitalized on anger and angst. Once they get a little older (and a lot richer), it's hard to be all that upset. Alanis was a teen star in Canada who was groomed by an older man who then dumped her and the anger in "You Oughta Know" was raw to the bone. Lorde's first album was about her horrible upbringing and her second album was about all the debauchery she got lured into after she made it big. She is a much better frame of mind and Solar Power reflected that. I'm happy for her but her current bliss makes for some dull music. I have pointed out on a few times that I wonder how many albums Billie Eilish can make that will churn out hits automatically. She is still making good music but she is not exactly your normal female pop star: she's not pretty, she's not cheerful, and she doesn't seem to care what is popular at the moment. Her albums are excellent but quite strange and you have to wonder how long she can stay massively popular. Female artists tend to be so cookie cutter that I think it's good to have at least one weird girl at the top.
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Post by amg1977 on May 28, 2024 14:45:15 GMT -5
As msims even admitted,few people can sell albums anymore. With new albums by Taylor Swift and Billie Eilish, it was the first time in eight years that two albums sold over 300,000 copies in the same week. Big artists can still pull it off by releasing multiple "collectors' editions" of their albums because they know their "superfans" will go out and buy each version like good little sheep. That works for Taylor, Ariana, Billie, Adele, and maybe Olivia.
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Post by BOGC on May 28, 2024 14:47:07 GMT -5
He calls it a stunt casting…she should have not been there.. It seems that the casted originally down to 3 girls..same age..2 already on Broadway..but with the Kardashian money nepotism.. vm.tiktok.com/ZGe4QgsEd/She is just not good enough..a spoiled brat.. I just watched a few videos..horrible..she does not hit one note..but she should not be blamed..but Disney, Kim..and Kayne should donate each 100 Milllion to music education in the US…and a public apology to all professional musicians. All the Kardashians should donate their entire fortune to just about anything, and their remaining organs to science; they're a disgrace to everything about humanity except marketing. That's neither here nor there. What you fail to understand is that the expectations of most people are far below yours, even if yours were reasonable, which they probably aren't.
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Post by Socal Fan on May 28, 2024 15:07:21 GMT -5
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